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[Fallenfromthesky]

xHezz90 wrote...

But....but that will add to their download amount and they might end up sticking with the crappy DLC.

*sigh* oh well it's not like I can make anyone not download stuff. *shrug*

The way I see it is theis DLC is just a few characters and maps I don't particularly care even though I enjoy MP. I'd rather hold off on the MP DLC and then if Extended cut is decent then i'll happily pay for MP as my faith may be restored.

on a side not peace out y'all gotta get up for work in 7 hours, last thing you want want is to coaching trampoline while sleep deprived

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Fox544 wrote...

We couldn't even get people to do that a week after release. Simple fact is people won't stop playing the MP and will make up excuses why they should be allowed to.

If my case I boycotted everything but downloaded the mp dlc to see if it made it enjoyable. It didn't. the store still has a crappy drop rate that gives me what I want 1/100th of the time and even with 2 new maps its still the same 3 enemies.

Also if we download a new MP expansion shouldn't everything be unlocked already? So in the future they're gonna release dlc at cost for the privilage to unlock what you paid for???

Yeah I guess you're right people have been playing MP like it doesn't add to their whole "Haha who cares about SP, we will make money from MP anyway"

I don't even need to boycott MP stuff since I can't stand it, and on principle I won't play it since it wasn't supposed to impact SP and it did.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'm sorry for being a horrible person :crying::crying: I couldn't help myslef, I'm being drawn back into the MP... Though I'm getting The Witcher 2 EE.. in a week... so I need something to do...

Pfft I knew you would download it you little masochist  *hugs*

Shhhh you're not supposed to tell everyone that~! *hugs back*

[MeldarthX]

Nharia1 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'm sorry for being a horrible person :crying::crying: I couldn't help myslef, I'm being drawn back into the MP... Though I'm getting The Witcher 2 EE.. in a week... so I need something to do...

Pfft I knew you would download it you little masochist  *hugs*

Shhhh you're not supposed to tell everyone that~! *hugs back*

LOL if you play MP like I do - just create characters like I did - ReTakeMe - expand the ending - etc.....

I got like 4 or 5 lol named that

[Cybermortis]

Computim wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Computim wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

*sigh* I thought we were boycotting downloading stuff until the Extended Cut.....

Boycotting BUYING stuff here.  I'll take freebies though 

Edit: Can't find it, it's free on XBLM now.. dunno where they found it at but it was on the official ME twitter there earlier.

when it first came out like 10-12 hours ago there was only the free version, and yea i thought the free things were fine lol

*puts on his tinfoil hat*... ahh well it's okay.. it's not like the 320pt one completely changed the ending and validated the Indoctrination Theory giving an epic ending that would have cemented ME3 as the best game of all time.

...or did it? 

Humm, interesting.

Wasn't the MP DLC leaked due to Microsoft accidently putting it up in the marketplace (or whatever it is called)? 

Since Microsoft rather clearly had the 'packaging' for the DLC a month ago, I'd guess that they didn't update their system to indicate that the DLC is now free. A simple error I would think, and certainly nothing to do with Bioware.

Of course I does make me wonder if someone at Microsoft doesn't like Bioware for some reason....

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

Shhhh you're not supposed to tell everyone that~! *hugs back*

Oohhh didn't know it was a secret 

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Cybermortis wrote...

Of course I does make me wonder if someone at Microsoft doesn't like Bioware for some reason....

Maybe they saw the ending and were trying to warn fans? 

[B33ker]

xHezz90 wrote...
But....but that will add to their download amount and they might end up sticking with the crappy DLC.

*sigh* oh well it's not like I can make anyone not download stuff. *shrug*

And therein lies part of the problem as to why we as consumers keep getting shafted by the big corporations.

Going without isn't easy, but it sends the strongest message possible, but people aren't willing to go without most of the time, so the corporations win pretty easy.

The strongest message we could send is to not download ANYTHING, even the free stuff, because it just adds to their database of numbers that they can then release to the press as proof that people are happy and the complainers are just a "minority".

Trust me, they're gonna take EA data seriously long before they take us seriously in the mainstream press.

I won't be touching the free EC DLC, since it just gives them more data to use against us if they need to.  At this point short of a biblical miracle, it's not going to be satisfactory anyway by just providing "explanations" like we were too stupid to understand the ending they gave us.

Want to send a message?  Don't play ME3 SP, dont play ME3 MP, don't download ANYTHING they offer, free or not, keep Origin offline and shut down on your PC.

I know most people won't do those things, but I can always hope. 

[Fox544]

xHezz90 wrote...

Yeah I guess you're right people have been playing MP like it doesn't add to their whole "Haha who cares about SP, we will make money from MP anyway"

I don't even need to boycott MP stuff since I can't stand it, and on principle I won't play it since it wasn't supposed to impact SP and it did.

Yeah I think its crap that it does impact SP that much. I really think BW should make it so your Galactic Readiness doesn't fall. At least that way people only have to play through the MP grind once instead of everytime. Also what happens when ME3 MP dies? How are people going to get the readiness up then?

[Darth Taurus]

I decided that I only will turn on my Origin again when they launch the "ending" DLC. For now I'm re-playing Diablo 2 and pre-downloading the Witchers 2 Enchanced Edition . Can't wait for 17th

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Shhhh you're not supposed to tell everyone that~! *hugs back*

Oohhh didn't know it was a secret 

*tackles and places hand over your mouth* The walls have ears~!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

B33ker wrote...

And therein lies part of the problem as to why we as consumers keep getting shafted by the big corporations.

Going without isn't easy, but it sends the strongest message possible, but people aren't willing to go without most of the time, so the corporations win pretty easy.

The strongest message we could send is to not download ANYTHING, even the free stuff, because it just adds to their database of numbers that they can then release to the press as proof that people are happy and the complainers are just a "minority".

Trust me, they're gonna take EA data seriously long before they take us seriously in the mainstream press.

I won't be touching the free EC DLC, since it just gives them more data to use against us if they need to.  At this point short of a biblical miracle, it's not going to be satisfactory anyway by just providing "explanations" like we were too stupid to understand the ending they gave us.

Want to send a message?  Don't play ME3 SP, dont play ME3 MP, don't download ANYTHING they offer, free or not, keep Origin offline and shut down on your PC.

I know most people won't do those things, but I can always hope. 

See this is basically what I was trying to say, I'm just not as good as you guys at putting it into words lol.
Thank you 

[Computim]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

*tackles and places hand over your mouth* The walls have ears~!

*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

lol they did say they were going to end the story correct? oh and ive already written myself an ending, now im waiting on bioware to do the same

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Computim wrote...

magnetite wrote...
*snip*

...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

^^THIS^^

[Bionic Weapon]

Long post

Ok I just had an interesting conversation in Target about 30 minutes ago. I decided to wear my N7 shirt today, as a reminder of what we are doing here, and was stopped by another shopper who was an Mass Effect fan.

He asked was I for or against the endings, and I told him against. He said he was for and wanted to know why so many were against them.

So I spent the next 10 minutes telling him about how everything we thought I had done through out the entire series would have an impact on the end. How since the game is all about choices and consequences we expected them to play a role, and alot of that went out the window at the finale. I expected my Shepard to not act out of character and ask Catalyst Kid those questions and reject his ridiculous logic. I expected 16 different endings, not 16 with slight variations which in the end is only actually 3 with different scenarios for earth.

I did not expect it to end with my crew stranded on Garden of Eden 2 with squad mates that were with me in the final push. I did not expect my beloved pilot to abandon me since that is something he'd never do unless Shepard told him to and even then Joker would protest or maybe even (I'm not sure about this though) outright disobey Shepard in order to save him.

I then told him how everyone disappointed does NOT hate the game. Everything was amazing throughout. It was funny, heartbreaking, made you angry at your failure even though it was an inevitable one. We all felt the weight of this war and were invested in it, wanted to get in there and kick all sorts of arse, and those last 10 minutes made us forget about all of that. I asked him how is it that a game this great all of a sudden get it so wrong at the very end.

I then told him how I felt about the 3 choices we had and that I felt 2 of them were BS.

I wont go into too much detail but I pretty much said despite what Shepard may have said about TIm being right, he was NOT right and controlling the Reapers after all they had done to humanity and the other races why would I suddenly forget that and want to become their new master.

In synthesis I am making a decision to alter everyone. Losing sight of the fact that we are all different and now we are going to be the same? Wasn't that the reapers plan to merge synthetics and organics?

I also mentioned that someone on here (BSN) said that Saren had the same warped logic and thought this was a good idea.

Shepard said he'd rather die than be a slave and in away deciding to do what the Reapers set out to do makes him that. Doing their dirty work in a single wave of space magic. (he looked at me confused for that last bit) I mentioned a few more tidbits but told him that's the reason I hated it.

Then I asked him why he liked them, because I could never get a straight answer from anyone, and they all though I along with the people didn't like them were just too stupid to get it, and that there was no point because we would not understand them.

This is what he said (and I am dead serious)

He read reviews about the game which were all giving it praise and saying it concludes epically. Then when we started making noise and these review sites were saying we were entitled and selfish and a lot of other things (he forget artistic integrity) He figured that since they were professional game journalists, that they knew way more than we gamers did because they were closer to the industry. So he jumped on their side because they were professional. He never even stopped to look at the endings as a whole, he just took their word for it.

I told him he should never EVER listen to game journalists as factual info dispensers because even they get things wrong, and that he should really pay attention to the game. To think back to everything he had done and see whether or not he feels like he got duped in the end, and to also come on here and get an idea as to what the overall problem is.


He said he'd think about it.

So pretty much he only liked the endings because these "professional journalists" said we were wrong and he took that as fact, without looking at them for himself.

Made me hurt on the inside.

[Achaewa]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

Here we go again, dude you're preaching to a dead horse.

[Feraiin]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

If everyone dislikes the ending, it's probably not a very well-written ending.

The majority of us here are not upset because of an ending open to interpretation. There are wonderful examples of such endings.

What me and others dislike are the glaring plot-holes, abandoning of character and central plot-themes, abandoning of choice in favor of a forced artsy moral dilemma and little to no visible impact of the choices of the previous two games to the final outcome of the Reaper-Conflict.

We certainly don't expect to be spoon-fed. We simply expect BW to conclude ME3 with the same skill and standards they set for themselves in the other two games.

If you like the ending, you are certainly welcome to enjoy it. If you have come to your own headcanon explanation that makes sense to you, that's great.

And as for writing my own ending, we've probably all have some sort of continuation in our heads how the characters live on after all these events. 

But that doesn't excuse poor writing.

[-PG-Skyre]

Ladies and gentlemen, the competition winners have been chosen.
G_bassi13, Major Swift and CaptnObvious, check your BSN inbox.

Capt has won. He may be rewarded with the Splinter Cell series, of it he does not want them, he can change for a Runner-Up prize.

G_bassi is the Runner-Up winner. Winning the first Witcher game (Enhanced Edition).

Major Swift due to the work you put into your post, I will be offering you a Runner-Up reward as well (so 2 will be issued this weekend).


Congrats guys. and good posts.
You should notice that I stated no size limitation beyond "No one liners". Both G-Bassi and Major went far beyond what I had expected and for that, you both deserve something. If Capt does not want the Splinter Cell series (and either wants nothing, or the Witcher game) then the series shall be rewarded to G-Bassi.

Keep your eyes open, a competition awarding more of the first Witcher game will be out in another 2 weeks. With a final competition prize in a few months being *drum roll* The Witcher 2.

[Darth Taurus]

Computim wrote...

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

We paid for a product and the final chapter of this product was in disarcodance with the marketing campaing Bioware made. As consumers we have the right to complain if we buy a product different from the merchandise we saw. That's not disagree. It's our rights as consumers

[Major Swift]

Bionic Weapon wrote...
*snip*

damn journalists

Modifié par Major Swift, 10 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[B33ker]

Feraiin wrote...
If everyone dislikes the ending, it's probably not a very well-written ending.

The majority of us here are not upset because of an ending open to interpretation. There are wonderful examples of such endings.

What me and others dislike are the glaring plot-holes, abandoning of character and central plot-themes, abandoning of choice in favor of a forced artsy moral dilemma and little to no visible impact of the choices of the previous two games to the final outcome of the Reaper-Conflict.

We certainly don't expect to be spoon-fed. We simply expect BW to conclude ME3 with the same skill and standards they set for themselves in the other two games.

If you like the ending, you are certainly welcome to enjoy it. If you have come to your own headcanon explanation that makes sense to you, that's great.

And as for writing my own ending, we've probably all have some sort of continuation in our heads how the characters live on after all these events. 

But that doesn't excuse poor writing.

If your "epic ending" requires DLC to "explain" it, thats a pretty obvious indicator that you screwed up in getting your message across.

[Nephilim5]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

If a company offers a product that claims to perform certain functions, and that product does not deliver as promised, a consumer has the ability to exercise certain rights in recompense.  ME3 does not live up to the promises that the *company* made; therefore, I expect this to be addressed.

Furthermore, changing the subject (red herring) and flipping the point onto those who've been lied to not only doesn't address the issue, but serves as further illogical reasoning.