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[g_bassi13]

Darth Taurus wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Hello People !!1
hope everyone is ok !!
not been able to participate as much for last 2 days ...

Bu I have seen the sale figures for ME3 .
They are terrible ...
They have been published..
They Sold only 1.5 million copies...!!1
that is a disaster...
due in no small fact to this ending and the way we spread the info online...

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

" in console sales". They only gather the console sales. It misses the sales on PC. But besides that, that's poor sales indeed. The Witcher 2, only on PC. sold 1,5 milion. On 17 th the Xbox version will release, and this sales will increase very much

Witcher 2 sold so much on PC, because it was a PC exclusive. When the PC version is released alongside a consolve version, it's sales are very minimal. If the console sales are only at 1.5 million, then the PC sales would be at a couple hundred thousand.

edit: I feel this has to be wrong though. Mass Effect 3 must have sold at least 2 million.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 11 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[firstarioch]

SiriusXI wrote...

Darth Taurus wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Hello People !!1
hope everyone is ok !!
not been able to participate as much for last 2 days ...

Bu I have seen the sale figures for ME3 .
They are terrible ...
They have been published..
They Sold only 1.5 million copies...!!1
that is a disaster...
due in no small fact to this ending and the way we spread the info online...

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

" in console sales". They only gather the console sales. It misses the sales on PC. But besides that, that's poor sales indeed. The Witcher 2, only on PC. sold 1,5 milion. On 17 th the Xbox version will release, and this sales will increase very much

Uhhh, this makes me somewhat happy. I know it's kind of sad, but I really hpe they FEEL this one! Change the damn ending!

I have mixed feelings about it ...I want them to prosper and make more games ...
as noone makes games like them... I want Mass Effect to continue ...
If they make money they will feel they can be generous and do all those extra bits for us ...
On the other hand this is good as its shows : dont ****** off your core army ....

[Atrocity]

*pops in after making a fool of herself in gold run*

Are we speculating about sales numbers again?

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

*pops in after making a fool of herself in gold run*

Are we speculating about sales numbers again?

Yes they seem to insist on continuing to use the "s" word *sigh*

[Vahilor]

firstarioch wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Darth Taurus wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Hello People !!1
hope everyone is ok !!
not been able to participate as much for last 2 days ...

Bu I have seen the sale figures for ME3 .
They are terrible ...
They have been published..
They Sold only 1.5 million copies...!!1
that is a disaster...
due in no small fact to this ending and the way we spread the info online...

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

" in console sales". They only gather the console sales. It misses the sales on PC. But besides that, that's poor sales indeed. The Witcher 2, only on PC. sold 1,5 milion. On 17 th the Xbox version will release, and this sales will increase very much

Uhhh, this makes me somewhat happy. I know it's kind of sad, but I really hpe they FEEL this one! Change the damn ending!

I have mixed feelings about it ...I want them to prosper and make more games ...
as noone makes games like them... I want Mass Effect to continue ...
If they make money they will feel they can be generous and do all those extra bits for us ...
On the other hand this is good as its shows : dont ****** off your core army ....

Yeah but if they wanna sell more games and more ME stuff, they should probably stop p... the fanbase, stop making cryptic statments, stop making fun of people in tweets and stop allways using "artistic integrigy" as an excuse for the crappy endings.. if they would be really so fan oriented like they often tend to tell.. they probably should be able to admit they did somthing wrong with the endings, that they made crap in the last 10 minutes and redo and fix it..

I think everybody would be much more satisfied if the would admit the mistake they made.. but all this.. "We stand behind our team and we want to keep the sh.. they make because of artistig integrigy" is like shooting into their own foot..

If I make somthing for the a big publicity I can't so what I want to.. when I want to sell somthing.. and I have to stay true to my franchise and not to come up with SPace magic and star child god creatures in an universe totaly build on science (ME scienec) that has nothing like SPace Magic or god like Space brats n 99%.

Modifié par Vahilor, 11 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[KLGChaos]

So, any new rants about "artistic integrity" today? I remember seeing a few articles about it popping up still. Personally, I think any "integrity" goes out the door as soon as you start charging money for a product... or start changing your game because the company you work for wants you to reach a bigger audience.

Kind of like there's no such thing as journalistic integrity when you start firing employees because they don't give a good score to your sponsors (*cough*gamespot*cough*).... which leads to a slew of 8.5s for even games that aren't that great. If journalists aren't allowed to post their honest opinion, then there's really no point to having critics or reviews.

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

*pops in after making a fool of herself in gold run*

Are we speculating about sales numbers again?

Yes they seem to insist on continuing to use the "s" word *sigh*

As long as it's not "r" word or "m" word, I'm good. Without those words I can feel somewhat good about my gaming skills 

[Vahilor]

KLGChaos wrote...

So, any new rants about "artistic integrity" today? I remember seeing a few articles about it popping up still. Personally, I think any "integrity" goes out the door as soon as you start charging money for a product... or start changing your game because the company you work for wants you to reach a bigger audience.

Kind of like there's no such thing as journalistic integrity when you start firing employees because they don't give a good score to your sponsors (*cough*gamespot*cough*).... which leads to a slew of 8.5s for even games that aren't that great. If journalists aren't allowed to post their honest opinion, then there's really no point to having critics or reviews.

That's totaly my opinion. I'm an artist myself and if I draw for somone.. and that person wants a man drawn or a human.. I can't draw a hand on the head and tell that person "Sorry.. I can't change that.. cause of artistic integrigy and i like it that way." 

The person will rip the picture into pieces and tell me, that the picture is not what the person wanted and that I can't charge money for such a S.... and will tell others that they should not order drawings of me, cause I do not fullfill the customers expectations.

[Kitedtk]

KLGChaos wrote...

So, any new rants about "artistic integrity" today? I remember seeing a few articles about it popping up still. Personally, I think any "integrity" goes out the door as soon as you start charging money for a product... or start changing your game because the company you work for wants you to reach a bigger audience.

Kind of like there's no such thing as journalistic integrity when you start firing employees because they don't give a good score to your sponsors (*cough*gamespot*cough*).... which leads to a slew of 8.5s for even games that aren't that great. If journalists aren't allowed to post their honest opinion, then there's really no point to having critics or reviews.

The only game reviewers i trust are friends i know by name... And their review of a game tends to be, "You'll love it", "it was alright." and "Dear god make it STOP!!!!"

as for the integrity stuff.. Yeah arguing artists don't change their stuff is silly. Most artists will change their artwork pretty fast the moment you tell them they'll get money for doing it. I don't think integrity puts food on the table.
Also Mass produced products aren't art... While i will say ME the series has certain parts i'd be prepared to call art... It itself is a consumer product. Not a piece of art that we put on a pedestal for future generations to admire.

[Fallenfromthesky]

First off all how do.

seccond on the subject of sales and pricess for ME3 just seen Mass Effect 3 next to MW3. ME3 is 10p CHEAPER and it only been out a month, MW3 has been out 5 months. 

Surley someone at EA or BW has noticed this rather dramatic price crash. I remember Mass Effect 2 didn't drop that much after release  

[MordiMoro]

firstarioch wrote...

Hello People !!1
hope everyone is ok !!
not been able to participate as much for last 2 days ...

Bu I have seen the sale figures for ME3 .
They are terrible ...
They have been published..
They Sold only 1.5 million copies...!!1
that is a disaster...
due in no small fact to this ending and the way we spread the info online...

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

This is art mr. Hudson, thanks!

[Laterali]

Vahilor wrote...


That's totaly my opinion. I'm an artist myself and if I draw for somone.. and that person wants a man drawn or a human.. I can't draw a hand on the head and tell that person "Sorry.. I can't change that.. cause of artistic integrigy and i like it that way." 

The person will rip the picture into pieces and tell me, that the picture is not what the person wanted and that I can't charge money for such a S.... and will tell others that they should not order drawings of me, cause I do not fullfill the customers expectations.

Ha, I make cryptex puzzle boxes for people. before I finish it I ask them what kind of riddle and what answer they want as the combination. Imagine if I did that, then said, "I decided to make my own combination for yours. The combination is Sh*tbox."

The customer says, " Well that's not what I expected, and it's far from what you promised me,"

My reply, " Well as an artist, it's my right to make this however I want, you don't want to suppress my artistic integrity, do you? Now pay me 60 dollars."

[Vahilor]

Laterali wrote...

Vahilor wrote...


That's totaly my opinion. I'm an artist myself and if I draw for somone.. and that person wants a man drawn or a human.. I can't draw a hand on the head and tell that person "Sorry.. I can't change that.. cause of artistic integrigy and i like it that way." 

The person will rip the picture into pieces and tell me, that the picture is not what the person wanted and that I can't charge money for such a S.... and will tell others that they should not order drawings of me, cause I do not fullfill the customers expectations.

Ha, I make cryptex puzzle boxes for people. before I finish it I ask them what kind of riddle and what answer they want as the combination. Imagine if I did that, then said, "I decided to make my own combination for yours. The combination is Sh*tbox."

The customer says, " Well that's not what I expected, and it's far from what you promised me,"

My reply, " Well as an artist, it's my right to make this however I want, you don't want to suppress my artistic integrity, do you? Now pay me 60 dollars."

If I tell this my customers they will laugh at me and tell me to take my stuff and go to hell and they will never order anything of me again ^^

[Matt_gekko88]

Hello everyone.

Any news worth sharing?

[chmarr]

Laterali wrote...

Kotaku weighing in on BBB's "false advertising" article

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised

Still sense a bit of condescension from Kotaku. Not sure how I feel about gaming sites alienating large groups of possible users. I've already stopped using sites like IGN, and Gamespot because of this.

And IBT coming out with another article, a better analysis of BBB's article than Kotaku;

http://www.ibtimes.c...advertising.htm

Just goes to show that news outlets outside the gaming world are handling this better. Gaming Sites are treating protesters like children, Mainstream News outlets are treating us lke consumers.

what gets me is that the BBB and the FTC would have needed bioware to admit that they lied to us.

well it seems like bioware HAS admited they lied to us hence the part ruling by the BBB.

so bioware you have admited to lying and yet you dont say anything to us.

goes to show you bioware couldent give a rats ass about us

[Cybermortis]

Darth Taurus wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Hello People !!1
hope everyone is ok !!
not been able to participate as much for last 2 days ...

Bu I have seen the sale figures for ME3 .
They are terrible ...
They have been published..
They Sold only 1.5 million copies...!!1
that is a disaster...
due in no small fact to this ending and the way we spread the info online...

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

" in console sales". They only gather the console sales. It misses the sales on PC. But besides that, that's poor sales indeed. The Witcher 2, only on PC. sold 1,5 milion. On 17 th the Xbox version will release, and this sales will increase very much

It's easy enough to put in context; ME2 sold some 2.26 million copies on the X-Box360 alone. Dragon Age 2 sold 0.91 Million copies on the same platform.

This would also explain the steep price drop of ME3. Bioware stated that they shipped some 3.5 million copies (note, shipped not sold) of ME3, compared to some 2 million for DA2 in the first month. So they shipped 60% more copies of ME3 than DA2, but only saw comparable numbers of sales per unit shipped. This would seem to indicate that retailers are stuck with a large number of unsold copies of ME3.

This is almost certainly going to cause problems for Bioware with their next title because retailers are not going to be willing to stock the title in large numbers. After all this is the second game in 12 months* Bioware has released that has left the retailers with large numbers of unsold games - and the next title is clearly not going to have the same draw as Mass Effect 3 or even Dragon Age 2.

I suspect it might also cause EA serious problems because this is the third Bioware game in row that has badly underperformed. Investors are unlikely to be reassured by sales predictions coming from Bioware, if not EA itself, since they have been shown to be badly optimistic in their predictions.

(*Note; I know that The Old Republic has underperformed, but I don't know the sales numbers for that title.)

[Ohpus]

Nharia1 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

*tackles and places hand over your mouth* The walls have ears~!

*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

*puts it on* I'm totally sane~!

It's not paranoid if they are really out to get you.

[Cybermortis]

chmarr wrote...
what gets me is that the BBB and the FTC would have needed bioware to admit that they lied to us.

well it seems like bioware HAS admited they lied to us hence the part ruling by the BBB.

so bioware you have admited to lying and yet you dont say anything to us.

goes to show you bioware couldent give a rats ass about us

Errm, no. 

The FTC doesn't require the subjects of an investigation to admit to anything, let alone lying, any more than a Homicide detective can only arrest or charge someone who confesses to having committed a crime.

[Nharia1]

Ohpus wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

*puts it on* I'm totally sane~!

It's not paranoid if they are really out to get you.

Exactly~!

[chmarr]

so EA and bioware boasting

"yes we shipped out 3.5 million copies of mass effect 3 and we have had 75 perfect reviews and the metacritic score was amazing"

fast forward to today and heres the facts

3.5 million shipped but only sold 1.5 million WORLDWIDE TO DATE

75 "perfect" reviews have now since dropped BELOW 50 as reviewers have now played the retail version and relise they were duped by the "review" version of the game which had MORE items in game but had a LOT of cutscenes removed which included the ENTIRE ending and they did not have the godchild in the review version so a lot of the reviewers have now retracted there scores.
the only ones that kept there scores are the ones in EA's pockets

the metacritic score oh wow ... really, metacritic scores are worth jackchit SERIOUSLY it means JACKCHIT.

and now the BBB actually got bioware to admit they LIED makes this the WORST game launch EVER ON RECORD.
.
bioware could not lie to the BBB as if they did they would face serious repercussion's, so bioware had to tell the truth to an agency that can shut them down and freeze there assests and then jail the founders.

so yes bioware has lied and now they will have to follow through on promises they made.

so whos REALLY to blame here:-

1)- bioware
2)- EA
3)- he founders of bioware
4)- the writers
5)- the game editors
6)- the game ending writers

take your pick as the list can grow.

yup for ONCE gamers have came out a shining example of honesty as we have NOT lied and we have shown CLEAR PROOF that we were LIED TO

[evisneffo]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Hello everyone.

Any news worth sharing?

Hi!

There might be some articles or something somewhere, I don't have any links, but no major news that I know of. Just discussion of how ME3's sales are going and some Tweets about ... I forgot what.

[Jere85]

back, and i read your RGB thoughts MajorSwift , nice read.

[chmarr]

Nharia1 wrote...

Ohpus wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...
*gives you a tin foil hat* lol. 

*puts it on* I'm totally sane~!

It's not paranoid if they are really out to get you.

Exactly~!

*stands there all heroic like in his tin-foil suit and tin-foil helmut*

there coming to take us away ha ha

*jazz hands*

[laughing sherpa girl]

I find it ironic that for all of Biowares chatter about having to make sacrifices in the game, they cant see the obvious or are unwilling to make sacrifices themselves to salvage their flagship product. Sales numbers dwindle, pricing dwindles, and yet, the do nothing. I realize they THINK they're sacrificing time and effort to help salvage the beast, but they dont realize that they will need to get actors back,writers everyone and do a complete re-write on the ending to even hope for salvage.
The biggest challenge i personally believe they'll have to overcome will be the attitude towards them, generated by their own verbalization about not changing anything. Bad press may be publicity, but in a time of shrunken wallets and educated consumers, bad press can be deadly. Their open and obvious refusal to work with their customers while touting their empty claims to the opposite has damaged their reputation around the world.
When Bethesda had to rewrite the ending to fallout they did so at a loss of profit for the game, but in doing so, i believe they have earned a great deal of respect from the buying community around the world. They still dont tell a great story, and game mechanics are still stilted, but they stand behind their customers all the way. They didnt learn that lesson cheaply, nor without pain, but in the end, they've guaranteed themselves a solid place in peoples homes as a company than can be depended on to listen and respond, while developing very good games. Bioware will need to act quickly to correct the current situation, and learn the lesson Bethesda knows so well, or they will be in serious danger of losing everything.

[Cybermortis]

chmarr wrote...

the only ones that kept there scores are the ones in EA's pockets

Do NOT accuse EA of 'buying' reviews unless you can also provide hard evidence. All you have is speculation that could get you sued for libel. That may be your opinion, but that does not make it true OR defensable - bare in mind that private message boards such as this DO NOT fall under freedom of speach laws.

Threads have been shut because of such claims.

and now the BBB actually got bioware to admit they LIED makes this the WORST game launch EVER ON RECORD.

Read my last post; Bioware did not admit to anything, nor did the BBB require them to admit to anything before passing a judgement. If Bioware had admitted to lying about their marketing there would be no question about legal action by the FTC....