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[Mythandariel]

Laterali wrote...

ME3- Any scene/storyline where one of the former ME2 cast members died. I don't get too emotional usually, but when Mordin started singing and Koylet started that prayer, I was getting a little teary eyed. Even when Legion asked "does this unit have a soul" got me going.

Did you get the impression that Legion was the origional Geth who asked that question? It felt like it. Like everything was coming full circle for him.

[Blue Liara]

Bioware LIES.

The fact that some at Bioware have claimed that a lot of things were cut out because of budget restraints and deadlines really demonstrates the level to which they lie/care more about money then making a good RPG.

IF budget constraints were the reason for cutting out things like having female character models of other races, why then did you spend money on a multi-player?

Why did you take the time to make a day one DLC and then charge for it.

[devSin]

ME - Virmire, the Ilos trench run through the end of the game
ME2 - the disabled Collector vessel
ME3 - none so far (probably Rannoch)

Mass Effect shouldn't need explanation. Those were just great parts of the game. I thought the reveal in the disabled Collector vessel was far better than the suicide mission, and seeing the scope of the Collectors' operation and discovering that they were actually prothean is probably one of the better presented plot points in the game.

Mass Effect 3 is tough. The missions are fair, but I think the problem with just having a long string of equivalent priority missions is that there's not enough that stands out. Tuchanka is great, but the missions themselves are kind of dull as far as gameplay goes. Rannoch is the most unique, but I'm not sure the story elements are better than any of the other major plots. Thessia to me was just too bleak and ugly, and Kai Leng is the worst villain of the series.

[Major Swift]

Mythandariel wrote...

Laterali wrote...

ME3- Any scene/storyline where one of the former ME2 cast members died. I don't get too emotional usually, but when Mordin started singing and Koylet started that prayer, I was getting a little teary eyed. Even when Legion asked "does this unit have a soul" got me going.

Did you get the impression that Legion was the origional Geth who asked that question? It felt like it. Like everything was coming full circle for him.

i felt he was the original one who asked it

[Laterali]

Mythandariel wrote...


Did you get the impression that Legion was the origional Geth who asked that question? It felt like it. Like everything was coming full circle for him.

That's what I thought, too. And when he was talking about the agriculture unit saving the other lesser geth, and Shepard mentioned the rifle being like Legion's. He says something like, " It is an efficient model".  It sounded to me like he was saying it was the very same rifle, and he was basically the geth that took the first shot.

God, Legion was an awesome character.

[CaptnObvious]

ld1449 wrote...

Kai Leng should have been replaced outright or "buffed" with a team.

Kai leng could be eliminated completely or be made the team "leader"

But essentially Cerberus' anti-Shepard operators would consist of a group of four to five people that can ultimately go toe to toe with any of Shepard's own squadmates

Garrus-long range support

Tali/Edi- computer hacking

Liara/Javik-Biotics

Vega- Tank/meatshield

Ashley- Close range

Shepard- Commander.

That's how I would have designated the "Cerberus comandoes"  If I woulda done em. That way you have a full team that is against Shepard, it sure as hell wouldn't have been the same level of plot armor Kai Leng had with that gunship if all 6 of those specialists would have shown up. Shepard would have been outnumbered by an enemy with superior position over his/her team.

Rather than one guy with a gunship at his back (Didn't we take one of those down with little more than cojones after Garrus to a Rocket to the face?)

Sounds great too 

Lol a whole enemy commando would've been great. It also would've made for multiple-staged boss fights...

[ld1449]

Computim wrote...

Yeah but Kai Leng there felt more appropriate to lose the control to.. he was dirty and used dirty tricks to force you into positions you had to rely on your friends to get out of.  But it DID make you REALLY mad.  Had I had a dreadnaught at my command I'm pretty sure I would have just ramming speeded it into the Cerberus base after that..

I dunno he underwhelmed me more because he had no real backstory besides the short bits they gave him.  But that did set it up well.. it made me more angry.  Shepard should not have lost to him there, the dirty tricks are why he won there, and I think that helped bring out the anger.  Cerberus used dirty tricks to win, not a straight up fight, not a fair fight.

See in literature I never believe in that "Fair fight" "Dirty tricks thing."

If it would have been Shepard tailing a Cerberus op to find the beacon on Thessia, then Shepard just waltzes in with the normandy at his back shooting rockets around Shepard to the cerberus guys and Shepard takes the data and waltzes right back out while Cerberus is scrambling for cover, most people, myself included would have been laughing their asses off and going "Allright Shepard!!!" And giving him the proverbial/virtual pat on the back.

"Cruelty is a matter of perspective."

Odd that a very true and fitting quote to most things comes from a disney movie

[Mythandariel]

ld1449 wrote...

See in literature I never believe in that "Fair fight" "Dirty tricks thing."

If it would have been Shepard tailing a Cerberus op to find the beacon on Thessia, then Shepard just waltzes in with the normandy at his back shooting rockets around Shepard to the cerberus guys and Shepard takes the data and waltzes right back out while Cerberus is scrambling for cover, most people, myself included would have been laughing their asses off and going "Allright Shepard!!!" And giving him the proverbial/virtual pat on the back.

"Cruelty is a matter of perspective."

Odd that a very true and fitting quote to most things comes from a disney movie

That would have been awesome.

[ShadowOptik]

As it has been said before, these are all of someones PERCEPTION. Just because you perceive something does not mean you understand it. Maybe there is more here that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Patrick Weekes said it himself, they did not foresee us reating this way. It goes something like this. I am a Security Officer at a high end Hospital. I can take many paths to get to an area of the Hospital where a member of the Hospital can take only one path. The Developers know much more then we do of their CREATION. They have already stated that they want to make more games. I think Bioware just made a Cliffhanger ending that is too vague. We are adding our thoughts into what if this or what if that but we might not be seeing the solution because we do not understand it yet. 

[Computim]

ld1449 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Yeah but Kai Leng there felt more appropriate to lose the control to.. he was dirty and used dirty tricks to force you into positions you had to rely on your friends to get out of.  But it DID make you REALLY mad.  Had I had a dreadnaught at my command I'm pretty sure I would have just ramming speeded it into the Cerberus base after that..

I dunno he underwhelmed me more because he had no real backstory besides the short bits they gave him.  But that did set it up well.. it made me more angry.  Shepard should not have lost to him there, the dirty tricks are why he won there, and I think that helped bring out the anger.  Cerberus used dirty tricks to win, not a straight up fight, not a fair fight.

See in literature I never believe in that "Fair fight" "Dirty tricks thing."

If it would have been Shepard tailing a Cerberus op to find the beacon on Thessia, then Shepard just waltzes in with the normandy at his back shooting rockets around Shepard to the cerberus guys and Shepard takes the data and waltzes right back out while Cerberus is scrambling for cover, most people, myself included would have been laughing their asses off and going "Allright Shepard!!!" And giving him the proverbial/virtual pat on the back.

"Cruelty is a matter of perspective."

Odd that a very true and fitting quote to most things comes from a disney movie

Agree with you to a point.. I think it was entirely in character for Cerberus..  They use others to get what they want, they skip the step of earning it for themselves, and thereby miss the lessons learnt in obtaining whatever it is to start with.

They did it with Miranda recruiting her from her dad, they did it with Kai Lang, they tried to do it with the holocaust sanctuary, they even did it with Shepard.. rebuilding him to get him to do the work.

All of that effort, that sacrifice by your Shepard, losing friends, loved ones, and then having Cerberus take the very thing you've been fighting for in a sneak attack just bugged me.. it felt appropriate.. the Kai Lang character was just another nameless pawn far as I was concerned.. how much story they had really, in the end didn't matter.

[CaptnObvious]

ShadowOptik wrote...

As it has been said before, these are all of someones PERCEPTION. Just because you perceive something does not mean you understand it. Maybe there is more here that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Patrick Weekes said it himself, they did not foresee us reating this way. It goes something like this. I am a Security Officer at a high end Hospital. I can take many paths to get to an area of the Hospital where a member of the Hospital can take only one path. The Developers know much more then we do of their CREATION. They have already stated that they want to make more games. I think Bioware just made a Cliffhanger ending that is too vague. We are adding our thoughts into what if this or what if that but we might not be seeing the solution because we do not understand it yet. 

If they understand it and have it planned, why won't they say anything when it started getting big? 

It's both perception of our part, i'd admit, but also choices from their own end to keep it a perception problem. Meh, i might be mistaken.

Edit: I mean, my perception might be off, but they could've been honest about it all instead of leaving every comments ambiguous.

Modifié par CaptnObvious, 09 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Bionic Weapon]

ld1449 wrote...

By the way, to everyone out there, what were your favorite moments of ME1 ME2 and ME3???

For me respectively

Ilos Conduit to Saren boss battle run

The "Overlord" DLC when you finally find David Archer strapped to that machine (How many of you Renegade people actually had it in you to leave the poor guy up there.)

And the Tali conversations on Ranoch (especially if you romanced her)

In Mass Effect 1 so many, but two of the ones that I thoroughly enjoyed was saving Liara in Therum.
Hearing that song pumped me up and made it seem that getting to her was crucial. Not to mention the overall level was very good.

The other was when I became the first Spectre of humanity. Even if you knew it was coming it just felt like such a great moment. As if to say this is just the start of what humanity can do.

In Mass Effect 2 visiting the Normandy SR1 crash site. I loved seeing the journal Pressly left behind and how he changed his view of the alien crew Shepard recruited. Made me smile. Also thinking back to all the adventurers and trouble Shep got into on the first Normandy.

My second fav moment was standing up for the Quarian on the Citadel who was accused of stealing a credit chit.
The bigger more epic moments are obviously awesome, and choosing them wiuld be too easy, but these smaller ones were so great.

In Mass Effect 3 it was the tense moment between Joker and Shep after Thessia. The paragon choice took me by surprise. Shepard was angry, and it showed. I loved how Joker made it clear that Andserson stuck back on earth was worried about him, and wanted Jeff to look after him. Very powerful imo.

The other was making peace between the Geth and Quarians. Realizing why the Geth rebelled, made that moment even better because, you made the Quarians realize THEY were wrong and they had to be the bigger man so to speak to end this conflict.  Also very powerful.

Many more but those to me stood out.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 09 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Laterali]

I didn't mind Kai Leng that much. as soon as I saw him I knew he was going to be Bizarro Shepard. I come through the front doors with bullets flying everywhere, he stabs you in the back. I Run towards a fight, he flees. I didn't see him as a singular character, more as another talking head for The Illusive Man.

It was what I expected The Illusive Man would have done, after spending all that money on bringing Shepard back and losing him, the next experiment he would indoctrinate, so he had control over him. Kai Leng was a hell of a dirty fighter, but he was an assassin, they make dirty fighting an art.

[ld1449]

ShadowOptik wrote...

As it has been said before, these are all of someones PERCEPTION. Just because you perceive something does not mean you understand it. Maybe there is more here that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Patrick Weekes said it himself, they did not foresee us reating this way. It goes something like this. I am a Security Officer at a high end Hospital. I can take many paths to get to an area of the Hospital where a member of the Hospital can take only one path. The Developers know much more then we do of their CREATION. They have already stated that they want to make more games. I think Bioware just made a Cliffhanger ending that is too vague. We are adding our thoughts into what if this or what if that but we might not be seeing the solution because we do not understand it yet. 

The "end" of a trilogy is not the time to decide to suddenly extend the damn thing even further. Even if they would have just gotten to the "Thessia" Mission and just cut it off in a "To be continued" THAT would have been a more preferable way to end the series than this.

Or hell having the crucible hook up, and power up the shot to fire before cutting to black. It would have pissed more people off to be damn sure, but that is a Real OPEN ENDED game. Not this kind of "ending" that you rip apart the rules of your whole universe.

Every statement I've heard so far is basically Bioware putting a bandaid on a broken leg.

"FTL travel is actually fairly plausible without Mass Relays. People just haven't advanced it too much because Mass Relay Technology was so convenient"

We've frequently stated that Reaper technology, mass relay technology is the most advanced thing this universe has.

Protheans, who would still (If Javik is anything to go by) Call us "Primitive" still couldn't fully grasp the complexities of Mass Relay technology that all they had was a prototype that worked One way after god knows how many years of research. This is not just a "Convenience" Its like calling the difference between a musket and a minigun a "convenience"

So yeah. if they did this to potentially extend the franchise in the future this is the worst case of "Greed Factor" I've ever seen. Not to mention the quickest as well.

(Greed Factor- When author, or publisher chooses to extend work due to sheer popularity long after viable cohesive plot elements have been long since used. End result is the detriment of series/franchise in the sense of a literary value to the point of mocking or dismissal by fans and non fans alike.)

[Computim]

Laterali wrote...

I didn't mind Kai Leng that much. as soon as I saw him I knew he was going to be Bizarro Shepard. I come through the front doors with bullets flying everywhere, he stabs you in the back. I Run towards a fight, he flees. I didn't see him as a singular character, more as another talking head for The Illusive Man.

It was what I expected The Illusive Man would have done, after spending all that money on bringing Shepard back and losing him, the next experiment he would indoctrinate, so he had control over him. Kai Leng was a hell of a dirty fighter, but he was an assassin, they make dirty fighting an art.

Yeah, the mouth of Sauron... scary on his own, but when it comes down to it, just a pawn for someone else.

[evisneffo]

Hello everyone, how are we all feeling?

To join in the discussion, Kai Leng was a joke to me from the start. Other people have come up with better ways of expressing it than I did, but basically he felt out of place and really shoe-horned in as a villain. He was like a cartoon ninja in space. Couldn't take him seriously. Hated him for ruining the atmosphere.

Also wanted to post this: Aussie ME3 players will clearly never buy this car.

[Debi-Tage]

ShadowOptik wrote...

As it has been said before, these are all of someones PERCEPTION. Just because you perceive something does not mean you understand it. Maybe there is more here that we DO NOT UNDERSTAND. Patrick Weekes said it himself, they did not foresee us reating this way. It goes something like this. I am a Security Officer at a high end Hospital. I can take many paths to get to an area of the Hospital where a member of the Hospital can take only one path. The Developers know much more then we do of their CREATION. They have already stated that they want to make more games. I think Bioware just made a Cliffhanger ending that is too vague. We are adding our thoughts into what if this or what if that but we might not be seeing the solution because we do not understand it yet. 

I am in total agreement. But if this is the end of Shepard's story you cannot leave Sheps story with a cliffhanger. End it or don't, but don't make people speculate what happened to the main character when you have stated over and over again that this was going to be the end of their story arc. It certainly doesn't make people want to run out and pay for resolution via future games and dlc when they were supposed to have been given that resolution in game. This was supposed to be the final game in the installment - not ME2.

[ld1449]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

*snip*

In Mass Effect 3 it was the tense moment between Joker and Shep after Thessia. The paragon choice took me by surprise. Shepard was angry, and it showed. I loved how Joker made it clear that Andserson stuck back on earth was worried about him, and wanted Jeff to look after him. Very powerful imo.

*Snip*

Never really liked Joker much myself tbh. In part one he was okay, in Part two he was just irritating in alot of his 'jokes'. Some were funny but most were just plain old irritating. And in ME3 when he went off with a joke on Thessia TWO SECONDS after we escaped and then decided to be cheeky about it with a "too soon?"

That just put him firmly on my ****list

[Computim]

evisneffo wrote...

Hello everyone, how are we all feeling?

To join in the discussion, Kai Leng was a joke to me from the start. Other people have come up with better ways of expressing it than I did, but basically he felt out of place and really shoe-horned in as a villain. He was like a cartoon ninja in space. Couldn't take him seriously. Hated him for ruining the atmosphere.

Also wanted to post this: Aussie ME3 players will clearly never buy this car.

ROFL.. reminds me of the Gerber Baby Food India debacle.. where they realized that in India most foods have what's inside pictured on the label... and people assumed us crazy north americans were packaging up babies.

Gotta watch your target audience haha.

[Bionic Weapon]

ld1449 wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

*snip*

In Mass Effect 3 it was the tense moment between Joker and Shep after Thessia. The paragon choice took me by surprise. Shepard was angry, and it showed. I loved how Joker made it clear that Andserson stuck back on earth was worried about him, and wanted Jeff to look after him. Very powerful imo.

*Snip*

Never really liked Joker much myself tbh. In part one he was okay, in Part two he was just irritating in alot of his 'jokes'. Some were funny but most were just plain old irritating. And in ME3 when he went off with a joke on Thessia TWO SECONDS after we escaped and then decided to be cheeky about it with a "too soon?"

That just put him firmly on my ****list

Oh yeah? Did you happen to connect the dots with his sister? Once I did it made  my stomach turn and I felt like a POS.
Joker does joke at inappropriate times but it's because he knows the whole situation is stressful and he wants his Commander and everyone else to take time for themselves and not stress out.

[ld1449]

Computim wrote...


ROFL.. reminds me of the Gerber Baby Food India debacle.. where they realized that in India most foods have what's inside pictured on the label... and people assumed us crazy north americans were packaging up babies.

Gotta watch your target audience haha.

R u serious??? Lol

[Laterali]

evisneffo wrote...

Hello everyone, how are we all feeling?

To join in the discussion, Kai Leng was a joke to me from the start. Other people have come up with better ways of expressing it than I did, but basically he felt out of place and really shoe-horned in as a villain. He was like a cartoon ninja in space. Couldn't take him seriously. Hated him for ruining the atmosphere.

I liked him because he was the embodiment of Cerberus. His tactics were what we've been shown is Cerberus from the very beginning. Underhanded, dirty, dishonorable, cruel. He acted as Cerberus does, he spoke for The Illusive Man, basically he was everything we hated about Cerberus in a deadly package.

His character was cliche sure, but They needed a character that could connect you to TIM. Having TIM just show up as a hologram to ruin your day and then send waves of faceless grunts just wouldn't work. Kai Leng was everything that TIM needed. He didn't need a hero to save the galaxy, he needed an assassin that would get the dirty jobs done, and he didn't need Kai Leng to have free will like Shepard did, since Kai Lengs only goal was to kill and steal.

Not the greatest villian I've seen, sure, but a needed one.

[ld1449]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Oh yeah? Did you happen to connect the dots with his sister? Once I did it made  my stomach turn and I felt like a POS.
Joker does joke at inappropriate times but it's because he knows the whole situation is stressful and he wants his Commander and everyone else to take time for themselves and not stress out.

I did. And after I did I felt no real inclination to walk up to him and make a joke. That was the extent of my pity party for him. Which (after seeing how he acts in all three games) is probably more than he'd do for someone else.

I can easilly see the normandy getting info on Garrus' family dead and Joker making some comment to someone about it when Garrus isn't around.

As Shepard said in ME1 "Joker can be a real ass. Just try to ignore him."

Edit*

And no, Joker makes those Jokes solely for himself, so that he can cope. If you want to distract the people your working with from the problem at hand you bring up the latest screw up in the mess hall, or that James stubbed his toe when he dropped his weights and is walking funny now. You don't bring up the situation that nobody wants to think about, point at it and say "Ha ha guys look how Bad this is getting"

Which is, in essence, the line his jokes follow

Modifié par ld1449, 09 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Ihatebadgames]

When Shepard is chasing Kai Leng and Kai Leng jumps on Sheps vehicle,why didn't Shep just scrape him off on one of those over pass /braces/walkways or whatever those were?

[FinalEndeavor]

ok ive been gone for a few hours.....but i probably didnt miss anything super important.....unless space magic made everything better lol