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[chmarr]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

*tackles and places hand over your mouth* The walls have ears~!

*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

~pops head out from under the bed holding a webcam in my right hand a microphone in my left and headphones on my head~

wait the walls have ears

[Darth Garrus]

Darth Taurus wrote...

We paid for a product and the final chapter of this product was in disarcodance with the marketing campaing Bioware made. As consumers we have the right to complain if we buy a product different from the merchandise we saw. That's not disagree. It's our rights as consumers

A "placeholder" ending is not a decent ending. And frankly, the ending seemed as a "placeholder", just waiting for the release of the "true ending". It's not a fair business practice. Unless they told us that beforehand.

[MeldarthX]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

Already have but when said people of game - promise this will conclude Shepard's story - that all our decisions will matter etc.......and because of canon - they broke their own canon.......

And then turn a damn good game - game did have flaws - but most can be over looked because of great story telling - completely destroy the story cohesionness of the entire series......





HOLD THE LINE

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Feraiin wrote...

And as for writing my own ending, we've probably all have some sort of continuation in our heads how the characters live on after all these events. 

But that doesn't excuse poor writing.

You know I actually don't have my own sort of continuation of my own in my head, the ending frazzled my creativity with it's nonsense and I don't know how that can be extended without going to the horrible Indoc Theory 

Also I agree, none of this excuses bad writing, and that's what it was. IF Casey Hudson and Mac Walters (that is his name right?) did write it on their own, then they really need to start taking a step back from writing if they thought that was good lol.

[Computim]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Darth Taurus wrote...

We paid for a product and the final chapter of this product was in disarcodance with the marketing campaing Bioware made. As consumers we have the right to complain if we buy a product different from the merchandise we saw. That's not disagree. It's our rights as consumers

A "placeholder" ending is not a decent ending. And frankly, the ending seemed as a "placeholder", just waiting for the release of the "true ending". It's not a fair business practice. Unless they told us that beforehand.

That's honestly what I got from the endings.. I would have actually found it more acceptable if it had of loaded up and said "Ending Placeholder Cutscene - Paragon - Good Ending" and then turned out Bioware had messed up and forgot to include the ending ones on disc but were going to fix it... instead I got "Nope we intended the placeholders!  It's artistic integrity!" lol

[Jetfire99]

Computim wrote...

Breaking News: Looks like Bioware flubbed their PR attempt:

@MassEffect
Please DO NOT purchase the 320 pt. 'Resurgence Pack' consumable on XBL dash. This was erronously uploaded & we are working to take it down!

Guessing they had planned to charge 320pts for it.  So apparently that answers THAT question.  They're making the PR analysis way too easy for us these days.

Thank you for the free stuff though Bioware! 

So my hunch was right, I wonder what this will add to the mix. Now we have proof it very well was going to be Pay DLC.

[MeldarthX]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, the competition winners have been chosen.
G_bassi13, Major Swift and CaptnObvious, check your BSN inbox.

Capt has won. He may be rewarded with the Splinter Cell series, of it he does not want them, he can change for a Runner-Up prize.

G_bassi is the Runner-Up winner. Winning the first Witcher game (Enhanced Edition).

Major Swift due to the work you put into your post, I will be offering you a Runner-Up reward as well (so 2 will be issued this weekend).


Congrats guys. and good posts.
You should notice that I stated no size limitation beyond "No one liners". Both G-Bassi and Major went far beyond what I had expected and for that, you both deserve something. If Capt does not want the Splinter Cell series (and either wants nothing, or the Witcher game) then the series shall be rewarded to G-Bassi.

Keep your eyes open, a competition awarding more of the first Witcher game will be out in another 2 weeks. With a final competition prize in a few months being *drum roll* The Witcher 2.

There was a compitition?  I didn't know about this?  where's the cake??

[Bionic Weapon]

Major Swift wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...
*snip*

damn journalists

Right???

I didn't want to really get into that with him, but it really made me sad that he was willing to take their word for it instead paying attention to the game and what it did wrong in the end.

Then again maybe he was one of the gamers who played ME but never read the codex or paid attention to the dialouge in depth, thus the reason he was so willing to take their side. Most of the people upset seem to be those who pay attention to the series in detail. Who read everything they can on the lore and know it inside and out.

Didn't seem like he did that.

[Computim]

magnetite wrote...

Computim wrote...
...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

That's what I'm talking about. People can't seem to think for themselves. They want someone else to do it for them. When the ending DLC comes out, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who still hate it and will demand another ending, and another, and another. Why can't you guys use your imagination?

Why don't we just get Capcom to write the next Mass Effect script then?  Using your logic anyone could do it and end up with the same result.  Heck why bother playing games at all?  I mean if we can just make them up in our heads.

I can think for myself just fine, part of my intellect is knowing my strengths and weaknesses..  Writing/producing epic games would fall under a weakness... not knowing when to back down and pushing for what I believe is right, that's a strength.

Modifié par Computim, 10 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[-PG-Skyre]

MeldarthX wrote...

There was a compitition?  I didn't know about this?  where's the cake??

There will be another in 2 weeks. I tried to tell everyone I could, but unfortunantly I can't place advertisment banners on this website haha.

Better luck next time mate

[Darth Garrus]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

So, every time I write a bad or incomplete ending I can argue that people are lazy and can't interpret my genious or the "open to interpretation ending"?

Funny, I think it's the other way around. I think that's the excuse of the lazy. You put out anything, no matter how bad, and have your excuse ready to throw around, accusing others of being stupid and with no imagination. And if I'm not a genious writer, I'm certainly a business genious. I can sell my stuff and count on people to believe that I have a right to do lazy stuff, so that's their job to make sense of it. I can even promise them things and do other stuff. They still have to buy and not complaint. Genius!!!

But, hey. It's very easy. Why not?

[B33ker]

Some interesting reading if people didn't see it already.  Some replies by Allan Schumacher to a thread (BW employee who works on DA only apparently).  I didn't see this but with so many posts here flying in, I might have missed it, so sorry if its a repost.

http://social.biowar...x/11146046&lf=8

His second post in that thread is what caught my attention.

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Responding at the risk that my response somehow be interpreted as an "official" response....

As a show of good faith though, I'll share my thoughts.  It's important to note here that I finished the game probably around the 14th, so I had heard rumors about how bad the ending was so I went into it preparing for some awful stuff to happen, which made me innately more accepting of whatever it was I was about to see.


On the whole, I found the ending to be a let down compared to the rest of the game.  I think this is more of a reflection of how highly I thought of the rest of the game than anything else though.  Rannoch and Tuchanka were phenomenol, and the usage of the ME1 theme at those points brings me goosebumps just typing about it now.  So yeah, the ending wasn't up to the quality of the rest of the game.

The full post is longer at that link above.

[Nightfire78]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

*snip*

So pretty much he only liked the endings because these "professional journalists" said we were wrong and he took that as fact, without looking at them for himself.

Made me hurt on the inside.

The sad thing is he's probably not the only one

Feraiin wrote...

*snip*

If you like the
ending, you are certainly welcome to enjoy it. If you have come to your
own headcanon explanation that makes sense to you, that's great.

And
as for writing my own ending, we've probably all have some sort of
continuation in our heads how the characters live on after all these
events. 

But that doesn't excuse poor writing.

My continuation involves the entire ending not happening... It's a mythbusters situation: I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Thing is, just because I can pretend in my head that the broken oven didn't turn my roast into a lump of coal, doesn't make the roast any more edible or the oven less broken.

[Darth Garrus]

magnetite wrote...

Computim wrote...
...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

That's what I'm talking about. People can't seem to think for themselves. They want someone else to do it for them. When the ending DLC comes out, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who still hate it and will demand another ending, and another, and another. Why can't you guys use your imagination?

Oh, I get it. It's a "fill in the blanks" game. Right? I deliver something other than promised, something that just have a very abrupt ending, and say: "hey, don't you guys have an imagination? So, use it"!

And is it OK to sell it for you? Man, I'm gonna make a fortune with people like you. Thanks!!!

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 10 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

magnetite wrote...

That's what I'm talking about. People can't seem to think for themselves. They want someone else to do it for them. When the ending DLC comes out, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who still hate it and will demand another ending, and another, and another. Why can't you guys use your imagination?

My imagination is very good actually, but what would be the point in buying games if we could use our FREE imagination to make up anything we want?. BW are game developers they gave us an interactive story and then pulled choice (which is a huge part of the games) away at the end.

As for the DLC, I don't believe this DLC will fix anything at all...and it is most certainly NOT what anyone asked for, nobody at all here asked for "clarification" on the crap ending we already received.

[laughing sherpa girl]

::puts shotgun away :: looks like you guys got Mr write your own ending under control..

[Fox544]

Jetfire99 wrote...

Computim wrote...

Breaking News: Looks like Bioware flubbed their PR attempt:

@MassEffect
Please DO NOT purchase the 320 pt. 'Resurgence Pack' consumable on XBL dash. This was erronously uploaded & we are working to take it down!

Guessing they had planned to charge 320pts for it.  So apparently that answers THAT question.  They're making the PR analysis way too easy for us these days.

Thank you for the free stuff though Bioware! 

So my hunch was right, I wonder what this will add to the mix. Now we have proof it very well was going to be Pay DLC.

No shock to me. Then again from what I've seen 320 points is a rip off.

Modifié par Fox544, 10 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[CitizenSnips28]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

Edit: mobile phone auto correct plus typo leads to some very random sentences. >.<
People don't want spoon fed their specific desired ending. That's a strawman. If that were the case then why don't people go nuts and form huge Facebook groups for every games ending? After all with such divergent views, no game will end in a way that will please everyone and give everyone their specific desired ending. Since this has never happened before in my video gaming experience, at least to this extent, I'm pretty sure its safe to say somethings rotten in the ending and only a minority of players are spoon fed the ending they want.

Truth is, the ending is only vague in some areas. Its actually quite specific in others. Its specific in what the Reapers motivations are, turning them from cool unknowable space horrors to idiots with a questionable premise you're unable to debate in game. Even accepting their premise, there are a million ways to achieve their goals in decidedly less horrible ways. The game is very specific about the relays blowing up, which upturns the entire setting in ways that would be difficult to headcanon. Lastly the ending is very specific about the Normandy crashing on some planet. I think people would be able to stomach the ending much better if they had ACTUALLY left the ending ambiguous. I liked the ending to Inception. Even the ending to the Sopranos. I did not like this ending because the parts that are specific make for difficult head canoning.

Modifié par CitizenSnips28, 11 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[Fox544]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

I didn't pay real money to use my imagination. If I wanted to use my imagination I could have saved $80 bucks. Don't be so foolish to think they left it open so everyone could fill in the blanks on their own. They did it for sequels and DLC. Ohh and people are going to hate the ending DLC because its not what they asked for. BW is giving us the same ending just longer. If you hate the movie Twilight would an extended cut version 30min longer make it any better?

[-PG-Skyre]

Guys, just don't go overboard with magnetite. If you feel any post he makes annoys you or anything, just forget it.

That being said, magnetite, the ending is not "open". The fact that you were shown certain things (like the Relays and Joker crashing) means that paths have been chosen for you. That aspect removes the "open" ending possibility.
Also, there is a substantial difference between being able to see the ending and just day dream about it (although, lets face it, a lot of us do day dream a better ending anyways...). We'd like to see a better ending in ME3, a real ending, a good ending...an ending that the Mass Effect series deserves.

[CaptnObvious]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

There was a compitition?  I didn't know about this?  where's the cake??

There will be another in 2 weeks. I tried to tell everyone I could, but unfortunantly I can't place advertisment banners on this website haha.

Better luck next time mate

I tried to promote it :innocent:

But you know, it would've been useful to make a signature banner for the competition 

[TamiBx]

magnetite wrote...

If everyone dislikes the ending, write your own ending. Do you expect Bioware to do everything for you? They left the ending open, so we could interpret it in our own way instead of them telling us how it ends.

Almost sounds like you guys want a spoon fed ending where Bioware holds your hand and tells you how it should end. That's one of the cool things about writing stories. You might disagree with their ending for the story, but what's to stop you from writing your own? They provided you with the universe back story (the lore), so take that and write your own conclusion to the story.

Hahaha.

It's like telling me to watch a movie that ends in the middle so I can use my imagination for the rest. Imagine if Harry Potter had ended in book 6 and I had to imagine how the story ended...


And yes, I paid money to get the whole story, with a "spoon fed ending". And yes, I expect them to do everything for me, because they aren't my parents; they're not doing me a favor, since I'm a paying customer. This wasn't free, so I expect to get the whole story, not half of it. 

[Debi-Tage]

Darth Suetam wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Computim wrote...
...that's kinda what I pay them for... because they usually write way better than I could ever dream of.

That's what I'm talking about. People can't seem to think for themselves. They want someone else to do it for them. When the ending DLC comes out, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who still hate it and will demand another ending, and another, and another. Why can't you guys use your imagination?

Oh, I get it. It's a "fill in the blanks" game. Right? I deliver something other than promised, something that just have a very abrupt ending, and say: "hey, don't you guys have an imagination? So, use it"!

And is it OK to sell it for you? Man, I'm gonna make a fortune with people like you. Thanks!!!

Next time my nephew asks me for a video game, I'll be sure to buy him an empty case, that way he can imagine himself putting a disc in the console and then pick up his controler and imagine himself playing. I'm sure all that will go over real great at Christmas!

....fail.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

*tackles and places hand over your mouth* The walls have ears~!

*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

*puts it on* I'm totally sane~!