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[gorgoth]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Let me put it this way, why would I take the word of a being that's been trying to turn me into dna goo or a husk for three games?

Oh by all means no. i'm not at all challenging or arguing with you, but rather finding supporting circumstancial reasons for him lieing. The kid was scared ****less.. If i were a billion year old all but immortal kid, i'd be scared ****less too ( and lie through my teeth )..

If he was a billion year old kid it would mean he was either a god or a synthetic. So from that, if he was a god with unlimited power I find it hard to believe that this would be his solution. It would be much easier to snap his fingers and make it so synthetic life is impossible to create. On the other hand if he was a synthetic then the undeniable fact that organics create synthetics that wipe out organics would mean his only goal is to kill us.

[Computim]

CaptnObvious wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

In code, you pretty much just have to change one of the 0's to a 1 or vice versa and the entire meaning of the code is changed. Change too many and you scramble the code so much it's irrepairable.

Thats good and all, i just don't see how an EMP would know which codes to change. Last time i checked, EMP type beams weren't hackers...

An EMP doesn't actually reprogram stuff.  ElectroMagnetic Pulses as EMPs are just create a current on circuits.  This usually results in catastrophic failure.. a circuit path that's made for 1v suddenly getting 8v blows a capacitor and the circuit is no longer functional and usually results in the device simply shutting off. (think nuclear emp blast)

Where this comes in with Artificial Intelligence is more a philosophical debate as much an engineering one.  At which point does a sentient AI become sentient?  How much of a circuit path must be present for a behaviour...etc

Don't forget the Geth have networking capabilities..  You get a well formed wifi signal packet (totally more simplistic than the Mass Effect reality but it works for example) and you could easily rewrite something, or delete something... same as writing firmware to your wifi router over the wifi... or talking on these forums over wifi (as I'm doing now).

[TamiBx]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Well, the whole point was to BEAT the reapers at any cost. Bioware just took the "at any cost" a bit far with the relays.
Technically, any of the 3 "options" would beat the reapers (if indoc theory isnt true).

I just thought that controlling them was taking TIM's side; becoming synthetic was siding with Saren, and since I fought against both of them...why would I pick the same thing they would have picked? And in my opnion, not being organic is not winning at all. Not being human was never an option (plus Shepard never asked the rest of the galaxy if they wanted to become robots)

[CaptnObvious]

Bubi7 wrote...

but... but .....but Liara can't cheat on femshep. That would be weird. After shep saving her life a few times, and the other way around... *mumbling something incomprehensible*
Liara as LI is still my fav setting, especially with such a mother-in-law (Claudia Black is awesome)

Some people have odd ways to deal with the loss of a lover, so she might help herself around to forget the pain... 

She wouldnt do that eh? She did run away, so...

(I dont have anything against Liara, all the LIs do the same...)

[RussianOrc]

Bubi7 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...
 Jessica just answered me back about why Geth die if they aren't Reaper tech
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/189165315916177411

The boy said shepard  would die if he chose destroy, but yet he lives, wtf??
If he is being completely honest then something is very wrong.

well I never thought he was honest at all..
If you encounter someone random on the streets, and he will tell you to choose either the red or blue pill...
no wait, that was matrix

....if some stranger you never met before tells you, you can instantly solve all problems with pressing buttons on some self-written smartphone-app, would you believe it?
I wouldn't

Thing is, I had no real choice, and it felt like someone pulled the plug right before (or after) the final boss encounter

I felt more like i was indocrinated (no reference to the IT)  because this god child/harbinger/whatever gave me 3 options and shepard simply accept it like "yeah who am i to discuss with god".
I've tryed to kill the boy or walk to the other direction but i couldn't.This was so frustrating, i was like "NO SHEPARD DON'T DO THIS!!" but i had no choice, and then i saw the normandy on that planet with my squadmates aparently not giving a damn about what happend to shepard and the rest of the universe.
This is the definition of cannon.

[gorgoth]

Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

[Mr Chr15topher]

RussianOrc wrote...
(snip)
This is the definition of cannon.

More like a cannon ball to the gut.

[Computim]

gorgoth wrote...


Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

They blow up regardless of the ending.  Weekes has stated that they just exploded, not went catastrophic supernova

[DJBare]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...
Oh by all means no. i'm not at all challenging or arguing with you, but rather finding supporting circumstancial reasons for him lieing. The kid was scared ****less.. If i were a billion year old all but immortal kid, i'd be scared ****less too ( and lie through my teeth )..

Well, perhaps nervous his plans were about to be disrupted, he had good reason to lie, it does not matter whether or not we agree with his lie, people lie all the time to get themselves out of a corner, call what you like, bluff, little white lie, or outright deception, it's basically all the same.

[Mr Chr15topher]

gorgoth wrote...


Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

I remember him saying something like the amount of energy required to do any of these will be so imense that the relays will be destroyed. I could be wrong but that's what I thought he said.

[Major Swift]

gorgoth wrote...


Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

way i remember it was after he explained the options he said the mass relays would be destroyed from the energy released by either option

[-PG-Skyre]

I never did think of the concept that maybe compu-dweeb may have been lying to Shepard to save his own ass...Suddenly, I feel unintelligent for not thinking of that lol.

[sumo390]

Well I spent a little bit of time away from following the news but once I decided to check I remembered spacechild and the bad feelings came back, ugh

[CaptnObvious]

Computim wrote...

An EMP doesn't actually reprogram stuff.  ElectroMagnetic Pulses as EMPs are just create a current on circuits.  This usually results in catastrophic failure.. a circuit path that's made for 1v suddenly getting 8v blows a capacitor and the circuit is no longer functional and usually results in the device simply shutting off. (think nuclear emp blast)

Where this comes in with Artificial Intelligence is more a philosophical debate as much an engineering one.  At which point does a sentient AI become sentient?  How much of a circuit path must be present for a behaviour...etc

Don't forget the Geth have networking capabilities..  You get a well formed wifi signal packet (totally more simplistic than the Mass Effect reality but it works for example) and you could easily rewrite something, or delete something... same as writing firmware to your wifi router over the wifi... or talking on these forums over wifi (as I'm doing now).

Are you saying that to me? Because that's kind of exactly what i wrote about the EMPs... So that lesson is kind of unneeded.

I understand re writing codes on their wifi, but how would magic radiation do that... Unless it is programmed to, above all, seek a very specific line of code...

But anyways i didnt want to start much of a debate, that same magic radiation EMP also fuses DNAs with synthetics soooo...

[laughing sherpa girl]

DJBare wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...
Or, underestimated shepards  tenaciousness for living. Persnally, i thik the kid was in a state of shoc that shepard even made it that far, and was off his rocker for the most part of that conversation..

It has no reason to be in shock, it has every reason to prevent Shepard from destroying it's plans and it's minions, it needs to remembered that Reapers are part organic as well, it's survival, and a lie is one way to attempt survival, evolution incorporated lying as a means of survival, now that may sound strange given that lying can lead to many bad things, but that's only because it's corrupted, take splitting the atom as an example, a great means of supplying energy demands, but it got subverted.

precisely, but lieing comes from fear and fear is an emotion, which in my experience needs no rationale or reason.. Of all the various levels of fear there are, that which is generated by a traumatic event is the one most associated with the client  lieing for fear of self preservation or  a continuance of existance as it has been experienced..
Sorry, I work in mental health so i'm always looking these things over with a microscope..

[gorgoth]

Computim wrote...

gorgoth wrote...


Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

They blow up regardless of the ending.  Weekes has stated that they just exploded, not went catastrophic supernova

But them blowing up was never mentioned in the
dialog. He said Sheppard would die in both the control and destroy options, but
said nothing about the mass relays going boom in either description.

Modifié par gorgoth, 09 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

gorgoth wrote...

Computim wrote...

gorgoth wrote...


Now this may just be my memory, but when I heard the explanations of the options from that abomination he only mentioned the mass relays blowing up for the synthesis ending. This would imply that for control and destroy options the mass relays do not blow up. Does anyone else remember this being true?

They blow up regardless of the ending.  Weekes has stated that they just exploded, not went catastrophic supernova

But them blowing up was never mentioned in the
dialog. He said Sheppard would die in both the control and destroy options, but
said nothing about the mass relays going boom in either description.

He summed up each of the options then told shep the very bad news that whichever he chose would blow up the relays regardless.

[Bubi7]

CaptnObvious wrote...
Some people have odd ways to deal with the loss of a lover, so she might help herself around to forget the pain... 
She wouldnt do that eh? She did run away, so...
(I dont have anything against Liara, all the LIs do the same...)

Which takes us to the all beloved ending with . Vicious circle I tell ya

[Computim]

CaptnObvious wrote...

Computim wrote...

An EMP doesn't actually reprogram stuff.  ElectroMagnetic Pulses as EMPs are just create a current on circuits.  This usually results in catastrophic failure.. a circuit path that's made for 1v suddenly getting 8v blows a capacitor and the circuit is no longer functional and usually results in the device simply shutting off. (think nuclear emp blast)

Where this comes in with Artificial Intelligence is more a philosophical debate as much an engineering one.  At which point does a sentient AI become sentient?  How much of a circuit path must be present for a behaviour...etc

Don't forget the Geth have networking capabilities..  You get a well formed wifi signal packet (totally more simplistic than the Mass Effect reality but it works for example) and you could easily rewrite something, or delete something... same as writing firmware to your wifi router over the wifi... or talking on these forums over wifi (as I'm doing now).

Are you saying that to me? Because that's kind of exactly what i wrote about the EMPs... So that lesson is kind of unneeded.

I understand re writing codes on their wifi, but how would magic radiation do that... Unless it is programmed to, above all, seek a very specific line of code...

But anyways i didnt want to start much of a debate, that same magic radiation EMP also fuses DNAs with synthetics soooo...

Ahh sorry!  I only saw the quote pyramid about the 1s and 0s and just was clarifying not having realized the rest.  The whole point of the catalyst was to focus the crucible so it didn't go halo rings and only destroyed what was needed.. so I could see both the point of Citadel Kid and why the magic radiation would wifi firmware update based off of that.. IE: Shepard integrates with Citadel Kid, Citadel Kid then issues new programming instructions on local wifi network: SSID: MSVISTA -  Reapers explode... .. wait did I just say the Citadel Kid makes sense?.... man that indoctrination stuff is stronger than I thought.

[Debi-Tage]

I seriously have a feeling that they are going to go with something like a dream, hallucination or indoctrination thing. But they are going to downplay it so people aren't pissed off. Yes I know, they said they are not "changing the ending" but if done the right way they don't have to...and they just add to it. BW has always played fast and loose with the details. Remember MP? Anyways, I am holding out hope again!

[-PG-Skyre]

"Yes really, thats how the greatest Sci-Fi story of the decade ended. Cmdr Sheperd rode a magic space elevator, met a glow in the dark toddler who gave him a choice of 3 colored wishes all of which ruined the galaxy with space magic and killed trillions of people. All of this happened in 14 lines of dialogue which he didn't question he just bent over and took it. Sheperd means Hero" - Hexley UK (BSN user)

[laughing sherpa girl]

Bubi7 wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...
Some people have odd ways to deal with the loss of a lover, so she might help herself around to forget the pain... 
She wouldnt do that eh? She did run away, so...
(I dont have anything against Liara, all the LIs do the same...)

Which takes us to the all beloved ending with . Vicious circle I tell ya

Isnt that  kinda of wehat we all experienced though?? I mean, ME3 was a game, but in a sense, a great many of us had developed a great deal of affection towards it, and then, its not only gone, but took the wife and kids with it.. In my book, Shep was lucky. He got to die. But the rest of us just sat there in shock ( my favorite word today it seems ) wondering wtf happened.. One minute everythings all cozy and wonderful and the next  the significant other has left the house, leaving only pain and unexplained bitterness..

[CaptnObvious]

Bubi7 wrote...
Which takes us to the all beloved ending with . Vicious circle I tell ya

It just makes all the LIs' endings quite grimm... 

Garrus/Tali to duke it out together till slow death. Liara being a lonely asari with the death of her lover on her mind...

Mhm well i guess the humans LI have it best, for only they have hope.

[TamiBx]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

gorgoth wrote...

But them blowing up was never mentioned in the
dialog. He said Sheppard would die in both the control and destroy options, but
said nothing about the mass relays going boom in either description.

He summed up each of the options then told shep the very bad news that whichever he chose would blow up the relays regardless.

Actually, he only says Shepard dies if he or she picks control and synthesis (he doesn't mention Shepard dying in destroy; he hints that Shep has synthetics in his/her system, but doesn't say that he or she will die)
And he also made suuure to let Shepard know that the "worst" choice was destroy, which, of course, it's the only option where the Reapers are actually defeated and die.

So when I saw the creepy kid, I could swear he was trying to trick the player...but apparently now 

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Debi-Tage wrote...

I seriously have a feeling that they are going to go with something like a dream, hallucination or indoctrination thing. But they are going to downplay it so people aren't pissed off. Yes I know, they said they are not "changing the ending" but if done the right way they don't have to...and they just add to it. BW has always played fast and loose with the details. Remember MP? Anyways, I am holding out hope again!

Well, they can always make changes and not toot their horns about it too much so everyone wins, they save some face and we get the opposite of the thread title.