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TamiBx

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Computim wrote...

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 I went away for an hour and came back and I thought for a second I was on the wrong thread.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about...can't follow it...:unsure:


Talking about certain guns and their effects on the ending scenes.. at the moment we're discussing big, bigger, and holy crap that's a gun?! class weapons.


...what? :huh:
I...I'm not even going to attempt to understand any of this
*does not understand guns*

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So rather quiet i guess :), Anything from pax? dragon age 3, some booth talks, i dunno, ive been afk alot to my regret :), although i liked some time off, now i feel like i missed way too much :)


No ME3 news, DA3 will apparently have lots of meaningful choices and won't reuse the same areas over and over.


Huh, maybe they are learning. I bet spend a lot of time on the end. XD

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Major Swift wrote...

funny thing is ive been here and i still cant follow it lol :lol: exception being Mr. Bond's post there with that link, its so much win!


Ok, that makes me feel better lol
Thought I was the only one who was completely lost...

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Mr Chr15topher

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Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 I went away for an hour and came back and I thought for a second I was on the wrong thread.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about...can't follow it...:unsure:


Talking about certain guns and their effects on the ending scenes.. at the moment we're discussing big, bigger, and holy crap that's a gun?! class weapons.


 

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What really bothers me is seeing how much damage a single, hand-held Cain can do, and remembering in some Codex that they said the Alliance had space-ship sized Cain cannons, yet we never see one used properly. Or were those the Dreadnoughts main weapon? 


That was obviously the Asari Consort Alliance Budget Appropriations Scandal effects.  Turned out those 'spaceship sized Cain Cannons' were never installed properly due to that ;P

Ach so! Lol, damn those Asaris! :devil:

Though the codex felt that those cannons were already in operation during the Skylian war or something along those lines...

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I am confused at every ones agitation over the ending of ME3. Yes we were able to control the outcome of the first 2 games to a certain extent, but not entirely. It is stated in the beginning of the game that there is no way of knowing what could happen if the Crucible is used. The reward of no longer fearing a reaper invasion was enough to decide to use the Crucible, even though using it could have just as easily wiped out all life in the galaxy as it could have stopped the reapers. I am disappointed that even if Shepard lives he can not see his friends again, but he stopped the reapers which is the whole purpose of the game. You all seem to expect to be able to have what ever ending you want regardless of the designers and creators ideas. Why should they change their IP just to appease you? These games are all the product of their creativity and design process. Why should you that sit around and play the game deride them for their ideas and decisions. It only makes any that whine about the ending seem like self-righteous brats that feel entitled to something for nothing. Yet regardless of how great the rest of the game was and how great the other 2 were, all you can do is whine and complain about the last 5 min of a game. I feel sorry for the gaming industry if this is the type of customer they will have to continue pandering too. If game designers and publishers are constantly fearing offending one group or another they will try to hard to produce a game that appeases everyone and pleases no one.

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CaptnObvious wrote...

Computim wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

What really bothers me is seeing how much damage a single, hand-held Cain can do, and remembering in some Codex that they said the Alliance had space-ship sized Cain cannons, yet we never see one used properly. Or were those the Dreadnoughts main weapon? 


That was obviously the Asari Consort Alliance Budget Appropriations Scandal effects.  Turned out those 'spaceship sized Cain Cannons' were never installed properly due to that ;P

Ach so! Lol, damn those Asaris! :devil:

Though the codex felt that those cannons were already in operation during the Skylian war or something along those lines...


S'what happens when the admiral in charge of the project fudges the numbers while he runs off to the Citadel to 'hang' with Sha'ira.

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TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 I went away for an hour and came back and I thought for a second I was on the wrong thread.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about...can't follow it...:unsure:


Talking about certain guns and their effects on the ending scenes.. at the moment we're discussing big, bigger, and holy crap that's a gun?! class weapons.


...what? :huh:
I...I'm not even going to attempt to understand any of this
*does not understand guns*


Lol sorry, my bad i guess... Shouldn't have brought up those Cains...

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Lol sorry, my bad i guess... Shouldn't have brought up those Cains...



Well you know how much trouble those cains are :lol:

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Mr Chr15topher

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CaptnObvious wrote...

Lol sorry, my bad i guess... Shouldn't have brought up those Cains...


That reminds me of the candy canes my mum got me for last Xmas. I just remembered that it was a box of 9 canes with 3 of each colour, and they were actually either red, green or blue striped. It's everywhere! :o

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I am confused at every ones agitation over the ending of ME3. Yes we were able to control the outcome of the first 2 games to a certain extent, but not entirely. It is stated in the beginning of the game that there is no way of knowing what could happen if the Crucible is used. The reward of no longer fearing a reaper invasion was enough to decide to use the Crucible, even though using it could have just as easily wiped out all life in the galaxy as it could have stopped the reapers. I am disappointed that even if Shepard lives he can not see his friends again, but he stopped the reapers which is the whole purpose of the game. You all seem to expect to be able to have what ever ending you want regardless of the designers and creators ideas. Why should they change their IP just to appease you? These games are all the product of their creativity and design process. Why should you that sit around and play the game deride them for their ideas and decisions. It only makes any that whine about the ending seem like self-righteous brats that feel entitled to something for nothing. Yet regardless of how great the rest of the game was and how great the other 2 were, all you can do is whine and complain about the last 5 min of a game. I feel sorry for the gaming industry if this is the type of customer they will have to continue pandering too. If game designers and publishers are constantly fearing offending one group or another they will try to hard to produce a game that appeases everyone and pleases no one.



Thank you for your opinion, and thank you for presenting it in a non-insulting way.  Since you enjoy the aesthetic of the ending, I'll give you a non-aesthetic reason:

However;  if you look at the pre-release messages from the Bioware team, this ending does not mesh with what was promised.  This, in turn, means the product fails to live up to its advertised values.  If game companies can make promises about a product and then are allowed to fail to meet them, then that is a disservice to their customers, and all consumers in general.

There are laws against this sort of thing for a reason.

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The smaller Reapers are known as Destroyers, and you take out three of them during ME3 (One on Tuchanka, one on Rhanoc and one in London).  The larger Reapers are called 'Sovereign-class' Reapers, after Sovereign.

I'm guessing that the Destroyers were 'invented' since it is clear that the full-sized Reapers would be WAY too powerful for Shepard to hurt - sort of using harsh language. Sovereign, for example, was quite capable of sitting their while the entire third fleet shot at it from point blank range.

Of course the power of the destroyers isn't uniform. The one on Rhanoc was capable of withstanding the fire of most of the Quarian fleet several times...although I guess you could argue that the effectiveness of the Quarian fire was reduced as they were firing through the atmosphere.

And I'm slightly worried that I know such things, considering I tend not to read the codex and only managed to play through ME3 once....

I have zero problem with the Reapers being powerful and unbeatable by conventional means(unless it's a fleet against one reaper), throughout the series that's a given, but introducing a reaper that can be taken down with a single shot from the cain shatters that unbeatable view we have of them, it was good in the aspect of morale building, "see they can be beaten!"; but it was too easy, my Shepard picked up the cain while still being attacked by husks of all types and with a pull of the trigger it was all over, Rannoch did it the best way in my opinion, you had to survive until targeting lock was achieved, and more than once.

Modifié par DJBare, 08 avril 2012 - 11:42 .


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Nergath wrote...

I am confused at every ones agitation over the ending of ME3. Yes we were able to control the outcome of the first 2 games to a certain extent, but not entirely. It is stated in the beginning of the game that there is no way of knowing what could happen if the Crucible is used. The reward of no longer fearing a reaper invasion was enough to decide to use the Crucible, even though using it could have just as easily wiped out all life in the galaxy as it could have stopped the reapers. I am disappointed that even if Shepard lives he can not see his friends again, but he stopped the reapers which is the whole purpose of the game. You all seem to expect to be able to have what ever ending you want regardless of the designers and creators ideas. Why should they change their IP just to appease you? These games are all the product of their creativity and design process. Why should you that sit around and play the game deride them for their ideas and decisions. It only makes any that whine about the ending seem like self-righteous brats that feel entitled to something for nothing. Yet regardless of how great the rest of the game was and how great the other 2 were, all you can do is whine and complain about the last 5 min of a game. I feel sorry for the gaming industry if this is the type of customer they will have to continue pandering too. If game designers and publishers are constantly fearing offending one group or another they will try to hard to produce a game that appeases everyone and pleases no one.


The game cost 80 dollars. That's not nothing.

I'm not entitled to a well written game, but Bioware isn't entitled to my money either. They can keep their artistic integrity and I'll keep my cash.

Bioware may be entitled to their "artistic vision", but they aren't entitled to have everyone praise them. They released a narratively dissonant ending with a deus ex machina, which is a hallmark of bad writing. Fans are entitled to deride bad writing, especially when they paid for it.

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-PG-Skyre

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Morning all,
What do you all have to report?

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a bit of a parody from a good film


shep:
 What the heck is that? 
garrus: Heh heh. This is a shotgun, shepard. 
shep It's a %^&$ing anti-aircraft gun, garrus. 
garrus Well I wanna kill some reapers, don't I? 
shep You'll kill me . Never mind reapers.

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toffeetrooper wrote...

a bit of a parody from a good film


shep:
 What the heck is that? 
garrus: Heh heh. This is a shotgun, shepard. 
shep It's a %^&$ing anti-aircraft gun, garrus. 
garrus Well I wanna kill some reapers, don't I? 
shep You'll kill me . Never mind reapers.


lol

did you know if you translate my name into english it means "a s s hole"
oh garrus, you and your gun's Image IPB

Modifié par chmarr, 08 avril 2012 - 11:56 .


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Nergath wrote...

I am confused at every ones agitation over the ending of ME3. Yes we were able to control the outcome of the first 2 games to a certain extent, but not entirely. It is stated in the beginning of the game that there is no way of knowing what could happen if the Crucible is used. The reward of no longer fearing a reaper invasion was enough to decide to use the Crucible, even though using it could have just as easily wiped out all life in the galaxy as it could have stopped the reapers. I am disappointed that even if Shepard lives he can not see his friends again, but he stopped the reapers which is the whole purpose of the game. You all seem to expect to be able to have what ever ending you want regardless of the designers and creators ideas. Why should they change their IP just to appease you? These games are all the product of their creativity and design process. Why should you that sit around and play the game deride them for their ideas and decisions. It only makes any that whine about the ending seem like self-righteous brats that feel entitled to something for nothing. Yet regardless of how great the rest of the game was and how great the other 2 were, all you can do is whine and complain about the last 5 min of a game. I feel sorry for the gaming industry if this is the type of customer they will have to continue pandering too. If game designers and publishers are constantly fearing offending one group or another they will try to hard to produce a game that appeases everyone and pleases no one.


That's a bit of generalisation you do there. Personally, from the PR and marketing stuff, i was awaiting a relatively different game. I just don't think everything is as perfect as you do. I don't like the ending, but i find the gameplay and storytelling kind of so-so. I loved my first playthrough, but when i did it again the fight just were so repetitive that i hardly wanted to keep going. Also, how they'll break the action to show one of the old characters die was, i thought, kind of cheap, since they pretty much use the same formula for every encounters. Again, it's just my opinion, not that of everyone on this thread.

Also, i find it odd that you think those who didn't like that endings are self-righteous brats if they use their good old article 19 of the Human's right charts : freedom of speech. 

I will admit i've seen some people act immaturily about it, but that's a small minority of the well thinking people of this community, who are mostly just asking BioWare peacefully for some DLCs.

In the end though, i see no harm done in game designers actually working hard to do a good game, instead of rehashed lazyness that sells nowadays.

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-PG-Skyre wrote...

Morning all,
What do you all have to report?


Bioware's trumpeting the Exteneded Cut still. More people are waying in saying it's not enoupgh. Forbes has come out saying that both the free Resurgance DLC and the Extended Cut may not be enough damage control, probably speaking from a business stand point but valid in my opninon. And Bioware's PAX East showing wasn't the bloodbath I was expecting it to be, but since none of the story writers were there, yelling at a bunch of level designers would have been stupid.

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schwarzaj wrote...

Bioware's trumpeting the Exteneded Cut still. More people are waying in saying it's not enoupgh. Forbes has come out saying that both the free Resurgance DLC and the Extended Cut may not be enough damage control, probably speaking from a business stand point but valid in my opninon. And Bioware's PAX East showing wasn't the bloodbath I was expecting it to be, but since none of the story writers were there, yelling at a bunch of level designers would have been stupid.


Hmm....so the usual then.

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 We stopped talking about guns and suddenly everyone went somewhere else? :huh:

Man, this is sad....

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... I just blew up Megaton (a village in Fallout 3)... just needed to relieve some stress...

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Jere85 wrote...

... I just blew up Megaton (a village in Fallout 3)... just needed to relieve some stress...


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Mr Chr15topher

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I'm still here. Just waiting for someone to start off the next topic. I'm currently out of ideas.

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Jere85 wrote...

... I just blew up Megaton (a village in Fallout 3)... just needed to relieve some stress...


You have inspired me to go on a killing spree in Skyrim now :D