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[GodWood]

Badpie wrote...
Why does everything have to be either happily ever after or everything sucks? Can't it be a mixture of the two? Can't we have considerable losses both personal and on a galactic scale and still come out of it with some sense of hope or something?

But that's what is is.

There has been considerable losses (Shepard among them) but in the end there is still hope and the galaxy lives on.

It's not like theres only one ending and it's the Reapers winning.

BobSmith101 wrote...
Those endings are fixed. These multiple endings are just wasting your time as player. I don't mind the endings being bleak. I do mind scanning for crap and raising GR when it's effectively meaningless.

It's not meaningless. You saved the galaxy, and depending on how much **** you did you saved more lives.

[Kanmuru]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I am actually okay with this. The perfect response to all the ****ing & whining on BSN

[Cyricsservant101]

BobSmith101 wrote...

GodWood wrote..
For you maybe.

I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

Those endings are fixed. These multiple endings are just wasting your time as player. I don't mind the endings being bleak. I do mind scanning for crap and raising GR when it's effectively meaningless.

This.  I was fine with RDR's ending for the reasons stated.

[Aramintai]

GodWood wrote...
I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

You can have these "satisfying" endings, there are a dozen of them apparently, but many others want just 1 one of them to be that cookie cutter. If BW made so many "different" kick in the pants endings why not make this one too - that way all the audience will be satisfied with the product they've bought, not just some part of it. And believe me, those who wish for a more happy ending are the majority.

[magnuskn]

cerberus1701 wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

If this is true, then I'm going to do to BioWare what I did to the Wachowski Bros. when I saw the end of Matrix Revolutions: cut them off. I'll be done with BioWare for good because having only bad endings is so... self-absorbed on the part of the writers. It's the same principle that doomed the writing for DA2. That whole "This is the story we want to tell, regardless of if it translates well," bull**** that I have seen since "Lost"....

So I'm guessing Misery is one of your favorite films?

You know, the one where Kathy Bates, a longtime fan, holds the author hostage until he tells the story SHE wants told?

Yeah, let's compare mutilation and murder to withholding your money from a product you don't like. I'm sure that scale and relation is totally compatible!

But here you are, all ticked off with, "How dare YOU, the WRITER, tell the story YOU want told?"


Miss the point much?

Dude, you compared being ticked off at only being offered bad endings and saying that they will not buy further BioWare products with a novel where the protagonist crushes a writers legs and threatens to kill him. Don't you think that your comparison was kinda out of scale with what hitorihanzo said?

And, I've said it before in this and the other thread, the writers at BioWare can write whatever they want. However, if they expect me to continue paying for their products, maybe they should take into account that their audience is not nearly completely made up of people who love depressing endings. Since apparently that isn't a concern of theirs anymore ( I guess they are very confident that they can alienate their fanbase and still keep their positions at EA after sales tank for the next games ), why should I keep up my support for them?

But, hey, keep up your crusade to tell everybody who hates those endings how they better shut up and eat their soup! That is the best way to build loyalty to a company, right? Right?!?

[Badpie]

Mass Effect 3 can be a game that tears me apart emotionally. I'm expecting it to. But that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it, particularly if I have the hope that in the end, the good guys win and Shepard finally gets a break or something. The dude has been through so much.

I want to enjoy the game and the story, not suffer through it.

[PyroByte]

Aramintai wrote...

<_<

PyroByte wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

Is that a 'you'd refuse to buy it' or is there evidence to suggest that they simply won't?

At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

Of course, that was last year. 

Hang onto your Mass Effect 3 saves

BioWare suggests you should not delete your Mass Effect save files when
you complete the final game in the trilogy next month. "It wouldn't be a
bad idea (to keep your ME3 saves)" said Associate Producer Mike Gamble
in an interview with GamerZines. "Obviously I can't say anything, but it
wouldn't be a bad idea..." www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/03/hang-onto-your-mass-effect-3-saves.aspx

and another source:

[...]
He added, "It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves. The future is wide open."
[...]
www.play.tm/news/34721/mass-effect-series-will-go-on-probably/

Uh huh <_< It probably just means DLC. The question is - more pre-ending DLC or some post-ending DLC. I'm betting on the former, since it was stated that the end is final and wrapped up <_< And with all these ****ty endings I'm not sure how they can make ME4 - without mass effect tech it won't be a Mass Effect game, and with "merge" ending it's even worse, don't even want to think about it.

I'm taking it more as a hint that they plan on post-ending dlc, since casey hudson already said something about a long time dlc plan for mass effect 3. See here www.computerandvideogames.com/336341/bioware-teases-really-good-mass-effect-3-dlc-plan/

[Kanmuru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

GodWood wrote..
For you maybe.

I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

Those endings are fixed. These multiple endings are just wasting your time as player. I don't mind the endings being bleak. I do mind scanning for crap and raising GR when it's effectively meaningless.

meaningless? If you dont get enough War Assets Earth will get REEEEALY f'ed up. There are consequences in this game...

[scotkrow]

What if depending on how well you do you have different sets of options at the end, someone back about 10-15 pages said someone played it and saved, then made every choice possible one after the other, what if they didn't have the best outcome and only had negative choices, or better yet, what if, oh I don't know... WE HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME AND HAVE NO IDEA AND NEED TO SHUT UP, GET THE GAME AND PLAY IT FOR OUT SELVES TO FIND OUT!!!!

[Geirahod]

GodWood wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
For every ONE bittersweet or tragic ending there's a million happy, fairy-tale, twoo-wuv saves the day endings.

Oh, I strongly disagree with this.  I could name half a dozen pieces of fiction I've experienced in the past couple of months that have crap sack world endings, or the hero sacrificing themself or losing.

This does not contradict what I said.

Yes, many cynical endings exist but for every one of them there's a billion happy, fappy ones.

Some of those games have already been mentioned in this thread, like Infamous 2 and FF13-2.  It's not all that original, it's not that clever, and it rarely if ever feels rewarding. 

For you maybe.

I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

And what's the problem with the "shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI"?? Uh? it feels unrealistic? or what?
This is a sci-fi fantasy game, happy endings can exist where the hero defeats the bad guys and end up living the rest of his days with his beloved one...
We don't have the right to have an ending like that just because some might find it unsatisfactory???  

This really doesn't seem right...

[Aramintai]

Badpie wrote...

Mass Effect 3 can be a game that tears me apart emotionally. I'm expecting it to. But that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it, particularly if I have the hope that in the end, the good guys win and Shepard finally gets a break or something. The dude has been through so much.

I want to enjoy the game and the story, not suffer through it.

I agree. Screw the galaxy, Shep deserves a good ending for himself for all the trouble he's been through.

[Olueq]

Kanmuru wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

GodWood wrote..
For you maybe.

I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

Those endings are fixed. These multiple endings are just wasting your time as player. I don't mind the endings being bleak. I do mind scanning for crap and raising GR when it's effectively meaningless.

meaningless? If you dont get enough War Assets Earth will get REEEEALY f'ed up. There are consequences in this game...

**** earth.

[Badpie]

While the "good" ending of defeating the Reapers was always the main goal of the story, it's not really what the story is about. The story is about your Shepard and the people surrounding him. Without that personal investment in Shepard and an interest in a somewhat satisfying ending personally for Shepard, the entire story misses the mark.

Oh we saved the world? That's great. Super. That's exactly the only thing I cared about....

I don't feel like victory should leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Finally after hundreds of hours playing this game, waiting to finish it.....hooray I won?  Sure doesn't feel like it...

Modifié par Badpie, 28 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[GodWood]

Aramintai wrote...
You can have these "satisfying" endings, there are a dozen of them apparently, but many others want just 1 one of them to be that cookie cutter. If BW made so many "different" kick in the pants endings why not make this one too - that way all the audience will be satisfied with the product they've bought, not just some part of it.

Because that's not how the world works, and clearly Bioware wants to [suddenly] adhere to this.

I know many fans like to perpetuate the idea that the series is about "choice" therefore they should be able to choose to have their happy ending. But really, that's ridiculous. There IS choice, there's six endings based on all of your choices. The thing is just because there is choice that doesn't mean you can have your cake and eat it too.

Badpie wrote...
I want to enjoy the game and the story, not suffer through it.

Welcome to the world of a Cerberus fan.

[ratzerman]

Badpie wrote...
A 2 hour movie is one thing, but how much time have all of us invested in this story that has continually hit on all the right emotional keystrokes. We have an active role in it, and I feel like taken that away from us now at the end would be, well....just f*cking mean, man.

Couldn't agree more.

[adneate]

GodWood wrote...
It's not meaningless. You saved the galaxy, and depending on how much **** you did you saved more lives.

Yet in fiction in order from the audience to care about something you have to set it up and make them care about it. I don't care about the galaxy in this game since it's full of one attribute blank slates with generically generated faces standing in place forever. I don't care and have no reason to care about any of these "characters", it's like if at the end of the movie every character they had dies then they cut to some people you've never seen being alive.

Who cares!? I don't feel anything a bunch of strangers are living somewhere, emotionally the audience is with the dead people and being dead sucks.

[magnuskn]

Badpie wrote...

While the "good" ending of defeating the Reapers was always the main goal of the story, it's not really what the story is about. The story is about your Shepard and the people surrounding him. Without that personal investment in Shepard and an interest in a somewhat satisfying ending personally for Shepard, the entire story misses the mark.

Oh we saved the world? That's great. Super. That's exactly the only thing I cared about....

This. For me, both things are important, but I put the personal story and relationships of Shepard before the rest.

Apparently that is badwrongfun! now. Only people who love depressing endings get to be happy and they get to tell us what bad people we are for asking for a less depressing option. Yay, exactly what I was hoping for with ME3.

[Sashimi_taco]

What i don't understand is if all the marketing is about saving earth, why are you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the end?

[scotkrow]

It's the only thing Shepard cares about and if Shepard reaches his/her goal, that makes me happy for Shepard, even if he/she doesn't get a happy ending afterwords. Also, PLAY THE ****ING GAME AND FIND OUT THE ENDING FOR YOURSELF INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF LAME ****S WHO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN MAKE UP SAD ENDINGS AND ****** OFF FANS!!!

[yoshibb]

Aramintai wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I find an ending like Reach's or Red Dead's infinitely more satisfying then a cookie cutter fanfap ending like "Shepard saves the galaxy and marries his LI" and the billion other endings like it.

You can have these "satisfying" endings, there are a dozen of them apparently, but many others want just 1 one of them to be that cookie cutter. If BW made so many "different" kick in the pants endings why not make this one too - that way all the audience will be satisfied with the product they've bought, not just some part of it. And believe me, those who wish for a more happy ending are the majority.

This. Just one ending where after the player works his/her ass off, does all side quests, MP, makes the right choices, and pounds his/her way to the end that they are rewarded with a satisfactory ending. If you don't want that, fine, you've got ten other endings to choose from. I just want one where Shepard is rewarded for all the horrible **** he/she has been through over the past three years. Just one where Shep can live out the rest of his days with the people he/she loves.

[Elegana]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What i don't understand is if all the marketing is about saving earth, why are you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the end?

Shepard isn't stranded in the middle of nowhere, the Normandy Crew is (which is even more confusing since aren't they fighting the Reapers on Earth?). Somehow, the Citadel gets transported NEAR earth, which Shepard on it. From there, you make your choice. 

[Jackal7713]

mariatea wrote...

Liedral wrote...

How about you jump to your conclusions on the ending once the game is released and not based on a script leak that is months old? Personally, bioWare would be shooting itself in the foot if there was no "happy" ending.

The point is.... there's new leak, which is less than day old. And according to this no there are NO happy endings, no matter how hard you try.

WTF? After working so hard and caring about this charaters and the choices we made, we don't get the ending we worked so hard for? Bioware, I'm a big fan of your games but if this is true, I'm very disapointed.

[Elegana]

scotkrow wrote...

It's the only thing Shepard cares about and if Shepard reaches his/her goal, that makes me happy for Shepard, even if he/she doesn't get a happy ending afterwords. Also, PLAY THE ****ING GAME AND FIND OUT THE ENDING FOR YOURSELF INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF LAME ****S WHO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN MAKE UP SAD ENDINGS AND ****** OFF FANS!!!

You should take your own advice. You are wasting energy and getting riled up. 

[Badpie]

If they really wanted the entire story to be about nothing but the end result stopping the Reapers at all cost they could have made this a first person shooter with a faceless, nameless protagonist and 2 dimensional npc.

The story is Shepard's story, by their own admission. And the entire point of it is that there are important things to him. Not just defeating the Reapers.

Why, as writers, groom us to care so much about Shepard, the other characters and the relationships and emotional investments when in the end those things aren't important. What's "important" is simply "defeating the Reapers"? I don't think so.

[Balancer]

Elegana wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What i don't understand is if all the marketing is about saving earth, why are you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the end?

Shepard isn't stranded in the middle of nowhere, the Normandy Crew is (which is even more confusing since aren't they fighting the Reapers on Earth?). Somehow, the Citadel gets transported NEAR earth, which Shepard on it. From there, you make your choice. 

yea, that has me wondering as well thats one of the things that stinks with the endings. í mean the fight is at the local cluster why the hell would the normandy be elsewere?