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[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

"It didn't work out too well" is putting it nicely 

Wait. Talking about Citadel, weren't they going to use a Citadel mission that was supposed to be in a previous ME (I think ME2) but they never got to it? Was it the mission with Udina or something else? 

I meant at the end.. the one after you went up the beam, not just the "Okay you're in the citadel, conveniently just down the hall from the master control panel!"  I dunno if they had planned something else.

It felt like you should have had to figure out where the heck to go, fight through the citadel (with your war assets on there you'd worked the whole game for coming into play) and then gone on to actually do all the end stuff there lol.

Anywho I'm off to bed.  Hold the line folks, remember the buckingham palace guards... you can ignore them and they'll go away.

Modifié par Computim, 08 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[CitizenSnips28]

UniversalCypher wrote...

-UC

Couple things. First the creation of big budget games is mutual. Do you think there would be a mass effect two and three if one had tanked? Yeah probably not. Would there be a first mass effect without the reasonable expectation of profits? Again no. When you get into the big budget stage you literally NEED customers or you don't get to make your product/art.

Secondly have you not been around? We ALREADY got something. They're prioritizing ending dlc. Alot of people are unsure if it actually means something but at the very least Bioware was forced to focus on the ending, which they admit. So I'm not sure what you mean we accomplished nothing.

Lastly while you're right, you can't please everybody, you should at least please most people with your product. The fact that Retake is fairly unprecedented would indicate there's serious merit to our grievance. You just can't end a character and choice driven trilogy on a vague cliffhanger with no closure and an ending that's nearly identical save color and a few very small variations.

Trust me, Bioware has better numbers than we do on how this ending controversy is effecting them. The fact that they're acting indicates we aren't some small minority. And no, Bioware didn't need to read our minds. The fact that no other game to my knowledge has generated this kind of a crapstorm would indicate that this isn't a random thing. There are good elements to include in any traditional story. You could say that traditional stories are boring, but the reason they are traditional story elements is they work. If you want to get away from those traditional elements, you should probably try checking out smaller Indie games, not the gaming equivalent of big budget summer blockbusters.

[Major Swift]

Lestatman wrote...

As I said I was rather tipsy last nite but watching him play the London mission felt like watching someone play MP zone. But I have to thank Bioware as watching him panic at the cannon me made laugh so much I head tears of laughter.

lol it felt like MP when i went through and did it on insanity, good thing for being a vanguard though, charge+nova=win

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

I meant at the end.. the one after you went up the beam, not just the "Okay you're in the citadel, conveniently just down the hall from the master control panel!"  I dunno if they had planned something else.

It felt like you should have had to figure out where the heck to go, fight through the citadel (with your war assets on there you'd worked the whole game for coming into play) and then gone on to actually do all the end stuff there lol.

Anywho I'm off to bed.  Hold the line folks, remember the buckingham palace guards... you can ignore them and they'll go away.

Oh, I know. I just remembered they mentioned a mission that had never made into ME2 and could be in ME3.
But yeah, I thought we had to fight when we went up to the Citadel...I actually looked around to see if there would be any husks coming, but nope, nothing attacked Shepard

And good night~! 

[XxI EpiK IxX]

Why do people say hold the line? as in for the ending still? I thought it was announced that they would not change the ending

[A Comedian]

Just a practical thing, so all you guys waiting for the Extended Cut know,

there's no way they're getting any of the major voice actors to come back for it. The extra cinematics will cost enough. So, just for a range of what regained satisfaction you should expect.

[Valorefane Dragonwinter]

Have you guys seen this yet?

http://social.biowar...ndex/11154234/1

[Laterali]

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

UniversalCypher wrote...

-UC

Couple things. First the creation of big budget games is mutual. Do you think there would be a mass effect two and three if one had tanked? Yeah probably not. Would there be a first mass effect without the reasonable expectation of profits? Again no. When you get into the big budget stage you literally NEED customers or you don't get to make your product/art.

Secondly have you not been around? We ALREADY got something. They're prioritizing ending dlc. Alot of people are unsure if it actually means something but at the very least Bioware was forced to focus on the ending, which they admit. So I'm not sure what you mean we accomplished nothing.

Lastly while you're right, you can't please everybody, you should at least please most people with your product. The fact that Retake is fairly unprecedented would indicate there's serious merit to our grievance. You just can't end a character and choice driven trilogy on a vague cliffhanger with no closure and an ending that's nearly identical save color and a few very small variations.

Trust me, Bioware has better numbers than we do on how this ending controversy is effecting them. The fact that they're acting indicates we aren't some small minority. And no, Bioware didn't need to read our minds. The fact that no other game to my knowledge has generated this kind of a crapstorm would indicate that this isn't a random thing. There are good elements to include in any traditional story. You could say that traditional stories are boring, but the reason they are traditional story elements is they work. If you want to get away from those traditional elements, you should probably try checking out smaller Indie games, not the gaming equivalent of big budget summer blockbusters.

I think the most telling sign that this movement has had an effect is the price drop on almost all of the online retailers selling ME3. I've never seen a AAA title drop in price so fast. Once a company sees that a movement is messing with it's bottom line, they have no choice but to react. Unfortunately, more and more companies are waiting until it gets to that, instead of actually listening to consumers/fans and dealing with it before it reaches a breaking point.

CD Projeckt has an amazing relationship with it's customers. EA has a decidedly bad relationship with its customers, and it takes costing them money for them to acknowledge us.

[-PG-Skyre]

Zanza86, would you please avoid making any comments about either side of the argument please. We don't want any more issues.

That being said, you do make an extremely valid point on the kinnect issue. From what I understand, very few people like it. It does have a "cool" factor, but otherwise seems pointless. All the work put into that could have easily been put into better things...like...the story (or endings).

To be honest, I never did think about the kinnect. Although, I'm not a console gamer, so no surprise. Still, good point there.

[DJBare]

XxI EpiK IxX wrote...

Why do people say hold the line? as in for the ending still? I thought it was announced that they would not change the ending

While I cannot speak for others, I will maintain "hold the line" and my cash until the extended DLC is released, then i can make an informed decision on whether to continue supporting Bioware.

Modifié par DJBare, 08 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[Major Swift]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

That being said, you do make an extremely valid point on the kinnect issue. From what I understand, very few people like it. It does have a "cool" factor, but otherwise seems pointless. All the work put into that could have easily been put into better things...like...the story (or endings).

To be honest, I never did think about the kinnect. Although, I'm not a console gamer, so no surprise. Still, good point there.

i have a kinect, i used it occasionally, but honestly i forgot about it most of the time lol

[CitizenSnips28]

Zanza86 wrote...

If you lot stayed in this thread instead of spilling over and taking over the next 50 pages of the forums with the same "Hold the line" rubbish so people could actually discuss the game you would find you would get less grief. I find the whole psychology of this self-entitlement attitude everyone has adopted to be simply mind boggling. I blame the public school system.

I'm a capitalist, Mr. Zanza. There's NOTHING entitled about customers voicing dissatisfaction with a product. Its called feedback. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the Retake concept. We are not literally threatening Bioware with anything beyond taking our business elsewhere, which is every customers right. You seem to think our demands have legal teeth or were holding a literal gun to their heads or something. No its literally nothing more than assertive feedback. Its giving Bioware a chance to make things right by us or we take our money elsewhere. Its ultimately up to Bioware to decide what to do with that feedback, and most everyone in Retake knows that.

And if it takes over everything else that's probably because the majority of players hold our view and its an inescapable issue. If people who liked the ending were in the strong majority there wouldn't be anti ending posts everywhere. The forums would be just like the forums on every other game. You really should try to relax. There's alot of passive aggression and outward aggression in your posts.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

OK so let me get this straight, we had some of those under bridge dwellers come in to the thread and start stuff. and us people started to get annoyed and fought with them? because lets face it, we are all sick of those stupid under-bridge dwellers? Well can't say I am surprised, but I am happy that the thread didn't get closed I would have been very upset

Now. Thanks to Major Swift for giving me the link to part 5 of the PAX video I will watch it later.

[-PG-Skyre]

A Comedian wrote...

Just a practical thing, so all you guys waiting for the Extended Cut know,

there's no way they're getting any of the major voice actors to come back for it. The extra cinematics will cost enough. So, just for a range of what regained satisfaction you should expect.

Actually, they did make a remark at some stage about the re-hiring of voice actors. Something about it all being planned out now. As is, however, bro-Shep has said that he was already informed that he would be going back for more voice acting anyways...sooo...bit too early to say they wont bring the voice actors back in for the new ending content.

[-PG-Skyre]

Major Swift wrote...
i have a kinect, i used it occasionally, but honestly i forgot about it most of the time lol

Kinda my point. It doesn't seem worth it...rofl

Modifié par -PG-Skyre, 08 avril 2012 - 07:16 .

[Annaleah]

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Have you guys seen this yet?

http://social.biowar...ndex/11154234/1

Wait... Joker had a sister? What? That totally flew over my head....

[Major Swift]

xHezz90 wrote...

OK so let me get this straight, we had some of those under bridge dwellers come in to the thread and start stuff. and us people started to get annoyed and fought with them? because lets face it, we are all sick of those stupid under-bridge dwellers? Well can't say I am surprised, but I am happy that the thread didn't get closed I would have been very upset

Now. Thanks to Major Swift for giving me the link to part 5 of the PAX video I will watch it later.

yep, basically sums up all of the anarchy lol and no problem i watched it and there was no Q/A cuts out right before it does have them saying tali is a racist in it though and some other things<_<

[Simocrates]

Exactly, too much time/resources were put into a feature that only one system could even use. From the reviews I have read and the videos I have seen the Kinnect system is fine if you are playing the game on normal but it is really lacking when it comes to difficulty settings any higher. To me that just seems like an unnecessary use of their time and money. I do recall reading a review when they first announced the Kinnect that the game was effectively complete but they decided to delay the launch back in November so that they could implement it.

[DJBare]

xHezz90 wrote...
OK so let me get this straight, we had some of those under bridge dwellers come in to the thread and start stuff. and ub people started to get annoyed and fought with them? because lets face it, we are all sick of those stupid under-bridge dwellers? Well can't say I am surprised, but I am happy that the thread didn't get closed I would have been very upset

And the warning from the moderator was directed at all involved, including those who consider themselves in the right, lets keep that in mind.

[-PG-Skyre]

DJBare wrote...

XxI EpiK IxX wrote...

Why do people say hold the line? as in for the ending still? I thought it was announced that they would not change the ending

While I cannot speak for others, I will maintain "hold the line" and my cash until the extended DLC is released, then i can make an informed decision on whether to continue supporting Bioware.

Plus, the "hold the line" was Kirahe's line from ME1. It was used in the "never give up" fashion. And due to the current issue, it was only proper that it be used here. As for why we STILL use it, wells, it is not over yet. In order to make sure BioWare does a good job, we need to still keep going.
Giving in now and dropping our motto (and getting quiet) works against us, as BW would take it as a sign that they can get away with being lazy again.

[Major Swift]

Annaleah wrote...

Valorefane Dragonwinter wrote...

Have you guys seen this yet?

http://social.biowar...ndex/11154234/1

Wait... Joker had a sister? What? That totally flew over my head....

yea, if you listen to the whole story that PTSD asari there in the hospital on the citadel tells she basically says she killed his sister so she wasn't caught by reaper forces etc because his sister was hurt and making noise, i didn't connect the dots until my second playthrough

[Major Swift]

Zanza86 wrote...

Exactly, too much time/resources were put into a feature that only one system could even use. From the reviews I have read and the videos I have seen the Kinnect system is fine if you are playing the game on normal but it is really lacking when it comes to difficulty settings any higher. To me that just seems like an unnecessary use of their time and money. I do recall reading a review when they first announced the Kinnect that the game was effectively complete but they decided to delay the launch back in November so that they could implement it.

totally agree with you there, i hardly used my kinect except for dialogue when playing on insanity

[-PG-Skyre]

Zanza86 wrote...

Exactly, too much time/resources were put into a feature that only one system could even use. From the reviews I have read and the videos I have seen the Kinnect system is fine if you are playing the game on normal but it is really lacking when it comes to difficulty settings any higher. To me that just seems like an unnecessary use of their time and money. I do recall reading a review when they first announced the Kinnect that the game was effectively complete but they decided to delay the launch back in November so that they could implement it.

Seems like they spent more time, effort and resources on sales pitches and useless gimmics. Should have focused on the story instead and made sure it was finished and met the promises they were making about it.

Lets face it, if they didn't include the kinect, no one would have really had an issue.

Questionable choices over and over again. Kinda makes me wonder what they are even thinking.

Still, thanks for pointing that out. Something else to add to the "what the hell..." list of things BioWare decided on.

[Simocrates]

Don't think I am going to get my cheque in the mail this month ;(

[-PG-Skyre]

Yo Zanza86, not trying to troll or anything, just after your honest opinion. What do you think the purpose of the current ending is? And do you think there is any meaning behind it?

My dislike for the ending generally makes any observations rather redundant and biased. So would like someone elses opinion.