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[Computim]

Guys can we lay off the religion bashing? Asari are people too. LET US HAVE OUR GODDESS PLEASE.

[Last Vizard]

Computim wrote...

Guys can we lay off the religion bashing? Asari are people too. LET US HAVE OUR GODDESS PLEASE.

"Prothean" your people are useless pole dancers lol

[LethesDeep]

MintyCool wrote...
Leethesdeep, I thought you made a solid post. I saw no reason to reply.

Oftentimes on these boards Retake resorts to a number of desperate coping mechanisms when they come across logic they cannot dispute. They usually...

- Demand all users to shun member. (Which is bannable)
- Demand all users to shun topic.
- Demand all users to kill topic.
- Demand all users get mods to ban member.
- Demand all users to stop having a discussing a topic they personally disagree with

And you wonder why the Pro-Enders, the media, and public is against you....


I'm constantly harassed, attacked, or shunned, yet do you know how many Retake members I have reported?

0.

Why?

It's I know it's a passionate subject and I know rhetoric will sometimes get out of hand. It's because of this why I never try to openly ban someone.

Yet you have successfully banned me twice and have continued to harass me constantly.

Then you demand all members to ignore my thoughts.....

And I have found that those "coping mechanisms" are used by every group and every individual, usually when passion is high or they are in denial. In fact many Pro-Enders have come on to this thread and used coping mechanism #2 when given a link to the pre-release developer quotes thread. They ignore it because it sakes their preconceptions.

And, to be honest, you did come in here and started acting very superior and trollish. I remember the "RETAKE HAS FAILED hahahahahahahahahahaha" posts from yesterday. That kind of attitude can and will quickly turn other people against you, especially when you're screaming those statements in the middle of a group of people with opinions that contrdict your own.

An approach that would have made us more forgiving, tolerant, and open for discussion would have been to come in here and post your thoughts in a nice manner (I don't mean to be arrogant here, but..) similar to that "solid post" I made 2 pages ago. Then people would have been more likely to reply make with more civility than what we have shown you (seriously guys, I thought we were better than that).

Golden Rule applies here "do unto others what you would want done unto you" You want nice reasonable discussions, don't make inflammatory comments with no substance. Don't want harrassment, don't harrass us. If you want to write out a nice, polite post discribing your position then feel free, and we will respond in kind.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 08 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[laughing sherpa girl]

Fox544 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Angry Joe, Giantbomb.com or Zero Punctuation.

Good answer.. thank you..

Very welcome. Its hard finding a good critic that isn't sitting on an EA paycheck but typically those 3 are the best. Jeff Gerstmann was fired from Gamespot.com for giving a real review of Kane and Lynch so he good in my book. Yahtzee is good if you want a more "games are art" interpretation/ Angry Joe gives reviews from a life long nerd's perspective.

Well, having dabbled with 3D since the mid nineties, i can certainly appreciate the "art" part of everything ( and applaude the actual visual work that goes into it ), but yeahh, I just cant get behind the  games are artsy fartsy line of thought.. I like Joe, he seems ok.. I guess time will tell.. Yahtzee, ?? Not sure what to make of someone who names themself after a dice game, but woorth checking out. Havent heard Gerstman but anyone with a set that big deserves some attention..

[CitizenSnips28]

Hmm Minty is getting pretty clever in her bridge dwellery. Couple things. You wouldn't be banned if mods didn't agree you were trolling. You have a habit of popping on throwing around insults constantly and now you're turning this around and playing victim. You just admitted you don't respond to solid responses, which indicates you have no desire in actually debating, just stirring people up. And yet you claim to be debating and that anyone saying to ignore you is silencing your opinion.

Modifié par CitizenSnips28, 08 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[Computim]

Last Vizard wrote...

Computim wrote...

Guys can we lay off the religion bashing? Asari are people too. LET US HAVE OUR GODDESS PLEASE.

"Prothean" your people are useless pole dancers lol

You keep saying that.. one of these days you're going to walk into one of the gazillion bars on the citadel and realize there are no Asari dancers anymore..

...or realize that most of the Citadel blew up when that Shepard jerk fired off his child powered raygun... and no one worthwhile is left.. *cough*

[DJBare]

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

[sumillebonus]

[quote]MintyCool wrote...

[quote]LethesDeep wrote...

[quote]MintyCool wrote...

[quote]VonVerrikan wrote...

[/quote]

Leethesdeep, I thought you made a solid post. I saw no reason to reply.

Oftentimes on these boards, Retake resorts to a number of desperate coping mechanisms when they come across logic/insight they cannot dispute. They usually...

- Demand all users to shun member. (Which is bannable)
- Demand all users to shun topic.
- Demand all users to kill topic.
- Demand all users get mods to ban member.
- Demand all users to stop having a discussing a topic they personally disagree with

And you wonder why Pro-Enders, the media, and public is against you....

I'm constantly harassed, attacked, or shunned, yet... do you know how many Retake members I have reported?

0.

Why?

It's I know it's a passionate subject and I know rhetoric will sometimes get out of hand. It's because of this why I never try to openly ban someone.

Yet you have successfully banned me twice and have continued to harass me constantly.

Then you demand all members to ignore my thoughts.....

[/quote]

Minty - you're making statements as if they were fact:

"And you wonder why Pro-Enders, the media, and public is against you...."

This is a no-no when you're arguing people's inability to debate the merits of your argument when your statements are incorrect and infer your opinion, not your rationale.

And no, we don't wonder that - mostly because the media and the public have been relatively supportive. As for Pro-Enders? Well, then, in the heat of an argument, fallacious statements get thrown down like a gauntlet by one side or the other - it does tend to make us diametrically opposed to each another.

Point me to the posts you've made where you demonstrated insight and logic and I'll read them and respond - like I said before, I will be happy to have a civil conversation with you.

<3

[Fox544]

MintyCool wrote...

Leethesdeep, I thought you made a solid post. I saw no reason to reply.

Oftentimes on these boards, Retake resorts to a number of desperate coping mechanisms when they come across logic/insight they cannot dispute. They usually...

- Demand all users to shun member. (Which is bannable)
- Demand all users to shun topic.
- Demand all users to kill topic.
- Demand all users get mods to ban member.
- Demand all users to stop having a discussing a topic they personally disagree with

And you wonder why Pro-Enders, the media, and public is against you....

I'm constantly harassed, attacked, or shunned, yet... do you know how many Retake members I have reported?

0.

Why?

It's cause I know were debating over passionate subjects, and I know rhetoric will sometimes get out of hand. It's because of this why I never try to openly ban someone.

Yet you have successfully banned me twice and have continued to harass me constantly.

Then you demand all members to ignore my thoughts.....

You've been banned twice? Why are you here? Better yet if you know why you've been banned why would you continue?

Shunning people isn't bannable. If no one wants to talk to you because you provoke fights then thats actually a GOOD idea.

The media is with us........not sure where you get your information. Go check Mr Connery's wall of media links. IGN, Gamespot, kotaku and so on are biased outlets and cannot be taken seriously. First rule of research, look for a bias.

You know why you're shunned and harassed? Because you're completely rude, passive aggressive, condescending, arrogant, insulting and immature. If you quit insulting people then people might want to actually have you around.

You're not debating anyone here. You're inciting anger and generally trolling. I repectfully ask that you please move on.

Edit- GAAAAH I gotta quit feeding you.

Modifié par Fox544, 08 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[Major Swift]

DJBare wrote...

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

agreed though that other guy wasn't that bad with the chain yanking in my opinion but thats probably because he was being civil in replies to my civil posts

[Last Vizard]

Computim wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Computim wrote...

Guys can we lay off the religion bashing? Asari are people too. LET US HAVE OUR GODDESS PLEASE.

"Prothean" your people are useless pole dancers lol

You keep saying that.. one of these days you're going to walk into one of the gazillion bars on the citadel and realize there are no Asari dancers anymore..

...or realize that most of the Citadel blew up when that Shepard jerk fired off his child powered raygun... and no one worthwhile is left.. *cough*

ENDINGS SO BAD, man it just makes plot holes... I stood and watched the battle overhead trying to figure if we could win or not just to have the *criticle mission failure* pop up lol

[DJBare]

Please remember this is a privately owned forum and you are an invited guest, posting is a privilege not a right.
Please do not embed or quote images, it might be seen as spam and then we run the risk of getting the thread closed
Please edit your quotes in order to reduce pyramids, this is very helpful to others reading.
Please do not bump the thread, it just takes a few minutes to think up meaningful content, the thread has a strong enough following to maintain it's presence on the forum.
Please do not use the term "troll" in any context, it is against forum rules to refer to anyone as a troll, if you are having problems with a member of these forums, use the report link or PM the moderators, but do it quietly, do not engage in arguments.

Above all, be respectful to each other.


Hold the line and your wallet!

[MintyCool]

Alamandorious wrote...
1. passive-aggressive
2. low self-esteem
3. 'cool' they are with an unoriginal and self-promoting forum name,
4. half-baked attempts to cause anger and dissent that I really just want to see how many
5. feeble, repetitive attempts you'll make at doing so.
6. All the while attempting to pretend that you're trying to have a civil, mature discussion and failing miserably.

7.That, and when it comes to battles of wits, I like it better when my opponents are armed.

DJBare wrote...

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

Why does eveyone think they know my motives? Like for a good 5 pages good discussions were happening then all of you showed up....

Modifié par MintyCool, 08 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Computim]

Fox544 wrote...

Edit- GAAAAH I gotta quit feeding you.

I think this is the part where Shepard would hand you a pistol and tell you to take it out on the range...

I wonder if this is why Bioware gave us a range on the Citadel to use... *strokes chin*

[Fox544]

DJBare wrote...

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

I'm ashamed of myself 

[Fox544]

DJBare wrote...

Please remember this is a privately owned forum and you are an invited guest, posting is a privilege not a right.
Please do not embed or quote images, it might be seen as spam and then we run the risk of getting the thread closed
Please edit your quotes in order to reduce pyramids, this is very helpful to others reading.
Please do not bump the thread, it just takes a few minutes to think up meaningful content, the thread has a strong enough following to maintain it's presence on the forum.
Please do not use the term "troll" in any context, it is against forum rules to refer to anyone as a troll, if you are having problems with a member of these forums, use the report link or PM the moderators, but do it quietly, do not engage in arguments.

Above all, be respectful to each other.


Hold the line and your wallet!

Hey can you post the wall of media links please?

[Major Swift]

Bioware: Go ahead, retake Earth!
Me: But I can't!
lol

[-PG-Skyre]

MintyCool wrote...

Leethesdeep, I thought you made a solid post. I saw no reason to reply.

Oftentimes on these boards, Retake resorts to a number of desperate coping mechanisms when they come across logic/insight they cannot dispute. They usually...

- Demand all users to shun member. (Which is bannable)
- Demand all users to shun topic.
- Demand all users to kill topic.
- Demand all users get mods to ban member.
- Demand all users to stop having a discussing a topic they personally disagree with

And you wonder why Pro-Enders, the media, and public is against you....

I'm constantly harassed, attacked, or shunned, yet... do you know how many Retake members I have reported?

0.

Why?

It's cause I know were debating over passionate subjects, and I know rhetoric will sometimes get out of hand. It's because of this why I never try to openly ban someone.

Yet you have successfully banned me twice and have continued to harass me constantly.

Then you demand all members to ignore my thoughts.....

Please, just stop.
You aren't coming up with any "logic" to dispute anything.

Logic - the branch of philosophy concerned with analysing the patterns of reasoning by which a conclusion is properly drawn from a set of  premises, without reference to meaning or context.

You're stating your opinions on the matter, that is all. Furthermore, you are doing it as disrespectful and condescending as possible (thats how it comes across).

Logic in relation to Retake - We, as consumers, were promised a product. Said product did not meet the promises made about it. Therefor, we have the right to express our views and either get our money back, or get the product we were promised. Therefor, it is only logical that those who do want to get the product they were promised would be here sharing their opinion on it.

While some here are only focused on Retake, many others spend time doing other things. Giving to charity, fighting to make changes in the world and so on. Just because we are fighting EA/BioWare to get the endings we were promised, does not mean anything else suffers or that we aren't doing them. It just means we are doing more.

Also, our actions against EA/BioWare are not just about the ending of ME3. Retake has grown to despise the lowering quality of products sold by larger corporations. The prices for things keeps going up, while the quality keeps going down.
You are welcome to disagree, but please, do not come here saying you offer "logic" when you offer no arguments to support your claims, nor reasoning all together.

Furthermore, commenting on the maturity of others is somewhat hypocritical from someone with your own posting history. I would be more than welcome to link some of your previous threads and posts as examples if you'd like.

So, in conclusion, please refrain from making remarks on the maturity of others, and falsly using the term "logic" to express your feelings and opinions on a matter (as we are intelligent enough to know that no logic is involved). Be polite, responsible and understanding.

Modifié par -PG-Skyre, 08 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[sumillebonus]

Fox544 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

I'm ashamed of myself 

Feeling a little bit of that too right now.   I'm gonna forage for pastries until things quiet down a bit.

[18 Brains]

Tried to catch up with all of the posts that I've missed, but I've fallen behind around a hundred or so.

One thing did catch my eye, though: about twenty-five pages back or so, it was posted that the Retake movement and Hold the Line were two seperate entities. While I was originally of the belief that they were one and the same (same goal, same grievances, etc.), it got me to thinking; how many people are only members of one or the other? I'm a member of both groups, but how many are not? There could be considerably more people who want to see the endings changed than we'd previously thought, and would give even more voice to the movement as a whole.

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Edit- GAAAAH I gotta quit feeding you.

I think this is the part where Shepard would hand you a pistol and tell you to take it out on the range...

I wonder if this is why Bioware gave us a range on the Citadel to use... *strokes chin*

you know, i think id rather see talk of palpatine and vader dancing it up on the death star instead of whats been happening lately/tonight *smashes head off desk, doesn't believe he just said that*

Modifié par Major Swift, 08 avril 2012 - 05:31 .

[DJBare]

MintyCool wrote...

DJBare wrote...
Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

Why does eveyone think they know my motives? Like for a good 5 pages good discussions were happening then all of you showed up....

My dear lady, I don't know you or your motives, my words were in fact to get those reacting negatively to you to think.

[Fox544]

18 Brains wrote...

Tried to catch up with all of the posts that I've missed, but I've fallen behind around a hundred or so.

One thing did catch my eye, though: about twenty-five pages back or so, it was posted that the Retake movement and Hold the Line were two seperate entities. While I was originally of the belief that they were one and the same (same goal, same grievances, etc.), it got me to thinking; how many people are only members of one or the other? I'm a member of both groups, but how many are not? There could be considerably more people who want to see the endings changed than we'd previously thought, and would give even more voice to the movement as a whole.

This may interest you. http://social.biowar...ndex/11154234/1

Modifié par Fox544, 08 avril 2012 - 05:31 .

[Bionic Weapon]

DJBare wrote...

Got to give my fair due to Minty, and one or two others, they know which chains to yank.

And its the nature of people to react even if every fiber of their being tells them not too. I should know I am guitly of getting tangled in those chains, but sometimes not giving them what they want makes them look foolish.


Its kind of like an experience I had working  in  retail (  when I was so much younger:() I got a hostile/ unreasonable customer asking for something that my store didn't carry nor heard of. This person kept going on and on about how incompetent I was and how I should know whats in my store.

Just to humor her I went and looked and made sure via my boss we didn't have it. We didn't of course so i told her that, but also said we could se who else had this product.  She was hostile as ever and it was clear she wanted a to argue, and I knew it. So I kept it calm and told her I'd get her someone who could help her better than I could, and that made her even more mad.

I guess it was also the fact that more customers were starting to stare at her crazy behavior and that I wasn't engaing her and it made her look foolish.


Oh how I miss those days of abuse lol. If you want even more hilarity talk to my sis who worked for AAA. They do some things that are so wrong.

Bottom line let him speak his mind,  just don't engae him if you feel it's gonna go south. That leads to unecessary  things.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 08 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[RaenImrahl]

I am issuing bans to a few people who insist on taking shots at each other or at groups of other users (in some cases, rather artfully) instead of discussing the game.

Bottom line: get this thread back on topic or it will be retired. Thanks.