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[firstarioch]

Feraiin wrote...
Drew left to work on SWTOR, which with him being an accomplished Star Wars writer first and the ME universe loremaster second is understandable.

Remember, Hudson and Walters were leads for huge parts of the series and apart from those last 5 minutes, everything was amazing, so don't judge too harshly.

Sure the ending was screwed up and it overshadows a big part of the goodness that came before it. Just try to remember they also were in charge of the good stuff together with a good team.

I understand  your point ,i agree.
But saying that its like a showjumping compettion in sports.
you can pass all hurdless even the most difficult ones ...You are on time and heading comfortably in to first place as you are leading ,you can do nothing wrong and than on the last hurdle you stumble ..you loose points and time and you loose.
All that goos work you have done is undone by last mistake...
so no matter what good whjat happened earlier it doesnt count as your finish is poor.

And that what ME is know now for sadly that is why its impoertant to fix it and do a second attempt like in landing a place.

[Major Swift]

Alamandorious wrote...

Alright folks, I'd like to apologize for my final post last night. It was something I felt needed to be done, although I anticipated mod intervention I still feel the need to apologize for risking the thread.

So I am very much sorry.

The purpose behind the post, however, was two fold:

1. A certain individual was starting to really aggravate people on the thread, and it was getting ugly. I knew that it wouldn't have been long before there would be nothing but flames, and the thread would get locked down...not everyone was in danger of causing this, of course, but some where becoming agitated.

2. I gambled that if I made it personal enough to warrant attention, but didn't take it -too- far, that those in power would likely step in and put a stop to it...I was willing to face a personal ban to keep this thread and all its constructiveness on track and continuing. Of course, it was a risky manuver; if I'd gone too far, it probably would have resulted in the closing of the thread...something I didn't consider until this morning.

I do apologize again; if I'd been more awake I probably could have come up with something better, and less risky to the thread...you all didn't deserve to be part of the gamble.


Now, with that out of the way.

In response to earlier questions about which reviewers we should trust, I personally think Angry Joe is one of the better ones out there. He tends to get things right-on, and can do so in an amusing way.

His discussions of the ME3 ending and the Extended Cut were insightful and truthful...and the best part of it is, he's purely supported by gamers, not by a big gaming company.

He was with us since virtually day one, and gave a voice to a lot of the glaring flaws in the final moments of the game.

risky, but you are forgiven :innocent: mod was actually quite polite when he intervened, could have easily have just locked it there and then, got things back on track, anyway have to agree there with Angry Joe, usually is spot on and amusing

Modifié par Major Swift, 08 avril 2012 - 02:31 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

from everything ive seen its just rumor and people looking for someone to blame, theres also that thing where Weekes supposedly said they did solo it but both him and Priestly have both said it wasn't Weekes who wrote it

Ah I see, well I tend to pretty much ignore rumours. Mainly because I remember all the rumours I heard when I was in High School and all of them turned out to be untrue. Like the one where I was pregnant for example lol.

Rumours are a bad thing to listen to, so I shall stick my original thought that no matter who wrote it, it was bad writing. Now they need to admit it or they won't have a lot of customers left.

[firstarioch]

isig wrote...
Heheh.
I see what you did there. I don't think Hudson on his own should've
been a problem, since his previous work wasn't anywhere near bad (quite
the contrary!).  It's becase he and Walters locked themselves in a room
and kept the other writers out of the entire process (apparently) when
they wrote the ending, that we (and Bioware) are in this mess.

Though
I still don't understang who in their right mind could've okayed that
ending as it was, unless they were literally a week away from publishing
the game, and had to go with that or the game coudn't be finished in
time..

And Drew's original idea about the Reapers had to do with dark energy, that's why there is all that foreshadowing in ME2..

Dark Energy you say....that makes sense...As the whole ME 1is very technical ...
Who decided to go synthetics vs organics?
That was never a prevalent theme for me?...I always thought that civilisasiton far more advanced who created repaers will emerge out of it after ME1 .....
I donr know if you ever seen the series ONCE UPON SPACE.its a french -japanese collaboration ..there was a similar there...as in ME ...
I thought that Synthethics vs organics is a odd combination and conflict here...
Or maybe its me...

[MeldarthX]

LethesDeep wrote...

hey guys, crazy conspiracy time: Since BioWare confirmed that MP DLC they denied earlier, maybe the Extended Cut is actually "The Truth". Thoughts?

hehe Already discussed this one - I've been saying and so has Chmarr from when it was announced; it was true - I've stated my theory many times

the truth is true least what my gutt tells me - but won't be called that most likely

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

from everything ive seen its just rumor and people looking for someone to blame, theres also that thing where Weekes supposedly said they did solo it but both him and Priestly have both said it wasn't Weekes who wrote it

Ah I see, well I tend to pretty much ignore rumours. Mainly because I remember all the rumours I heard when I was in High School and all of them turned out to be untrue. Like the one where I was pregnant for example lol.

Rumours are a bad thing to listen to, so I shall stick my original thought that no matter who wrote it, it was bad writing. Now they need to admit it or they won't have a lot of customers left.

WTF is wrong with people and that kind of stuff?! I mean seriously hwo did they think you were pregnant?
As for the writing, yeah I agree, I don't care who wrote it, they wrote crap no matter what...
Speaking of writing characters and what not, anyone else notice in all the movies that have the modern Amercain Marine in them, there is always someone named Lorenzo... or is that just me?

[toffeetrooper]

MeldarthX wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

hey guys, crazy conspiracy time: Since BioWare confirmed that MP DLC they denied earlier, maybe the Extended Cut is actually "The Truth". Thoughts?

hehe Already discussed this one - I've been saying and so has Chmarr from when it was announced; it was true - I've stated my theory many times

the truth is true least what my gutt tells me - but won't be called that most likely

i hope its not, you would still have to kill the geth and edi to go down that road

[Major Swift]

toffeetrooper wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

hey guys, crazy conspiracy time: Since BioWare confirmed that MP DLC they denied earlier, maybe the Extended Cut is actually "The Truth". Thoughts?

hehe Already discussed this one - I've been saying and so has Chmarr from when it was announced; it was true - I've stated my theory many times

the truth is true least what my gutt tells me - but won't be called that most likely

i hope its not, you would still have to kill the geth and edi to go down that road

way i saw it is the MP part was true, everything else about it was made up

[VivaLaWhatsername]

firstarioch wrote...

Dark Energy you say....that makes sense...As the whole ME 1is very technical ...
Who decided to go synthetics vs organics?
That was never a prevalent theme for me?...I always thought that civilisasiton far more advanced who created repaers will emerge out of it after ME1 .....
I donr know if you ever seen the series ONCE UPON SPACE.its a french -japanese collaboration ..there was a similar there...as in ME ...
I thought that Synthethics vs organics is a odd combination and conflict here...
Or maybe its me...

The synthetics vs organics thing was stupid, in ME1 they mentioned it in a sidequest and of course they mentioned the quarians vs geth. In ME2 it was basically only the quarians vs geth that was mentioned.

So by making it all about synthetics vs organics they totally changed what was happening before.

[Feraiin]

firstarioch wrote...

I thought that Synthethics vs organics is a odd combination and conflict here...
Or maybe its me...

It's not just you. 

Synthetics vs. Organics was never the main-conflict of ME. 

With the game heavily based on choice, the whole AI debate was always about free will for synthetics. Heck the whole series was about free will vs. predetermination. Should the geth be their own people or are they mere servants to the quarians? Should an AI (EDI) be regarded as a person or a piece of equipment?

That's why the reapers were always insisting "you can not break the cycle" and Shep was always like "the hell I can!"

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

WTF is wrong with people and that kind of stuff?! I mean seriously hwo did they think you were pregnant?
As for the writing, yeah I agree, I don't care who wrote it, they wrote crap no matter what...
Speaking of writing characters and what not, anyone else notice in all the movies that have the modern Amercain Marine in them, there is always someone named Lorenzo... or is that just me?

Lol yeah I know right? thats why I just don't pay attention to rumours, and I have no clue..I guess it was because I was off school a lot because I had stomach problems  boggles the mind lol.

But yeah thats what I was trying to say no matter who wrote it, it was crap.

[firstarioch]

From all this info from you and mine own thoughts about the game I think somewhere along the line Someone who had it all planned etc left or his influence lessened as he was busy with other projects and game concepts were changed...For worse it would seem ...

[toffeetrooper]

off topic but does anyone know if you can put your own avertar on and how?

[g_bassi13]

toffeetrooper wrote...

off topic but does anyone know if you can put your own avertar on and how?

social.bioware.com/78720/blog/2142/

That worked for me.

edit: Why can't I hold all these lines?

Modifié par g_bassi13, 08 avril 2012 - 02:53 .

[isig]

firstarioch wrote...
Dark Energy you say....that makes sense...As the whole ME 1is very technical ...
Who decided to go synthetics vs organics?
That was never a prevalent theme for me?...I always thought that civilisasiton far more advanced who created repaers will emerge out of it after ME1 .....
I donr know if you ever seen the series ONCE UPON SPACE.its a french -japanese collaboration ..there was a similar there...as in ME ...
I thought that Synthethics vs organics is a odd combination and conflict here...
Or maybe its me...

Yup, they changed it (which kind of coincided with the lead changing, as well..)

Now, as to why they changed it, whether they thought the dark energy wasn't a satisfactory explanation for the reapers, or they wanted to change the focus of the game entirely to organics vs synthetic (which they did).. who knows. The crowd yelling "peeeace" during the panel at PAX should tell them how the players really feel about it, though. No, we don't want to be genocidal maniacs, go figure..


I've never seen Once upon space (note to self: must google).. in fact I read that wrong and saw "Once upon a time" instead (which is this ABC series with Sbarge in it.. nevermind that )

Modifié par isig, 08 avril 2012 - 02:57 .

[toffeetrooper]

g_bassi13 wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

off topic but does anyone know if you can put your own avertar on and how?

social.bioware.com/78720/blog/2142/

That worked for me.

edit: Why can't I hold all these lines?

 not got pc version, thanks anyway

[g_bassi13]

isig wrote...
No, we don't want to be genocidal maniacs, go figure..

I commited double genocide. On the Rachni in ME1 (Apparently they're not dead though, because cloning, lol) , and on the Geth in ME3. I still want a better ending though. Maybe if they had it so that Shepard has to sacrifice herself because of those decisions it'd be okay (as a way for the game to maybe tell me it's not okay to be a genocidal maniac). That's not the case though.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 08 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[g_bassi13]

toffeetrooper wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

off topic but does anyone know if you can put your own avertar on and how?

social.bioware.com/78720/blog/2142/

That worked for me.

edit: Why can't I hold all these lines?

 not got pc version, thanks anyway

Then try:

social.bioware.com/902113/blog/4817/

It's a little more complicated, and I can't vouch for it as I've never tried it, but it's worth a shot.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 08 avril 2012 - 03:08 .

[toffeetrooper]

@g_bassi13 will have a go later cheers

[Cainne Chapel]

In the beginning I didn't really know which way ME would end itself.

I mean after ME1 the galaxy was almost woefully under equipped to deal with 1 reaper and even then they only won due to puppet magic interference. I KNEW that going into the end there would have to be some sort of super ultra special weapon as if ONE reaper caused that much damage, after ME2 knowing there were thousands... well... ouch.

I personally figured there was some kind of easily explained reason the reapers do what they do. It MAY have been dark energy, but I felt there wasn't really enough build up for that outside a few comments here there, but I thought it may have had to do with the Reapers themselves fighting they're OWN war of attrition against "Super Space Baddie #2" and thus harvested organic races to further their own agenda.

The whole synthetic vs organic thing does ring a bit hollow with me as, while they geth were the first prevalent enemy and the reapers do create Synth-organic beings, I never viewed synthetics as a whole class of baddie with an us vs them mentality, especially not after conversing with legion in ME2.

Although I can see how it grew from that when you look at the enemies you face as a whole, they're mainly machine-monsters. So its almost like the Reapers enact they're own self fulfilling prophecy...

In either case, I never really KNEW how the series was going to end, but it WAS a let down they went the way they did... I was hoping for a more impactful reveal rather than a quick boom and done.

[firstarioch]

Reply to ISIG:
ONCE UPON MAN, was first it was European an Japan collaboariom. Showing human history. Itcwas for kids and young adults but was amazing.music in the opening was toccata di fuge by Johan Sebastian Bach.
The was ONCE UPON LIFE and ONCE UPON SPACE Which was darker in nature and lost educational elements. All were animations.
IN ONCE UPON SPACE humans as well as other races unite agaisnt commonn foe synthetics. Massive AI iscin charge of the synrhethics and wants wipe organic life out.
in the end the humans maange tocontact the makers of thus AI beings so advance that they dontveven exist in physical form.they destroy their creation and say that one day sentient races maybe will join them I that higher level of conscousnes .
JM STRACZYNSKI BORROWED heavy from it for BABYLON 5 which was epic for me.
by that cartoon was made in the 80s .
Look it up it's very Good.
I think its available in all languages except english I think but I'm not sure
. I watched in French with polish lektor talkling over it.

[g_bassi13]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I mean after ME1 the galaxy was almost woefully under equipped to deal with 1 reaper and even then they only won due to puppet magic interference. I KNEW that going into the end there would have to be some sort of super ultra special weapon as if ONE reaper caused that much damage, after ME2 knowing there were thousands... well... ouch.

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button" - Casey Hudson

So... yeah, lol.

Also, although it took a lot to take out Sovereign in ME1, the reapers in Mass Effect 3 almost seemed comically easy to kill. I lost count, how many did Shepard take out? They aren't exactly invincible.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I mean after ME1 the galaxy was almost woefully under equipped to deal with 1 reaper and even then they only won due to puppet magic interference. I KNEW that going into the end there would have to be some sort of super ultra special weapon as if ONE reaper caused that much damage, after ME2 knowing there were thousands... well... ouch.

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button" - Casey Hudson

So... yeah, lol.

Also, although it took a lot to take out Sovereign in ME1, the reapers in Mass Effect 3 almost seemed comically easy to kill. I lost count, how many did Shepard take out? They aren't exactly invincible.

Hmmm, well I am sure he only really killed a load of the "baby" reapers, I don't think he personaly took out any soveriegn class ones.


And it was not a reaper off button, it was a reaper three way selector switch!

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 08 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[Major Swift]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I mean after ME1 the galaxy was almost woefully under equipped to deal with 1 reaper and even then they only won due to puppet magic interference. I KNEW that going into the end there would have to be some sort of super ultra special weapon as if ONE reaper caused that much damage, after ME2 knowing there were thousands... well... ouch.

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button" - Casey Hudson

So... yeah, lol.

Also, although it took a lot to take out Sovereign in ME1, the reapers in Mass Effect 3 almost seemed comically easy to kill. I lost count, how many did Shepard take out? They aren't exactly invincible.

3-4 if you count the one the Thresher Maw took down

[BlackDevil06]

xHezz90 wrote...

I looked your philosopher up, and you're right "You can't always get what you want" but it turns out that "If you try sometime, you get what you need"

*cough* sorry I couldn't resist

 Maybe we can make this sometime happen.