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[XX55XX]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

The ending isn't bad, it's a disaster. And again: This is a fictional game for entertainment, NOT real life. If I want ral life, I shut down my computer and go out of my room. I'm not interested in reclections (for that I have better options than a video game), but in escapism and entertainment.

Artist's license. Don't like it? Dump it, and buy someone else's work. 

The Witcher 2 is a pretty good alternative, by the way. 

[Elite Midget]

wolf99000 wrote...

whats this talk about a special New Game+ ending is that anything that can fix this whole mess for us

There has been no confirmation that a NG+ gives a new ending.

[Nerevar-as]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

[Tamuril24]

bioware if this is it then you just lost my love

[mulder1199]

[quote]DaftArbiter wrote...


yes the patch will fix the LI thing, and perhaps something with an ending....it's 265mb somebody said that is big...
[/quote]

Consider:

The Hammerhead DLC for ME2 consists of about 490 MB. When you factor in the content that adds, if this is 256 or 265 MB, it also should add a fairly decent amount of material--consider that it almost certainly does not contain extra missions, only bug fixes and cutscenes (?).

File fixes for multiplayer would be quite small, Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties consisted of around 800 MB total, and that was a full-blown expansion pack for an RTS. Multiplayer fixes would pertain to very simple stuff, such as text documents and the like.[/quote]

i'll take a few cut scenes with a good ending, some epilogue text.....

hudson can't keep spewing off interviews like in that venture article without something being in there we haven't seen yet

[Killjoy Cutter]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

The script was legit, but they said they'd changed portions of the things happening in it. I think folks just don't realize how serious war is when you're already dealing with a force this omnipotent. I think the ending, as far as we know about it from the available data, is perfectly realistic, and to be honest, I'm tired of the hollywood style endings where everybody lives and conquers the ridiculously powerful enemy with cheap deus ex machinas. In a war like this, there's bound to be sacrifices. If there is a magical seventh ending, however, that shows them al surviving as rumors claim, then it's definitely not going to be easy to get.

As opposed to the "look we're grown-up writers!" endings we're getting now, where it's just different versions of suck so that they can claim a "sophisticated" story... in which they defeat the goofy Lovecraftian spacegods with an 11th-hour deus ex machina McGuffin? 

They only needed the magic space McGuffin ending because they went the herpderp route and made the Reapers into spacegods, instead of the powerful and dangerous but in the end simply more technologically advanced threat that they were shown to be at the end of ME1... 

[XX55XX]

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

...but the galaxy gets another chance at life. That's pretty happy, right?

[Max Knight]

ciaweth wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

This.

i dont want happily ever after,personaly hate those too, but i laso dont want anynthin along the lines of everyone gest a shaft up thei colective buts it jus varies in size ending.

[Unit-Alpha]

XX55XX wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

The ending isn't bad, it's a disaster. And again: This is a fictional game for entertainment, NOT real life. If I want ral life, I shut down my computer and go out of my room. I'm not interested in reclections (for that I have better options than a video game), but in escapism and entertainment.

Artist's license. Don't like it? Dump it, and buy someone else's work. 

The Witcher 2 is a pretty good alternative, by the way. 

Seriously, buy the Witcher 2 if you can, or wait for the 360 version. It's fantastic.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

Really?  In order to live, Shep has to sacrifice the entire Geth civilization and EDI? 

What the hell, Bioware.  What the hell...

[Ultt]

[quote]mulder1199 wrote...

[quote]DaftArbiter wrote...


yes the patch will fix the LI thing, and perhaps something with an ending....it's 265mb somebody said that is big...
[/quote]

Consider:

The Hammerhead DLC for ME2 consists of about 490 MB. When you factor in the content that adds, if this is 256 or 265 MB, it also should add a fairly decent amount of material--consider that it almost certainly does not contain extra missions, only bug fixes and cutscenes (?).

File fixes for multiplayer would be quite small, Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties consisted of around 800 MB total, and that was a full-blown expansion pack for an RTS. Multiplayer fixes would pertain to very simple stuff, such as text documents and the like.[/quote]

i'll take a few cut scenes with a good ending, some epilogue text.....

hudson can't keep spewing off interviews like in that venture article without something being in there we haven't seen yet
[/quote]

My sentiments exactly. 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Capeo wrote...
 We know the LI flashbacks aren't flagged right at the moment so there's no telling what else isn't either. 

From what leakers have said, the LI flashbacks don't even have more videos, so it's not just a flag problem.

[XX55XX]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

The ending isn't bad, it's a disaster. And again: This is a fictional game for entertainment, NOT real life. If I want ral life, I shut down my computer and go out of my room. I'm not interested in reclections (for that I have better options than a video game), but in escapism and entertainment.

Artist's license. Don't like it? Dump it, and buy someone else's work. 

The Witcher 2 is a pretty good alternative, by the way. 

Seriously, buy the Witcher 2 if you can, or wait for the 360 version. It's fantastic.

Oh, and Roche is a way cooler dude than Garrus, by the way, if you are into the whole "bro" thing. 

[Obidex]

Curious if the From Ashes DLC adds a dif ending..that would be amusing

[CaptainChip]

XX55XX wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

You see your own argument is exactly what I wrote? YOUR choice throughout the series was suppose to matter - that was encourage and pushed by BW themselves through TWO games. The L1s were also as I wrote an important part of this story as well - BW put them there and gave us the videos themselves. These are also our choice from ME1 to 3 - as were how we palyed and the choices we made - all encouraged by BW themselves. Even marketing for ME3 continued this approach by BW themselves - yet in what we know of the leaks - our choices did NOT matter in the slightest. ALL our choice. So to that I totally agree with you and I was only attempting to say the same using other methods.

Yeah, I said it rather matter of factly, without the same amount of emotion.

Regardless of you say, can't you admit that BioWare, through amazing characters like Liara and Garrus, has injected a little joy in your dull life? I am glad that BioWare is one of the few studios who understand that good writing (at least for characters) is important making a player feel engaged with the game.

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

There's a difference between "not everyone is saved" and "almost everyone in the galaxy is doomed".

People have been doomed before. Remember the Holocaust? There was no Commander Shepard to save Russian POWs, former SPD deputies, Communists, homosexuals, and Jews from the gas chamber before the Allies arrived. 

And by the time the Allies reached places like Buchenwald and Ravensbruck, it was too late. 

But here's the thing, the holocaust at least ended and some people were saved and the world continued its business.

These endings are like, if the holocaust ended, and then all nations shut their borders entirely, leaving some contries starving to death and people to never see their loved ones again, and some stranded in the middle of the ocean with no place to go besides a few deserted islands, with the possibility of several allied countries being completely destroyed, along with the jewish populace unable to recover.

I'm still getting this game, just for hope that the rest is good.

Modifié par CaptainChip, 02 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[panamakira]

The crazy part is these interviews with the devs come out and say they can't wait for fans to play the game and that they'll love the ending because it will reflect their choices.

I mean, I'm not sure whether:

1) They're ignoring the fans that love the game since ME 1 or assume we're the minority? Idk maybe we are.
2) They really assumed WRONG and thought we would be OK with these endings
3) They just don't care and want to push their cannon story unto us (Fair deal, at the end of the day is THEIR story)
4) There's a possibility of another ending that nobody has seen but has been implemented in the final product
5) DAY 1 PATCH

I have to admit after a few days of feeling crappy about the endings I've come to accept them. It'll be a bitter end but it is what it is. There's nothing we can do about it and I'm sure lots of people will love it.

I will try to enjoy the game as much as I can, if not well then there's multiplayer which I find pretty addicting.....I guess as long as I stay away from SP. lol what a mess.

[Nerevar-as]

XX55XX wrote...

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

...but the galaxy gets another chance at life. That's pretty happy, right?

And at the end of "I´m Legend" (book), you find out vampires are slowly building a society. Would anyone call it a happy ending?

I´ll grant it´s better than "Childhood´s End", but that´s easy.

[Risselda]

I think people are confusing a tragic ending with a retconned bad ending.

Have the normandy have to dive into a reaper to plant a bomb and kill it, killing off everyone on the normandy instead. Even better. Have Shepard become indoctrinated and their LI has to kill him/her.

Actually....thatd be kinda cool...having a crew member become the "real hero" i think.

Not. Space. Magic.
Not Gilligans island of inbreds.
Not all species trapped in one solar system - overpopulating - warring.

TBH...I might just keep the reapers alive to wipe everyone out. Better than a long slow death of civilization.

Modifié par Risselda, 02 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Unit-Alpha]

XX55XX wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

The ending isn't bad, though. Yeah, not a lot of choice, but as in real life, you just can't save everyone. And ME3's ending is a reflection of that sentiment.

The ending isn't bad, it's a disaster. And again: This is a fictional game for entertainment, NOT real life. If I want ral life, I shut down my computer and go out of my room. I'm not interested in reclections (for that I have better options than a video game), but in escapism and entertainment.

Artist's license. Don't like it? Dump it, and buy someone else's work. 

The Witcher 2 is a pretty good alternative, by the way. 

Seriously, buy the Witcher 2 if you can, or wait for the 360 version. It's fantastic.

Oh, and Roche is a way cooler dude than Garrus, by the way, if you are into the whole "bro" thing. 

Haha, I always go with the Scoia'tael, I just love how the second act works if you pick them.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Nyaore]

XX55XX wrote...

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

...but the galaxy gets another chance at life. That's pretty happy, right?

In the long-term, yes. In the short-term? Not by a long shot. It's going to take hundreds if not thousands of years for the galaxy to fully recover from this. While I'm actually happy that the Reapers are going to have such lasting effects - you can't deny that the short-term implications are very, very grim. A small spark of hope, in the way of Shepard having a chance to be with their crew if they survived, or knowing the crew is going to be ok, would go a long way to making things a little more bittersweet.

[Nerevar-as]

Obidex wrote...

Curious if the From Ashes DLC adds a dif ending..that would be amusing

I´d add them to the Magnificent Bastard entry on TV Tropes.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Whatever, BW has painted themselves into a corner now. Their "idiot" endings cannot be changed as copies have been shipped starting a week ago to suppliers in order to be sent to folks on time. Now they're stuck with their own garbage of their own making - BW got exposed by their own stupidity. Even some of the testers they hired felt forced to inform fans of Mass Effect 3 and how bad the ME 3 turned out to be, plus BW's idiocy of the Space disaster came back to bite them in the ****. The moment I saw that clunker I groaned out loud and gave them 2 days at most for photos to appear on Utube. I think I was dead on accurate on that prediction. Even a fool could predict the outcome of that stunt - that alone was an indication of the type of thinking going on at BW. To me at least that alone proved their thinking is so flawed and out of thouch with reality none of them understood the PR nightmare they were directly responsible for and proved in depth by the multiple leaks here. Just as their thinking in the final mission - idiotic, pointless, and so amateurish as to defy any SF logic let alone magic logic.

yup

anyway, i didnt even want a disney ending that sounds cheesy. hell, i think anyone can think of a happy ending which sounds original

Billions are dead.  The Batarians are nearly extinct.  Worlds are on fire. 

How the hell is this a Disney ending for some people?  Shep lives, Normany crew survives, relays not borked, just kill the damn Reapers at the terrible costs mentioned above, and somehow that's a rainbows and ponies ending?

Shep personally not being dead and not losing everyone he/she cares about somehow makes it a "childish" ending, and yet somehow the grimdarks accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of "wanting the character to be extra special"?  What the hell?

Shepard surviving involves killing EDI and the Geth. It´s also the only way to make sure the Reaper threat is over forever. If the quarian and turian fleets don´t have enough stockpiled food and/or a nearby colony they´ll might die from aminoacid deficiencies, the galaxy size, where travel is concerned, has increased greatly, and economy and society will suffer greatly for it, and I´ll probably can think more "sunshine & unicorns" points after I actually play the game.

So asking for Shepard to be reunited with crew and LI doesn´t seem like a happy Hollywood ending for me.

Really?  In order to live, Shep has to sacrifice the entire Geth civilization and EDI? 

What the hell, Bioware.  What the hell...

Yeah and like a poke at the player to imply they've made the wrong choice... Normandy still gets marooned, and you see Shepard take a sudden breath but looks like he's in a right state (don't get to see his face from what I gather) so who knows if he'll truely live and if he does, he's on Earth. At this point does he even have anything to live for?

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 02 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

XX55XX wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Witty_Remark wrote...

TL;DR: They said they didn't have to do this. If they don't have an ace up their sleeve, then they either lied to us or they over-hyped what was possible to do and probably don't feel that great about it anyway.

Yesterday a thread started up to compile all of the promises and hype they made about ME3 and its endings, then it was promptly closed without explanation once they discovered it.

They've been doing that with any thread that makes them uncomfortable by hitting too close to home.  See also, all the threads they locked down or deleted about Origin (spyware).  See also, the thread about modding in the demo, which was flatout "disappeared".

Well, Origin isn't really spyware, but I can't see why they would shut down those other threads. The new ToS is just a cover for censorship. But, still, their site, their rules. 

I think we critics need to start our own site. Our own message board. 

The only thing keeping Origin from being spyware is a very thin technicallity.  It still gets pushed as something else, while retaining the capacity to start datamining and reporting it home whenever EA feels like it.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

XX55XX wrote...

...but the galaxy gets another chance at life. That's pretty happy, right?

If you are a manga reader, are you familiar with Franken Fran? Another chance at life with drastic changes is... sometimes not worth it.