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[Nerevar-as]

XX55XX wrote...

Oh, I know, I just want to give Bioware one final chance. If they fail, I return the game and lose nothing, then pick it up for $15 in a couple of months. If not, then I'll have saved myself the hassle of trying to find a PC copy at Gamestop.

Lol, despite all of the disappointment, you still want to play this game. That's why boycotts never work - the fans complain and complain - yet they eat it all up anyways, without heeding to the principles called for by a boycott.

Just wait. It will be easier on your credit card statement.

Well, it´s the end and want to go through it after all this time, although I´ll probably regret it with the Normandy Wallbanger and Deus Ex (in all senses) resolutions. Remember there would be no Reaper off button? Look at the red ending and it´s synthetic off one. AFAIK, FTL still works, and Reaper retroingineering might improve it a lot. Nomandy crew forming a colony (if that´s what happens) may be nightmare fuel, how many crew and especially women are onboard?

After ME3 I´ll stay away from anything Walters is a main writer in, and be very careful with Dragon Age, while what I´ve read of Asunder gives some hope, Laidlaw´s and co comments don´t.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

mulder1199 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

The SA guy said the old man and child couldn't have been a descendents of the Normandy crew since that part triggers irregardless of the ending. He didnt say that they landed on a formed colony.

Normandy hatch always opens. Ergo some of the crew survive even if your squaddies don't. They just don't show some random redshirt climbing out  that's all.

the guy who PLAYED THE ****ING GAME said it looked like they were all dead...

Tank said the hatch opens but nobody comes out.  You don't see bodies.  Doors don't open by themselves though.

Also, the epiologue playing no matter what might not even be right at this point given that flashbacks aren't right either and only show Liara no matter what you do.  Hard to tell really.

yes the patch will fix the LI thing, and perhaps something with an ending....it's 265mb somebody said that is big...

Consider:

The Hammerhead DLC for ME2 consists of about 490 MB. When you factor in the content that adds, if this is 256 or 265 MB, it also should add a fairly decent amount of material--consider that it almost certainly does not contain extra missions, only bug fixes and cutscenes (?).

File fixes for multiplayer would be quite small, Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties consisted of around 800 MB total, and that was a full-blown expansion pack for an RTS. Multiplayer fixes would pertain to very simple stuff, such as text documents and the like.

[Radahldo]

So the issues here seem to be:

A.) the epilogue doesn't exactly acknowledge the Robot-Eden ending, nor makes sense with the ending in which everyone appears to dis; B.) the epilogue triggering may be a result of an error; C.) whether this is simply a different planet in an time in the future where Shepard is a folk-tale.

I don't know if this is something we can reason through?

[panamakira]

[quote]Kanmuru wrote...
Apparently the Normandy crashed on a formed colony, the SA guy said the scene with the child comes up even if everyone on the Normandy is dead, that means there is an active colony there already (and no ned for incest)...

And since most colonies had no problems having aliens living together, dextro food probably wont be a problem...

But im sure that's not enough to stop the ****ing, is it?[/quote]

[/quote]

Well I really hope there is another colony where they crash. It brighten things a little bit for me. Not much to be honest.

[XX55XX]

You see your own argument is exactly what I wrote? YOUR choice throughout the series was suppose to matter - that was encourage and pushed by BW themselves through TWO games. The L1s were also as I wrote an important part of this story as well - BW put them there and gave us the videos themselves. These are also our choice from ME1 to 3 - as were how we palyed and the choices we made - all encouraged by BW themselves. Even marketing for ME3 continued this approach by BW themselves - yet in what we know of the leaks - our choices did NOT matter in the slightest. ALL our choice. So to that I totally agree with you and I was only attempting to say the same using other methods.

Yeah, I said it rather matter of factly, without the same amount of emotion.

Regardless of you say, can't you admit that BioWare, through amazing characters like Liara and Garrus, has injected a little joy into your dull life? I am glad that BioWare is one of the few studios who understand that good writing (at least for characters) is important to making a player feel engaged with the game.

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

Modifié par XX55XX, 02 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Risselda]

Radahldo wrote...

So the issues here seem to be:

A.) the epilogue doesn't exactly acknowledge the Robot-Eden ending, nor makes sense with the ending in which everyone appears to dis; B.) the epilogue triggering may be a result of an error; C.) whether this is simply a different planet in an time in the future where Shepard is a folk-tale.

I don't know if this is something we can reason through?

tbh C sounds like the most reasonable answer, considering all the retconning.
Which just ruined the other games for me

[Chrillze]

What I have heard about the ending with the normandy crew it kinda reminds me of the ending to Inception, It's all about how you Interpret it.

[Unit-Alpha]

XX55XX wrote...

I remember you back in the Liara thread years ago, Unit-Alpha. Maybe that's why your name looked so familiar.

Oh well, it's been a great ride. Even though BioWare has disappointed us here and there, they still know how to rile a forum community up. I've got my popcorn ready for next Thursday, when the nerdrage comes streaming in. I'll try to help people rationalize this ending.

Yeah, probably because I was the guy who runs the Liara fan group, and I was a bit more invested in the game back then, up until a few days ago. Now I think I've been sufficiently desensitized to the end where I'll be able to stand it when I pick it up sometime in the future.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[CaptainChip]

XX55XX wrote...

You see your own argument is exactly what I wrote? YOUR choice throughout the series was suppose to matter - that was encourage and pushed by BW themselves through TWO games. The L1s were also as I wrote an important part of this story as well - BW put them there and gave us the videos themselves. These are also our choice from ME1 to 3 - as were how we palyed and the choices we made - all encouraged by BW themselves. Even marketing for ME3 continued this approach by BW themselves - yet in what we know of the leaks - our choices did NOT matter in the slightest. ALL our choice. So to that I totally agree with you and I was only attempting to say the same using other methods.

Yeah, I said it rather matter of factly, without the same amount of emotion.

Regardless of you say, can't you admit that BioWare, through amazing characters like Liara and Garrus, has injected a little joy in your dull life? I am glad that BioWare is one of the few studios who understand that good writing (at least for characters) is important making a player feel engaged with the game.

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

There's a difference between "not everyone is saved" and "almost everyone in the galaxy is doomed".

[Nerevar-as]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Like these endings or not, it could still be worse.

http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1

Pfff. Ridley Scott did worse to Alien and BR (IMHO, if a film didn´t need a twist ending, it was this one. The contrast between Roy and Deckard fails if both are replicants) and still has credit after so many bad films. Peter Jackson would include really stupid moments and character stupidity to add innecessary drama (wait, that´s already covered in the game endings), and Bay would fill every non-fighting scene with bad jokes only he enjoys.

[Weltenschlange]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

That's cool. Maybe you should take a break from BioWare in general. I took a sabbatical from these forums a year ago for six months and it helped me get over the disappointment of DA2. At least I know that ME3 won't be nearly as disappointing. 

I did, I've been gone since LotSB. And I really hope not.

I personally didn't think that the DA2 ending was that bad, simply because its frustrating inevitability fits the overall tone of story.

Giving the Mass Effect space opera a Deus Ex (the dystopian game) ending just seems weird to me.

But I'm still gonna play the full game to see for myself.
Right now I'm just pre-raging.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

[XX55XX]

CaptainChip wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

You see your own argument is exactly what I wrote? YOUR choice throughout the series was suppose to matter - that was encourage and pushed by BW themselves through TWO games. The L1s were also as I wrote an important part of this story as well - BW put them there and gave us the videos themselves. These are also our choice from ME1 to 3 - as were how we palyed and the choices we made - all encouraged by BW themselves. Even marketing for ME3 continued this approach by BW themselves - yet in what we know of the leaks - our choices did NOT matter in the slightest. ALL our choice. So to that I totally agree with you and I was only attempting to say the same using other methods.

Yeah, I said it rather matter of factly, without the same amount of emotion.

Regardless of you say, can't you admit that BioWare, through amazing characters like Liara and Garrus, has injected a little joy in your dull life? I am glad that BioWare is one of the few studios who understand that good writing (at least for characters) is important making a player feel engaged with the game.

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

There's a difference between "not everyone is saved" and "almost everyone in the galaxy is doomed".

People have been doomed before. Remember the Holocaust? There was no Commander Shepard to save Russian POWs, former SPD deputies, Communists, homosexuals, and Jews from the gas chamber before the Allies arrived. 

And by the time the Allies reached places like Buchenwald and Ravensbruck, it was too late. 

Modifié par XX55XX, 02 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Nerevar-as]

How big were the fix patches for ME2?

[XX55XX]

Nerevar-as wrote...

How big were the fix patches for ME2?

Less than 100mb.

[Capeo]

Radahldo wrote...

So the issues here seem to be:

A.) the epilogue doesn't exactly acknowledge the Robot-Eden ending, nor makes sense with the ending in which everyone appears to dis; B.) the epilogue triggering may be a result of an error; C.) whether this is simply a different planet in an time in the future where Shepard is a folk-tale.

I don't know if this is something we can reason through?

Yeah, there may be some serious flagging issues right now, hence the day 1 patch.  We know the LI flashbacks aren't flagged right at the moment so there's no telling what else isn't either.  It is odd too that epilogue, which there is only one of on the disc, doesn't seem to show the synergy ending results.  Of course the image is pretty low res right now.  If you look at the Synergy pics Xio posted you can see glowing "circuitry" on Joker's hand and supposedly his eyes are glowing too.

[Asenza]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I hate to say this but if they do another singleplayer Mass Effect series, if this is gonna be the direction, they may as well just make a linear story from start to finish without any choices and put all the focus into telling the best story ever with some top end writers. Sure let people still talk to characters and ask different questions on the ship, but beyond that linear story, no choices. Because that seems to be what Bioware wants now.

Sadly, this seems all too apparent. I concur.

[jlb524]

Radahldo wrote...
So the issues here seem to be:

A.) the epilogue doesn't exactly acknowledge the Robot-Eden ending, nor makes sense with the ending in which everyone appears to dis; B.) the epilogue triggering may be a result of an error; C.) whether this is simply a different planet in an time in the future where Shepard is a folk-tale.

I don't know if this is something we can reason through?

The epilogue implies that the people on the planet depicted aren't capable of any kind of space travel.

But...I think even in the 'Destroy' ending, FTL would still be possible...I don't know...I'll go with 'C'.

And yeah, the epilogue doesn't acknowledge the 'Robot-Eden' ending by showing a different type of life form in place of humanity...that's a bit odd.  

Modifié par jlb524, 02 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rdubs wrote...

Witty_Remark wrote...

TL;DR: They said they didn't have to do this. If they don't have an ace up their sleeve, then they either lied to us or they over-hyped what was possible to do and probably don't feel that great about it anyway.

Yesterday a thread started up to compile all of the promises and hype they made about ME3 and its endings, then it was promptly closed without explanation once they discovered it.

They've been doing that with any thread that makes them uncomfortable by hitting too close to home.  See also, all the threads they locked down or deleted about Origin (spyware).  See also, the thread about modding in the demo, which was flatout "disappeared".

[Risselda]

Asenza wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I hate to say this but if they do another singleplayer Mass Effect series, if this is gonna be the direction, they may as well just make a linear story from start to finish without any choices and put all the focus into telling the best story ever with some top end writers. Sure let people still talk to characters and ask different questions on the ship, but beyond that linear story, no choices. Because that seems to be what Bioware wants now.

Sadly, this seems all too apparent. I concur.

Agreed. The endings wouldnt be -AS- terrible if the story were linear/ no choices.

[chuckles471]

Just a thought from a cynical mind.

If they are making a MMO, wouldn't it be good if there was a natural division between factions?

By destroying long range space travel won't that make seperate different parts of the galaxy? And when somebody figures out how to travel long range again.... WAR because they have been seperate for so long that the cultures or (if long enough) evolution have change them dramatically.

[wolf99000]

whats this talk about a special New Game+ ending is that anything that can fix this whole mess for us

[ciaweth]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

This.

[XX55XX]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Witty_Remark wrote...

TL;DR: They said they didn't have to do this. If they don't have an ace up their sleeve, then they either lied to us or they over-hyped what was possible to do and probably don't feel that great about it anyway.

Yesterday a thread started up to compile all of the promises and hype they made about ME3 and its endings, then it was promptly closed without explanation once they discovered it.

They've been doing that with any thread that makes them uncomfortable by hitting too close to home.  See also, all the threads they locked down or deleted about Origin (spyware).  See also, the thread about modding in the demo, which was flatout "disappeared".

Well, Origin isn't really spyware, but I can't see why they would shut down those other threads. The new ToS is just a cover for censorship. But, still, their site, their rules. 

I think we critics need to start our own site. Our own message board.