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[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

I mean because you can't save most of what you've been close to throughout the series and only have a small false hope that the galaxy will survive through all of this regardless of what state they are in at the end of the game - it basically kills replay value of the entire trilogy.

Everything you faught for, you can't really save, so you've got no reason to go back and try harder. As soon as people see the ending they get they will go straight on youtube and look if there is hope for a better one and when they see there really isn't they will be less inclined to replay.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Chrillze wrote...

But you can have a GREEN beam at the end! A GREEN BEAM!!!!!

www.youtube.com/watch

[dheer]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
Oh, and Roche is a way cooler dude than Garrus, by the way, if you are into the whole "bro" thing. 

Haha, I always go with the Scoia'tael, I just love how the second act works if you pick them.

Even when you ally Geralt with the Scoia'tael, Roche is your bro. He helps you out big time near the end of chapter 2.

[AkiKishi]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I mean because you can't save most of what you've been close to throughout the series and only have a small false hope that the galaxy will survive through all of this regardless of what state they are in at the end of the game - it basically kills replay value of the entire trilogy.

Everything you faught for, you can't really save, so you've got no reason to go back and try harder. As soon as people see the ending they get they will go straight on youtube and look if there is hope for a better one and when they see there really isn't they will be less inclined to replay.

You are looking at mass extinction events on the scale that it would have been better to leave well alone and hope the next guys do better. Kind of like how Archeologists leave things alone for people with better technology in the future.

[Elite Midget]

N172 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Also, quite a bit off-topic here, but the launch trailer has now been released. Damn, does it ever look great. Especially the space battles:

Official launch trailer

Another reason to hope that there is an ending where shepard wont get permanently seperated from the others.

Launch Trailer.

Clearly Ashley is the canon LI.

J/K

Whatever the case, I expect things to change when many of the fans find out the endings all blow and you can't be with their LI or even survive.

[BrookerT]

Ok, I found this on the superior pics forum, it basically explains how the endings are not as emo as everyone is making them out to be. Most of us haven't even seen them and those that have have not seen them in the context of the game, maybe we should all wait until we have played the game? anyway, here is the post

Spoilers Spoilers and more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. He did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

SAFG's answer: That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

That's my two cents on the matter.

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the "Grandpa & The Shepard" epilogue fires up even in case no one comes out of Normandy's hatch, then it mean the epilogue is NOT taking place on the same planet the Normandy crashed. If everyone died during crash, it means nobody produced synthetic/incestuous babies so Grandpa couldn't be born on this planet.

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My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

[wright1978]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I mean because you can't save most of what you've been close to throughout the series and only have a small false hope that the galaxy will survive through all of this regardless of what state they are in at the end of the game - it basically kills replay value of the entire trilogy.

Everything you faught for, you can't really save, so you've got no reason to go back and try harder. As soon as people see the ending they get they will go straight on youtube and look if there is hope for a better one and when they see there really isn't they will be less inclined to replay.

Yep it has stopped playing the first 2 games and i plan on only playing ME3 once if the endings are true. No ending diversity, no replay value as far as i'm concerned.

[cerberus1701]

chuckles471 wrote...

Just a thought from a cynical mind.

If they are making a MMO, wouldn't it be good if there was a natural division between factions?

By destroying long range space travel won't that make seperate different parts of the galaxy? And when somebody figures out how to travel long range again.... WAR because they have been seperate for so long that the cultures or (if long enough) evolution have change them dramatically.

When, without relays and fuel willing you can go accross the galaxy in less than 30 years?

Very little disruption in the galaxy. Certainly less homogenous, but it's not an absolute catastrophe.

[Unit-Alpha]

dheer wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
Oh, and Roche is a way cooler dude than Garrus, by the way, if you are into the whole "bro" thing. 

Haha, I always go with the Scoia'tael, I just love how the second act works if you pick them.

Even when you ally Geralt with the Scoia'tael, Roche is your bro. He helps you out big time near the end of chapter 2.

Yeah, I still liked Roche better, but I slightly like the Scoia'tael more.

But that was literally one of the hardest choices ever. Talk about a moral grey area.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Taleroth]

Doesn't the dialogue between the man and the child all but state that they lack spaceflight? So how is the story getting to them anyway? And what's the point of having an epilogue that's two random people on a completely never before seen planet? Why wouldn't it be earth? Or a space colony? Or some place with buildings like we're used to seeing in every civilized locale in the setting.

[cerberus1701]

BrookerT wrote...


Ok, I found this on the superior pics forum, it basically explains how the endings are not as emo as everyone is making them out to be. Most of us haven't even seen them and those that have have not seen them in the context of the game, maybe we should all wait until we have played the game? anyway, here is the post

Spoilers Spoilers and more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. He did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

SAFG's answer: That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

That's my two cents on the matter.

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the "Grandpa & The Shepard" epilogue fires up even in case no one comes out of Normandy's hatch, then it mean the epilogue is NOT taking place on the same planet the Normandy crashed. If everyone died during crash, it means nobody produced synthetic/incestuous babies so Grandpa couldn't be born on this planet.

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My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

I'm sure you don't care, but I agree with all of that.

[TekFanX]

BrookerT wrote...

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My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

Sorry, I may be wrong, but I remember reading that the Arcturus Station ends as debris you can scan. As far as I got it, someone scanned it while on the search for war-assets.
But given all the spoilers I've read so far, I can't tell you if it was this thread, the Spoiler-group on BSN or something on SA.

[gogman25]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

But you can have a GREEN beam at the end! A GREEN BEAM!!!!!

www.youtube.com/watch

In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight, let those who worship evil's might... Beware my power... Green Lantern's light!

Modifié par gogman25, 02 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[AnthonyF27]

dheer wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

XX55XX wrote...
Oh, and Roche is a way cooler dude than Garrus, by the way, if you are into the whole "bro" thing. 

Haha, I always go with the Scoia'tael, I just love how the second act works if you pick them.

Even when you ally Geralt with the Scoia'tael, Roche is your bro. He helps you out big time near the end of chapter 2.

Roche is the best.  He's definitely way cooler than Garrus and I think Garrus is awesome.  I think the TW2 is the best game I've ever played, but that's another story.

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 02 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[albertalad]

LOL - BW - what color Christmas tree lights do you like? Or BW's Christmas Tree solution. How tacky can you get and still claim you're mentally sound?

[MrAtomica]

BrookerT wrote...


Ok, I found this on the superior pics forum, it basically explains how the endings are not as emo as everyone is making them out to be. Most of us haven't even seen them and those that have have not seen them in the context of the game, maybe we should all wait until we have played the game? anyway, here is the post

Spoilers Spoilers and more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. He did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

SAFG's answer: That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

That's my two cents on the matter.

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the "Grandpa & The Shepard" epilogue fires up even in case no one comes out of Normandy's hatch, then it mean the epilogue is NOT taking place on the same planet the Normandy crashed. If everyone died during crash, it means nobody produced synthetic/incestuous babies so Grandpa couldn't be born on this planet.

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My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

This is...actually quite insightful.

I'll admit I was intrigued by the Grandfather scene, as it didn't really fit well with being the Normandy survivors' planet. But I was still fairly unconvinced, until you reminded me of the option for everyone on the Normandy to die. That more or less refutes any chance of the two planets being the same.

I suspect there may be more to the endings than we think. Possibly because we have no in-game footage yet, only cutscenes. And everyone knows that cutscenes are not a cost-effective way of representing ingame choice. It is possible that there is more to the ending, contained in the actual game.

I guess it'll have to wait until release. Still, your logic offers some hope. Thanks!

[albertalad]

MrAtomica wrote...

BrookerT wrote...


Ok, I found this on the superior pics forum, it basically explains how the endings are not as emo as everyone is making them out to be. Most of us haven't even seen them and those that have have not seen them in the context of the game, maybe we should all wait until we have played the game? anyway, here is the post

Spoilers Spoilers and more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. He did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

SAFG's answer: That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

That's my two cents on the matter.

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the "Grandpa & The Shepard" epilogue fires up even in case no one comes out of Normandy's hatch, then it mean the epilogue is NOT taking place on the same planet the Normandy crashed. If everyone died during crash, it means nobody produced synthetic/incestuous babies so Grandpa couldn't be born on this planet.

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My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

This is...actually quite insightful.

I'll admit I was intrigued by the Grandfather scene, as it didn't really fit well with being the Normandy survivors' planet. But I was still fairly unconvinced, until you reminded me of the option for everyone on the Normandy to die. That more or less refutes any chance of the two planets being the same.

I suspect there may be more to the endings than we think. Possibly because we have no in-game footage yet, only cutscenes. And everyone knows that cutscenes are not a cost-effective way of representing ingame choice. It is possible that there is more to the ending, contained in the actual game.

I guess it'll have to wait until release. Still, your logic offers some hope. Thanks!

You can have all the grandfathers you like - that still doesn't even put lipstick on this pig!

[Max Knight]

gogman25 wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

But you can have a GREEN beam at the end! A GREEN BEAM!!!!!

www.youtube.com/watch

In brightest day, in blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight, let those who worship evil's might... Beware my power... Green Lantern's light!

in fearful day in raging  night when strong hearts fall our souls ignite, when all seems lost in the war of light look to the stars for hope burns bright:police:

[Sashimi_taco]

Muzyka also shared his own experience with the game’s ending, saying that, “I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played… the decisions you make in this game are epic.”

YEAH. F***ING. RIGHT.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

The fact we are having to speculate on how the Normandy crew survived...

proves that either it wasn't a proper satisfying conclusion to all the threads like we were promised that or the epilogue is displaying the same one everytime (which at this point I find unlikely)

so in that sense, Bioware let us down.

[albertalad]

BTW, someone explain to me what is a war asset? I understand having read Jack can be a war asset - how is this possible? Then who can become a war asset and how does one get them?

[Capeo]

BrookerT wrote...


Ok, I found this on the superior pics forum, it basically explains how the endings are not as emo as everyone is making them out to be. Most of us haven't even seen them and those that have have not seen them in the context of the game, maybe we should all wait until we have played the game? anyway, here is the post

Spoilers Spoilers and more spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no idea, maybe they take their sweet sweet time. And about the epilogue: you're right, it's not specifically stated it's the same planet. That's just the assumption going around right now. He did say the Normandy planet looked like Jurassic Park while the epilogue video looks more like a Christmas card.

SAFG's answer: That's because - as far as I know - there's no confirmation that the planet the Normandy crashes on and the planet that Stargazer is on is one in the same. In fact, considering the epilogue scene fires regardless of the ending you get (even the one that implies the Normandy crew is dead), there's little proof that the Normandy crew is permanently stranded or that they form an incestuous colony.

Considering the overall tone of the ending, I'd say it's unlikely they are stranded or that the ending is supposed to be considered 'sad'. Everyone's smiling and poo poo and looking at the sunrise, not wailing helplessly because they believe they're trapped forever.

That's my two cents on the matter.

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the "Grandpa & The Shepard" epilogue fires up even in case no one comes out of Normandy's hatch, then it mean the epilogue is NOT taking place on the same planet the Normandy crashed. If everyone died during crash, it means nobody produced synthetic/incestuous babies so Grandpa couldn't be born on this planet.

----------------

My Take: If Everyone is stranded how would anyone know "The Shepard" Story except those on Earth? The Ending takes place on a Colony World. Normandy Does get rescued by the Alliance, It seems the Relay just shot them near Arcturus station and not some backward unknown Planet.

Plus all the lore in ME tells us, Two relay must make a connection with one another for a ship to travel or attempt to travel through. Relay A(Which connects to Arcturus System) shoots the Normandy to Relay B (Inside the Arcturus System somewhere) near or by Arcturus Station. When they come out the Normandy has to outrun the exploding Relay which destroys the Normandy. Everyone at Arcturus saw it and sent help once their ships returned from Earth.

Remember FTL can still be used.

A couple issues with this.  Xio, who posted pics of the ending for us last night, got the impression that they were the same planet.  The planets/moons in the sky are the same and shots of Joker/EDI are even framed so you can't miss the similarity.  Also, obviously, if they are stranded their descendants would know about Shepard.  On top of that the epilogue dialog implies flight is impossible, at least for the people on the planet, as the kid asks when he'll be able to fly up to the stars and the old man replies 'Someday, sweet child.  Someday' or some such hokum.  

As for the epilogue firing no matter the ending, you're right, that's strange.  Thing is we already know there are flagging issues with the end.  The flashbacks only show Liara no matter your LI and flashbacks for both Ash and Kaiden are on the disc.  The epilogue firing even with the worst ending might not be intentional and the day 1 patch might resolve that.

All speculation of course.  Just pointing out that other people who've played the game certainly got a different impression.  It's also worth noting that if the SA guy your referring to is Tank he hasn't played the game in a quite a while at this point and is going on memory.

[Yakko77]

Mass Effect 3: Extra Content

Spoof video, nothing spoiler and NSFW!!!!

Modifié par Yakko77, 02 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[Fault Girl]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Muzyka also shared his own experience with the game’s ending, saying that, “I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played… the decisions you make in this game are epic.”

YEAH. F***ING. RIGHT.

I just dont get it, I keep seeing devs say that about the endings and stuff.

if all the endings that have been leaked are just it and are true, are we all just on another brainwave or something?

*brain explodes*