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BlackDevil06 wrote...

Maybe something on bittersweet endings.

While I appreciate happy endings(Open palm Jade Empire, anyone?), I can live with bittersweet. An excellent example that comes to my mind is Grand Theft Auto IV, both the main game as well as The Lost and Damned. Some day I will finish The Ballad of Gay Tony, so cannot speak for that ending.

In the main game Niko loses someone he loves, whter it be his cousin Roman who, despite his flaws, is still family and helps Niko, or be it Kate McReary, who captures his heart. Shortly before Niko finally can kill the one who betrayed him and his fellow soldiers during the war or eh can spare him. --> Closure!
And in the last mission, he gets revenge on the person that killed his cousin or Kate. Yet after that, he doesn't celebrate, he feels empty, because he lost a person that meant a lot to him.

In the Lost and Damned, the Lost MC falls apart in the end, and the few remaining members torch down the old clubhouse. Earlier his good friend Jim died, who cut back his time with the other members and became a family man. 

Both those endings felt very emotional. But more importantly they made sense and were very well done. And another thing, in both games the main character didn't die. I know that his was important because players might want to complete other missions/activities without starting a new game, but it shows that the hero doesn't need to die. Consider this all you "Shepard-needs-to-die-for-the-story-to-be-epic"-people. He/she simply doesn't. 

And even if you kill a character, do it right. Modern Warfare 1 did it right in "Aftermath", where you crawl from the helicopter and finally die from the radiation and other possible injuries. By Modern Warfare 2 it got boring, because every two missions, a major character died. 



Great examples, GTA really did that well. It was a victory but look what it cost.


Another example is Max Payne. Heck both games had victorious yet tragic endings, yet Max lived though it. Now he's one character where death would not be an issue. That man is messed up, however even he deserves to move on with his life at some point.

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Phoenix NL wrote...

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Looking back like two pages I see we had an attack from an underbridger? Or was he just going off on the happy ending people? Also where's my goddamned root beer Major Swift!

No he wasn't an underbridger, just felt that a happy ending would be inappropriate within the context of the game which is fair enough - I just didn't agree with all of his points. Image IPB

*hugs* how are you this morning?


Eh... Kinda odd since a happy ending could work, in threoy, but it would have to be set like a year after the entire thing for it to really work... Like Shep is standing at a monument, then turns and walks away with her LI or something... Actually that's kind bittersweet... SEE WHAT I DID BW I JUST GAVE YOU A BITTERSWEET ENDING! >> *hugs back* Also there are too many people who'd want a happy ending that if they really did change them (unlikely) they'll give us something at least somewhat happy... And on the subject of the whole relationship thing, they're traveling through freaking space, what the hell does he expect them to do? Just sit there and read a magazine? They've got the time between when they hit the Mass Relay, and the time they arrize at Cronos Station, particularly since you have to travel through Dark Space to reach it... <_<

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Well, I think I ended up spraining my ankle while tripping over a street curb today. Probably won't be able to walk properly for a couple of days. Leaves me even more time to be stuck at my computer. Hope you guys enjoy the added company. (yes it's possible for me to somehow spend even more time in this thread than before, lol.)

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Phoenix NL wrote...

If Bioware turned around and said that they were going to rework the ending or provide additional options based on our feedback but that it was going to take x number of months, I could live with that, I would support them through that.
I'm a reasonably intelligent person and I don't appreciate basically being told that I'm too stupid to understand how amazing their ending is so for those of us who are challenged in the appreciation of artistic integrity they will provide "clarity". But I will live in hope and see what they come up with.


That would be the best they could do- just as i said: I fear, that anaything they do (rush?) now might further go into the wrong direction.
But i dont think they did what they did, like insulting the players' intelligence with their strange explanation for the villains' motives and the plotholes, on full purpose. I get the feeling they in fact were not fully aware of what they were doing, and maybe they aren't stil.

They really are convinced by heart that they made one of the greatest games ever (which is 99 % true), und thus cannot comprhend yet how people could react like THAT on the endings, although they expected some "unhappy" players.

They'd need more time now than until summer to do it right....

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Nharia1 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Looking back like two pages I see we had an attack from an underbridger? Or was he just going off on the happy ending people? Also where's my goddamned root beer Major Swift!

No he wasn't an underbridger, just felt that a happy ending would be inappropriate within the context of the game which is fair enough - I just didn't agree with all of his points. Image IPB

*hugs* how are you this morning?


Eh... Kinda odd since a happy ending could work, in threoy, but it would have to be set like a year after the entire thing for it to really work... Like Shep is standing at a monument, then turns and walks away with her LI or something... Actually that's kind bittersweet... SEE WHAT I DID BW I JUST GAVE YOU A BITTERSWEET ENDING! >> *hugs back* Also there are too many people who'd want a happy ending that if they really did change them (unlikely) they'll give us something at least somewhat happy... And on the subject of the whole relationship thing, they're traveling through freaking space, what the hell does he expect them to do? Just sit there and read a magazine? They've got the time between when they hit the Mass Relay, and the time they arrize at Cronos Station, particularly since you have to travel through Dark Space to reach it... <_<


ever seen the episode "epilogue" from stargate Universe? i strongly recommend it, something like that episode would have been the perfect way to close the series. 

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Phoenix NL wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Okay, guess it was just a matter of time till someone would come up with this...

Oh god... why did I watch the whole thing?

Because you loved the song?


No all wrong, because its still a better ending then Mass Effect 3 <_<

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Nharia1 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Looking back like two pages I see we had an attack from an underbridger? Or was he just going off on the happy ending people? Also where's my goddamned root beer Major Swift!

No he wasn't an underbridger, just felt that a happy ending would be inappropriate within the context of the game which is fair enough - I just didn't agree with all of his points. Image IPB

*hugs* how are you this morning?


Eh... Kinda odd since a happy ending could work, in threoy, but it would have to be set like a year after the entire thing for it to really work... Like Shep is standing at a monument, then turns and walks away with her LI or something... Actually that's kind bittersweet... SEE WHAT I DID BW I JUST GAVE YOU A BITTERSWEET ENDING! >> *hugs back* Also there are too many people who'd want a happy ending that if they really did change them (unlikely) they'll give us something at least somewhat happy... And on the subject of the whole relationship thing, they're traveling through freaking space, what the hell does he expect them to do? Just sit there and read a magazine? They've got the time between when they hit the Mass Relay, and the time they arrize at Cronos Station, particularly since you have to travel through Dark Space to reach it... <_<

Yep I'm totally with you on this one. I just didn't want to get into an argument about it. There should be a variety of choices and he can choose not to have a happy ending while those of who do want a happy ending can have one.

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g_bassi13 wrote...

Well, I think I ended up spraining my ankle while tripping over a street curb today. Probably won't be able to walk properly for a couple of days. Leaves me even more time to be stuck at my computer. Hope you guys enjoy the added company. (yes it's possible for me to somehow spend even more time in this thread than before, lol.)

Aww poor you it's just not your month huh? Will some Image IPB help?

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g_bassi13 wrote...

Well, I think I ended up spraining my ankle while tripping over a street curb today. Probably won't be able to walk properly for a couple of days. Leaves me even more time to be stuck at my computer. Hope you guys enjoy the added company. (yes it's possible for me to somehow spend even more time in this thread than before, lol.)


Ouch, I know that feel :( Hope your ankle recovers soon!

#79585
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At least 7 cups of coffee a day will get you better in no time :P

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Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Well, this would definitely made a better ending...

I need to dance with someone now. *jittery*

lol this is true power....

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To the person who answered my Question a thanks.My net dropped right after I posted and stayed off till now.The joys of living in the middle of no and where.Talk to you all later this evening.Hold your wallet!(and the Line!)

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Mokiki wrote...

@g_bassi

At least 7 cups of coffee a day will get you better in no time :P

Will try, and report back with the results.

And to CoolioThane and Phoenix NL, thanks.

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g_bassi13 wrote...
Will try, and report back with the results.

And to CoolioThane and Phoenix NL, thanks.


Since I forgot to add any kind of disclaimer. Am I liable for resulting injuries?

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Mokiki wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...
Will try, and report back with the results.

And to CoolioThane and Phoenix NL, thanks.


Since I forgot to add any kind of disclaimer. Am I liable for resulting injuries?

If that happens just show a video of the ME3 endings and all else will be forgotten Image IPB

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Actually I just wanted to suggest he would get one of those fancy emergency induction ports. :P

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Bionic Weapon wrote...


Great examples, GTA really did that well. It was a victory but look what it cost.


Another example is Max Payne. Heck both games had victorious yet tragic endings, yet Max lived though it. Now he's one character where death would not be an issue. That man is messed up, however even he deserves to move on with his life at some point.


Never played Max Payne, though from what I heard the must be pretty good. Right now, I'll probably wait for the additional content for "The Witcher 2", since I already own Assassins of Kings. Definitely among the best games I bought last year. Never regeretted the purchase. The characters are pretty fun and well done. Geralt, Zoltan, Dandelion and Triss. Oh and in The Witcher 1 Kalkstein. Gave me a lot of laughs.

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Mokiki wrote...

Actually I just wanted to suggest he would get one of those fancy emergency induction ports. :P

With a scalding hot drink. Are you crazy?

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g_bassi13 wrote...

With a scalding hot drink. Are you crazy?


No! Well maybe bot those emergency induction ports come in a wide range of colors :(

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hey - how's going on the line? (could not be here, had to visite relatives for the last few days (i always do on the easter holidays...) and was tired when i came home!)

is there anything new? did they put out a real statement and not that "it's our art and you monkeys just can't comprehend it - well we will explain it to you, very slowly!" crap they try to sell to us ATM?

well, back on the line and staying!

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 10 avril 2012 - 12:29 .


#79597
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In the Toronto Star today the Toronto Maple Leafs took out a full page ad to apologize for dropping the end of the current season.

That begs the question. What makes Bioware an exception for the bad ME3 endings?

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Ohpus wrote...

In the Toronto Star today the Toronto Maple Leafs took out a full page ad to apologize for dropping the end of the current season.

That begs the question. What makes Bioware an exception for the bad ME3 endings?

They didn't use the excuse of artistic integrity??

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Nharia1 wrote...

Looking back like two pages I see we had an attack from an underbridger? Or was he just going off on the happy ending people? Also where's my goddamned root beer Major Swift!

lol sorry fell asleep :P *gives you a case of root beer*
and i wouldn't say he was one of those, just didn't think a happy ending would work (didnt agree) i posted the sam wise quote and left him to his opinion/respected it lol

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Mokiki wrote...

@g_bassi

At least 7 cups of coffee a day will get you better in no time :P


Ahahahahaha when I went to sleep last night you were talking about seven cups of coffee. I jump back in this thread and you're still talking about seven cups of coffee! :lol:


Think I am going a little mad with being here. Last night I dreamt that this forum was a physical community, with rooms and corridors and people there in person. <_<

Gonna skim back through stuff in a minute but gotta say I'm glad the billboard thing has been suspended. No offence intended to those who supported it, I just don't think it's a good idea.

Modifié par evisneffo, 10 avril 2012 - 12:51 .