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[Major Swift]

who here is actually downloading that MP thing today once its available? just wondering

[Phoenix NL]

Major Swift wrote...

who here is actually downloading that MP thing today once its available? just wondering

I'm not sure yet, I find MP quite repetitive and got bored of it really quickly so not sure if it would be worth it for me.

[Mokiki]

I play the mp occasionally so I probably will since it's free anyways. I have to get my moneys worth somehow since the sp replay value is diminished.

Modifié par Mokiki, 10 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

who here is actually downloading that MP thing today once its available? just wondering

I'm not sure yet, I find MP quite repetitive and got bored of it really quickly so not sure if it would be worth it for me.

thats the way i feel about it too atm, though new races (geth etc)  might help

[someguy1231]

Phoenix NL wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

A "happily ever after" ending wouldn't work for a game like ME3. Before you can even do anything in the game, the Reapers have already caused massive destruction all over the galaxy. Trying to portray a "happily ever after" ending in a situation like that would destroy my suspension of disbelief. Hell, the fact you can even have a romance at all while the Reapers are invading pretty much already did. I'd hate to tell the citizens of London that I couldn't save them cause I was too busy banging my space waifu.

Besides, many in the mainstream media have already dismissed us as a bunch of whiners who just want a sunshine-and-butterflies Disney-esque ending. The last thing we should be doing is adding fuel to that stereotype.

This where we'll have to agree to disagree. I find it perfectly plausible that faced with almost insurmountable odds and a great likelihood of death having an intimate relationship might reinforce what you're fighting for or reaffirm life. I'm not saying that Shepard and their LI should skip off into the sunset because the Reapers have caused mass devastation, but part of it is that I think after everything that Shepard has been through and with the war over there should be the possibility of having that hope and future with their LI. But again, that should have just been one of the options because it wouldn't be the ending that everyone would choose.

If Shepard were an ordinary person who was completely helpless against the Reapers, I would agree. But Shepard is the only one who can stop them. Every moment wasted is another potential million or so killed by the Reapers. I'd find it incredibly irresponsible if the ONE PERSON capable of saving the galaxy decided to have an unnecessary romantic interlude while the fate of the galaxy is at stake. It'd be like a group of paramedics making a quick carnal visit with their loved ones on their way to answering a 911 call. They'd be fired in an instant for that.

To reiterate, a happy ending just can't work for a game like ME3. There is no way you can make galactic  near-genocide "happy". None at all. If Bioware attempted the ending you want, it would come across as incredibly cheesy and even a bit insensitive, considering so many billions are dead and yet Shepard seems perfectly happy with his space waifu.

Whether they literally "skip off into the sunset" or not, the implication invoked is pretty much identical to the "hope and future with their LI" you describe, so the distinction you make doesn't really matter in the end. They're just two different ways to describe the same thing.

And again, the whole "You just want a happy ending!" canard has been used by many to dismiss us. The last thing we should be doing is playing into their hands. We don't want a happy ending; we want an ending that makes sense. And a happy ending for ME3 does not make sense.

Modifié par someguy1231, 10 avril 2012 - 09:03 .

[cyborgchris]

Major Swift wrote...

who here is actually downloading that MP thing today once its available? just wondering

count me out on this one ... I never touched MP here and never will

If I want to play online, I log into LotRO and hang out with my kinmates there

[Bionic Weapon]

Major Swift wrote...

i respect your opinion on the matter and actually understand your point of view there with how they've already destroyed alot of the major homeworlds all the loss of life and such is pretty bad, even with all that loss of life theres no reason there shouldn't at least be the option though, even if really hard to achieve

"I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. 
It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really 
mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you 
didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How 
could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness 
must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine 
out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant
something, even if you were too small to understand why." -Sam, LoTR: The Two Towers
edit: and basically what Phoenix said below this

Which is why an uplifting ending would work at the end of ME3.
My version of uplifting/ happy is a worn out Shepard who is tired, beaten, and ready to call it a day ( or whatever the equivalent if a day after a Reaper invasion is) but before he can do that, he looks around and sees that there is so much work to do. Bury the dead, tend to the wounded human and alien. Rebuild this planet so that it can give people hope, then move on to another planet. After all this are pretty much your brothers and sisters now.


That's how I see a happy ending. A lot was lost in this war, friends, family, and allies alike. But you won't consider what was lost as the end, but rather as a stepping stone to a new day. Shepard and crew seeing that while the war is over the work to make this place and the other places in the galaxy home again has just begun. 

[Major Swift]

not going to say anymore other than what i did earlier on that part but technically he is just an ordinary person, any person could be given the same tasks and fulfill them

[Major Swift]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

*snip on myself lol:P*

Which is why an uplifting ending would work at the end of ME3.
My version of uplifting/ happy is a worn out Shepard who is tired, beaten, and ready to call it a day ( or whatever the equivalent if a day after a Reaper invasion is) but before he can do that, he looks around and sees that there is so much work to do. Bury the dead, tend to the wounded human and alien. Rebuild this planet so that it can give people hope, then move on to another planet. After all this are pretty much your brothers and sisters now.


That's how I see a happy ending. A lot was lost in this war, friends, family, and allies alike. But you won't consider what was lost as the end, but rather as a stepping stone to a new day. Shepard and crew seeing that while the war is over the work to make this place and the other places in the galaxy home again has just begun. 

in my rewrite shep still has a year or so left of war before he gets to call it a day but yea i agree with what you have said here

Modifié par Major Swift, 10 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[Phoenix NL]

someguy1231 wrote...

If Shepard were an ordinary person who was completely helpless against the Reapers, I would agree. But Shepard is the only one who can stop them. Every moment wasted is another potential million or so killed by the Reapers. I'd find it incredibly irresponsible if the ONE PERSON capable of saving the galaxy decided to have an unnecessary romantic interlude while the fate of the galaxy is at stake. It'd be like a group of paramedics making a quick carnal visit with their loved ones on their way to answering a 911 call. They'd be fired in an instant for that.

To reiterate, a happy ending just can't work for a game like ME3. There is no way you can make galactic  near-genocide "happy". None at all. If Bioware attempted the ending you want, it would come across as incredibly cheesy and even a bit insensitive, considering so many billions are dead and yet Shepard seems perfectly happy with his space waifu.

Whether they literally "skip off into the sunset" or not, the implication invoked is pretty much identical to the "hope and future with their LI" you describe, so the distinction you make doesn't really matter in the end. They're just two different ways to describe the same thing.

And again, the whole "You just want a happy ending!" canard has been used by many to dismiss us. The last thing we should be doing is playing into their hands. We don't want a happy ending; we want an ending that makes sense. And a happy ending for ME3 does not make sense.

We could continue but I think we should just agree that we have differing opinions on this one

[Major Swift]

to anyone who cares, the MP DLC literally just became available, on the xbox marketplace anyway

[Phoenix NL]

Major Swift wrote...

to anyone who cares, the MP DLC literally just became available, on the xbox marketplace anyway

Yay! *continues watching TV*

[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

to anyone who cares, the MP DLC literally just became available, on the xbox marketplace anyway

Yay! *continues watching TV*

lol same here except it would be *continues watching movie*

[the_secondhammer]

someguy1231 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

A "happily ever after" ending wouldn't work for a game like ME3. Before you can even do anything in the game, the Reapers have already caused massive destruction all over the galaxy. Trying to portray a "happily ever after" ending in a situation like that would destroy my suspension of disbelief. Hell, the fact you can even have a romance at all while the Reapers are invading pretty much already did. I'd hate to tell the citizens of London that I couldn't save them cause I was too busy banging my space waifu.

Besides, many in the mainstream media have already dismissed us as a bunch of whiners who just want a sunshine-and-butterflies Disney-esque ending. The last thing we should be doing is adding fuel to that stereotype.

This where we'll have to agree to disagree. I find it perfectly plausible that faced with almost insurmountable odds and a great likelihood of death having an intimate relationship might reinforce what you're fighting for or reaffirm life. I'm not saying that Shepard and their LI should skip off into the sunset because the Reapers have caused mass devastation, but part of it is that I think after everything that Shepard has been through and with the war over there should be the possibility of having that hope and future with their LI. But again, that should have just been one of the options because it wouldn't be the ending that everyone would choose.

If Shepard were an ordinary person who was completely helpless against the Reapers, I would agree. But Shepard is the only one who can stop them. Every moment wasted is another potential million or so killed by the Reapers. I'd find it incredibly irresponsible if the ONE PERSON capable of saving the galaxy decided to have an unnecessary romantic interlude while the fate of the galaxy is at stake. It'd be like a group of paramedics making a quick carnal visit with their loved ones on their way to answering a 911 call. They'd be fired in an instant for that.

To reiterate, a happy ending just can't work for a game like ME3. There is no way you can make galactic  near-genocide "happy". None at all. If Bioware attempted the ending you want, it would come across as incredibly cheesy and even a bit insensitive, considering so many billions are dead and yet Shepard seems perfectly happy with his space waifu.

Whether they literally "skip off into the sunset" or not, the implication invoked is pretty much identical to the "hope and future with their LI" you describe, so the distinction you make doesn't really matter in the end. They're just two different ways to describe the same thing.

And again, the whole "You just want a happy ending!" canard has been used by many to dismiss us. The last thing we should be doing is playing into their hands. We don't want a happy ending; we want an ending that makes sense. And a happy ending for ME3 does not make sense.

That's why we can't have nice things...

"Happy Ending" would be ONE of many endings you can achieve. pfft...
And it wouldn't be really happy.
Happy is not about "yay pancakes for everyone and ultimate peace and forget the fallen".
It would be nice if you could just rest after the ending IF you survive... with LI or not.
Showing the galactic civilization rebuilding after that great war....
It's not happy but a glimpse of hope that everything can go back to normal.

If you do not wish to have happy ending, jump into the beam or electrocute yourself to control reapers. <_<

[Atrocity]

*yawns*
Damned be Origin and it's chat function. It's sabotaging all my attempts to go to sleep before 3-4 AM.
How are you guys doing?

[Major Swift]

Atrocity wrote...

*yawns*
Damned be Origin and it's chat function. It's sabotaging all my attempts to go to sleep before 3-4 AM.
How are you guys doing?

good, not really caring that the MP DLC just got released lol

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

*yawns*
Damned be Origin and it's chat function. It's sabotaging all my attempts to go to sleep before 3-4 AM.
How are you guys doing?

We are celebrating the release of the new MP dlc by not downloading it

[Atrocity]

Major Swift wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

*yawns*
Damned be Origin and it's chat function. It's sabotaging all my attempts to go to sleep before 3-4 AM.
How are you guys doing?

good, not really caring that the MP DLC just got released lol

Only on xbox if forums are correct. So, not a problem for me, never having owned xbox and never will.

[Mokiki]

Tbh I'd rather play the mp dlc than sitting here at work

[BlackDevil06]

Actually, a happy ending does work for ME3, and it can make sense. As long as you do it properly. Although, the first thing that should be done is to define "happy ending". If suddenly everybody is alive and nothing ever happened, then it doesn't feel real.

For me a happy ending would be where Shepard is reunited with the crew and his LI. And I think that a romance can actually be plausible.
You cannot really compare this to paramedics. Shepard and the crew spend months together. With their interation and talks the crew gets to know each other. Plus with all the things they go through, I think they are bound to get closer to each other, and maybe develop feelings for each other. But while I see it that way, others think that it doesn't make sense. Therefore, they can choose to not start a romance.

As I said before, and ending where Shepard lives and is reunited with the crew, can make sense and I would consider a happy ending. But it isn't all good, a lot of lives have still been lost, the earth is still in ashes, and a lot of the allies also died.

[mCorfe]

I wonder why NOT playing MP makes you think it will help in any way. It's free and its quite enjoyable. As much as i f***** hate the bs ending, I like MP quite a bit.

[Mokiki]

Signed what BlackDevil06 said.

[Atrocity]

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-change-could-have-empowered-game-writing/
Has this been posted yet?

Many fans (and a few of us here at Game Front) believe the ending of Mass Effect 3 qualitatively isn’t good enough, so that colors the artistic merit debate greatly.

 

Now why do I feel that wasn't meant to be just a figure of speech? 

[g_bassi13]

Any iteration of this current ending would not be "happy". At the very least not satisfying.

Mainly because of this:

i39.tinypic.com/z7t34.jpg

Modifié par g_bassi13, 10 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[Phoenix NL]

BlackDevil06 wrote...

Actually, a happy ending does work for ME3, and it can make sense. As long as you do it properly. Although, the first thing that should be done is to define "happy ending". If suddenly everybody is alive and nothing ever happened, then it doesn't feel real.

For me a happy ending would be where Shepard is reunited with the crew and his LI. And I think that a romance can actually be plausible.
You cannot really compare this to paramedics. Shepard and the crew spend months together. With their interation and talks the crew gets to know each other. Plus with all the things they go through, I think they are bound to get closer to each other, and maybe develop feelings for each other. But while I see it that way, others think that it doesn't make sense. Therefore, they can choose to not start a romance.

As I said before, and ending where Shepard lives and is reunited with the crew, can make sense and I would consider a happy ending. But it isn't all good, a lot of lives have still been lost, the earth is still in ashes, and a lot of the allies also died.

they also have to travel many lightyears between missions etc. so have more time to develop those relationships.