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[Jere85]

Major Swift wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Good day guys, hows the line?

its good, discussions of udina, chobot, and TIM/plotholes mainly atm

Thanks , ill catch up a bit

[Debi-Tage]

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Modifié par Debi-Tage, 09 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[Mokiki]

g_bassi13 wrote...

...Or that the genophage cure data is available whether or not you chose to destroy it, despite Mordin saying it would take years (yes years) to reproduce it if was lost... Or how about whether or not you chose to let the council die, you face zero repercussions, still get a Salarian, a Turian, and a Asari with the exact same dialogue, and are reinstated as a spectre regardless of whether or not you want it...

Or how about whether or not you had characters in the die in the suicide mission, you still get to do the missions they were supposed to be in, where another bland replacement character takes there place and everything plays out the same way, thereby proving just how useless the ME2 squadmate cameos really were.

It'd be easier if I could find that article I saw that had a list of these. I'm sure there were a couple more.

Tbh that didn't annoy me as much. Cause this was understandable that they can't actually build 2 main storylines. Even if you're expecting a lot of choices that one was actually out of the question. The one replacement I actually found interesting was if Wrex wasn't along for the ride and gets replaced by wreav. Where you see two different perspective from two krogans about what will happen after the cure. I didn't care that much for wreav but it was still interesting and seeing how eve keeps him in check.

Modifié par Mokiki, 09 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Debi-Tage]

xHezz90 wrote...

isig wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
I preferred the outfit that you got in Kasumi's loyalty mission in ME2 to what they give you in ME3.

I just don't get why femShep didn't get to wear the leather jacket, but only that spandex dress instead.
Not that it didn't look awesome when my femShep kicked Vega's ass in a dress, mind you.. 
But still, a leather jacket seems much more in character than a cocktail dress.

I never wear the cocktail dress, all it ever screams at me is prostitu** so I just stuck with the N7 hoody (which FYI I loved!)

That and it makes about as much sense as having BroShep run around in a suit and tie

[Tyion133]

g_bassi13 wrote...
It'd be easier if I could find that article I saw that had a list of these. I'm sure there were a couple more.

Would be awesome if you could find the article

[Phoenix NL]

Feraiin wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

*snip*
Wow, this guy isn't pulling his punches lol. Always nice to see someone else that has taken the time to full understand the situation before voicing his opinion. Last time I checked, the FTC was not what got all the media attention.

And here I sit, as a game-designer and fan and think to myself: What kind of people are mediating between the two groups?
Maybe we are vocal in voicing our own, but we don't put down other people's opinions or assume to know the completely workings of the customer/fan-dev relationship.

Seriously, some of the press-people should just shut up. Game-Devs usually have good PR departments, we don't really need external input aside from reviews.

Isn't it interesting that the majority of us are being civil and explaining our concerns in clear and reasonable ways. We have accepted that not everyone agrees with our point of view and have not engaged in abuse towards the people that do enjoy the ending. On the other hand we have been subjected to all forms of abuse (entitled whiners being the kindest) and it seems to be acceptable for these people to insult fans in this way.

[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Isn't it interesting that the majority of us are being civil and explaining our concerns in clear and reasonable ways. We have accepted that not everyone agrees with our point of view and have not engaged in abuse towards the people that do enjoy the ending. On the other hand we have been subjected to all forms of abuse (entitled whiners being the kindest) and it seems to be acceptable for these people to insult fans in this way.

thats what i don't get, we've been civil and its like its perfectly acceptable for those people to insult us/abuse

[Tyion133]

Phoenix NL wrote...
Isn't it interesting that the majority of us are being civil and explaining our concerns in clear and reasonable ways. We have accepted that not everyone agrees with our point of view and have not engaged in abuse towards the people that do enjoy the ending. On the other hand we have been subjected to all forms of abuse (entitled whiners being the kindest) and it seems to be acceptable for these people to insult fans in this way.

''Dont bite the hand that feeds you.'' Seems to be a major drive for those guys...

[g_bassi13]

xHezz90 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

But the most unforgivable... Making Udina councilor...

*sigh* Anderson stepped down as councilor in one of the books and Udina stepped in and took his place.

That doesn't exactly forgive the decision. It's a pretty significant player choice to toss to the side. They could've made a comic explaining how TIM went back and saved the human reaper after I blew it up, but that doesn't make it okay.

[-PG-Skyre]

Next target for Retakers, biased "reviewers" and "analysts".
Think about it, if they had done their job, I doubt many of us would have bother buying ME3. All we had to go off was biased reviews that wanted to appease EA, and PR promises that were total fabrications.

[Mr Chr15topher]

Major Swift wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Isn't it interesting that the majority of us are being civil and explaining our concerns in clear and reasonable ways. We have accepted that not everyone agrees with our point of view and have not engaged in abuse towards the people that do enjoy the ending. On the other hand we have been subjected to all forms of abuse (entitled whiners being the kindest) and it seems to be acceptable for these people to insult fans in this way.

thats what i don't get, we've been civil and its like its perfectly acceptable for those people to insult us/abuse

Sort of reminds me of this from the Dark Knight:
James Gordon Jr .: Why's he running, Dad?

Lt. James Gordon: Because we have to chase him.

James Gordon Jr.: He didn't do anything wrong.

Lt. James Gordon: Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight 

Modifié par Mr Chr15topher, 09 avril 2012 - 02:53 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Next target for Retakers, biased "reviewers" and "analysts".
Think about it, if they had done their job, I doubt many of us would have bother buying ME3. All we had to go off was biased reviews that wanted to appease EA, and PR promises that were total fabrications.

Except I never paid attention to any reviews or what not before release and I had mine pre-ordered since July last year, I bought it with the understandable thought that ME3 would be as epic as ME 1 & 2, which it was until the ending of course.

[Major Swift]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...
Sort of reminds me of this from the Dark Knight:
*snip*
Lt. James Gordon: Because he's the hero the fanbase deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll kill him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight 

lol thats obviously about Marauder Shields

Modifié par Major Swift, 09 avril 2012 - 02:56 .

[Phoenix NL]

Major Swift wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...
Sort of reminds me of this from the Dark Knight:
*snip*
Lt. James Gordon: Because he's the hero the fanbase deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll kill him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight 

lol thats obviously about Marauder Shields

The only difference being he's the hero we need, not the hero we deserve.

[Major Swift]

xHezz90 wrote...
Except I never paid attention to any reviews or what not before release and I had mine pre-ordered since July last year, I bought it with the understandable thought that ME3 would be as epic as ME 1 & 2, which it was until the ending of course.

same here, i never read reviews/pay attention to them when im expecting something to be as great as what came before

Modifié par Major Swift, 09 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[-PG-Skyre]

xHezz90 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Next target for Retakers, biased "reviewers" and "analysts".
Think about it, if they had done their job, I doubt many of us would have bother buying ME3. All we had to go off was biased reviews that wanted to appease EA, and PR promises that were total fabrications.

Except I never paid attention to any reviews or what not before release and I had mine pre-ordered since July last year, I bought it with the understandable thought that ME3 would be as epic as ME 1 & 2, which it was until the ending of course.

Still, that would mean that false PR promises would have to be thrown in too. Stamp down on biased and false, yet legal, advertising. Reviewers had all sorts of praise for ME3, but avoided commenting on the bad stuff. BW PR dept flat out lied about the ending...really, gamers should put a stop to that sort of behavior.

[Tyion133]

xHezz90 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Next target for Retakers, biased "reviewers" and "analysts".
Think about it, if they had done their job, I doubt many of us would have bother buying ME3. All we had to go off was biased reviews that wanted to appease EA, and PR promises that were total fabrications.

Except I never paid attention to any reviews or what not before release and I had mine pre-ordered since July last year, I bought it with the understandable thought that ME3 would be as epic as ME 1 & 2, which it was until the ending of course.

Aye... I think alot of us did it like that... But when we think about what they promised us, and what we got...
And to what Skyre wrote... Are we preparing for ''war'' against gaming sites and EA?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Still, that would mean that false PR promises would have to be thrown in too. Stamp down on biased and false, yet legal, advertising. Reviewers had all sorts of praise for ME3, but avoided commenting on the bad stuff. BW PR dept flat out lied about the ending...really, gamers should put a stop to that sort of behavior.

I agree, I was just saying that not everyone would have actually paid attention to the stuff before release.

They definitely lied, and for whatever reason they are allowed to false advertise even though for every other product on the market it's illegal (? - not sure if it's actually illegal but it's against some sort of rule at least).

[-PG-Skyre]

Major Swift wrote...

same here, i never read reviews/pay attention to them when im expecting something to be as great as what came before

After the last 2 years (bad TOR release, "community events" for only 1/6 of the community, Dragon Age 2), I started to read reviews beforehand.

[g_bassi13]

Mokiki wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

...Or that the genophage cure data is available whether or not you chose to destroy it, despite Mordin saying it would take years (yes years) to reproduce it if was lost... Or how about whether or not you chose to let the council die, you face zero repercussions, still get a Salarian, a Turian, and a Asari with the exact same dialogue, and are reinstated as a spectre regardless of whether or not you want it...

Or how about whether or not you had characters in the die in the suicide mission, you still get to do the missions they were supposed to be in, where another bland replacement character takes there place and everything plays out the same way, thereby proving just how useless the ME2 squadmate cameos really were.

It'd be easier if I could find that article I saw that had a list of these. I'm sure there were a couple more.

Tbh that didn't annoy me as much. Cause this was understandable that they can't actually build 2 main storylines. Even if you're expecting a lot of choices that one was actually out of the question. The one replacement I actually found interesting was if Wrex wasn't along for the ride and gets replaced by wreav. Where you see two different perspective from two krogans about what whill happen after the cure. I didn't care that much for wreav but it was still interesting and seeing how the eve keeps him in check.

The game is insanely linear on the whole though. Every single major decision from ME1 and ME2 that could've made an impact didn't. Not a one.

That's the problem. This is exactly what the game was supposed to be about. Seeing the repercussions of our actions. We don't see any of them.

I could understand the need for a bit of a linear story if the game got upwards of 60 hours long... But it wasn't. It was barely even 30 hours long at it's core. Even Mass Effect 2 had 50+ hours to take away, given it's general rigid nature.

I'm not even asking for 2 seperate storylines (though there should've been something where you could've joined cerberus.) There should be some variety somewhere. If the game was as short as it was, and managed little to no variety in it's story... the only explanation is that they didn't have the time to make the game properly (which they didn't). So the 18 months was a huge factor in how shallow the game ended up being. Whether this is EA's fault or Bioware's I don't care. I'm just upset that I didn't get the game I was promised. And when the people who made these promises realized they couldn't back them up, they started lying.

[-PG-Skyre]

Tyion133 wrote...
And to what Skyre wrote... Are we preparing for ''war'' against gaming sites and EA?

We are already at war soldier! Jokes.
Nah, I just think that reviewers and the such aren't doing their jobs.

Also, not reading reviews doesn't change the fact that they are still extremely biased. In this instant you all may not have read the reviews, but what about next time?

[Mr Chr15topher]

g_bassi13 wrote...

The game is insanely linear on the whole though. Every single major decision from ME1 and ME2 that could've made an impact didn't. Not a one.

That's the problem. This is exactly what the game was supposed to be about. Seeing the repercussions of our actions. We don't see any of them.

I could understand the need for a bit of a linear story if the game got upwards of 60 hours long... But it wasn't. It was barely even 30 hours long at it's core. Even Mass Effect 2 had 50+ hours to take away, given it's general rigid nature.

I'm not even asking for 2 seperate storylines (though there should've been something where you could've joined cerberus.) There should be some variety somewhere. If the game was as short as it was, and managed little to no variety in it's story... the only explanation is that they didn't have the time to make the game properly (which they didn't). So the 18 months was a huge factor in how shallow the game ended up being. Whether this is EA's fault or Bioware's I don't care. I'm just upset that I didn't get the game I was promised. And when the people who made these promises realized they couldn't back them up, they started lying.

If you killed the rachni in ME1 then the Reapers found another egg to hatch. That annoyed me slightly. I thought that the choice in ME1 would send repercussions right the way through the trilogy, but it ends up the same either way.

[Major Swift]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
And to what Skyre wrote... Are we preparing for ''war'' against gaming sites and EA?

We are already at war soldier! Jokes.
Nah, I just think that reviewers and the such aren't doing their jobs.

Also, not reading reviews doesn't change the fact that they are still extremely biased. In this instant you all may not have read the reviews, but what about next time?

well there won't be a next time with bioware if this extended ending doesn't deliver, but on the chance it does i will be reading reviews (honest reviews) before purchasing/will not preorder future things (DA3)

Modifié par Major Swift, 09 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

We are already at war soldier! Jokes.
Nah, I just think that reviewers and the such aren't doing their jobs.

Also, not reading reviews doesn't change the fact that they are still extremely biased. In this instant you all may not have read the reviews, but what about next time?

They definitely don't do their jobs the way they should be but that's hardly new, I mean the amount of reviews I have read about movies ect that were complete bull compared to the actual product is astounding.

I have never read reviews, (well until now for the sake of laughing at the 9.5/10 reviews) mainly because I don't care about anyone elses opinion but my own.

Edit: Just realised my posts comes off as condescending, I care about other peoples opinions, but I don't really listen to them, if they don't like a game that's fine but that doesn't mean I wont like the same game.

Modifié par xHezz90, 09 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[Tyion133]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
And to what Skyre wrote... Are we preparing for ''war'' against gaming sites and EA?

We are already at war soldier! Jokes.
Nah, I just think that reviewers and the such aren't doing their jobs.

Also, not reading reviews doesn't change the fact that they are still extremely biased. In this instant you all may not have read the reviews, but what about next time?

Well... Good games are few and far apart... A reviewer might not like the game, but maybe you yourself like the game... Its a matter of personal taste... But reviews for ME3 were extremely biased... It kinda feels as if they've been ''bribed off'' by EA to defend the game...