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[Darth Taurus]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

I find it ironic that for all of Biowares chatter about having to make sacrifices in the game, they cant see the obvious or are unwilling to make sacrifices themselves to salvage their flagship product. Sales numbers dwindle, pricing dwindles, and yet, the do nothing. I realize they THINK they're sacrificing time and effort to help salvage the beast, but they dont realize that they will need to get actors back,writers everyone and do a complete re-write on the ending to even hope for salvage.
The biggest challenge i personally believe they'll have to overcome will be the attitude towards them, generated by their own verbalization about not changing anything. Bad press may be publicity, but in a time of shrunken wallets and educated consumers, bad press can be deadly. Their open and obvious refusal to work with their customers while touting their empty claims to the opposite has damaged their reputation around the world.
When Bethesda had to rewrite the ending to fallout they did so at a loss of profit for the game, but in doing so, i believe they have earned a great deal of respect from the buying community around the world. They still dont tell a great story, and game mechanics are still stilted, but they stand behind their customers all the way. They didnt learn that lesson cheaply, nor without pain, but in the end, they've guaranteed themselves a solid place in peoples homes as a company than can be depended on to listen and respond, while developing very good games. Bioware will need to act quickly to correct the current situation, and learn the lesson Bethesda knows so well, or they will be in serious danger of losing everything.

X2. I agree with you

[Major Swift]

Jere85 wrote...

back, and i read your RGB thoughts MajorSwift , nice read.

lol thank you

[laughing sherpa girl]

chmarr wrote...

so EA and bioware boasting

"yes we shipped out 3.5 million copies of mass effect 3 and we have had 75 perfect reviews and the metacritic score was amazing"

fast forward to today and heres the facts

3.5 million shipped but only sold 1.5 million WORLDWIDE TO DATE

75 "perfect" reviews have now since dropped BELOW 50 as reviewers have now played the retail version and relise they were duped by the "review" version of the game which had MORE items in game but had a LOT of cutscenes removed which included the ENTIRE ending and they did not have the godchild in the review version so a lot of the reviewers have now retracted there scores.
the only ones that kept there scores are the ones in EA's pockets

the metacritic score oh wow ... really, metacritic scores are worth jackchit SERIOUSLY it means JACKCHIT.

and now the BBB actually got bioware to admit they LIED makes this the WORST game launch EVER ON RECORD.
.
bioware could not lie to the BBB as if they did they would face serious repercussion's, so bioware had to tell the truth to an agency that can shut them down and freeze there assests and then jail the founders.

so yes bioware has lied and now they will have to follow through on promises they made.

so whos REALLY to blame here:-

1)- bioware
2)- EA
3)- he founders of bioware
4)- the writers
5)- the game editors
6)- the game ending writers

take your pick as the list can grow.

yup for ONCE gamers have came out a shining example of honesty as we have NOT lied and we have shown CLEAR PROOF that we were LIED TO

And in the end, Bioware gets a bitersweet ending. Sweet in that, if they do the right thing they stay in business, bitter in that they now have to eat their own lies and bull**** and reap the rewards gotten by liars and thieves. Our government is capable of some pretty astounding evil, but from time to time, some good shines through..
Hold the line. We're not out of the woods yet.. 
Its really odd this feeling i have, that due to the realities surrounding ME3 and its advertisement and discimination, Bioware may never be looked on as a company worth investing in again.

[firstarioch]

Reply to Vahilor :

Also another matter which ignored here is us and our age.
I think people onvthis forum are mature and well read and educated.
its not like any other gaame when they can barely talk let alone write.
We have played their games for years and we know literature etc
also when you make apromise to us and say we will give you 16 endings we will believe you.

thus is not Mario. Where dev didn't include one Level he promsed and really who cares.
We expect to be treated as adults not like kids who swallow everytig.

Mass effect is a Mature game. With many influences from Asimov to Albert barille.

Modifié par firstarioch, 11 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[evisneffo]

Major Swift wrote...

lol thank you

Off topic but N'AAAAWWW cute avatar. :happy:

[g_bassi13]

Major Swift wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

back, and i read your RGB thoughts MajorSwift , nice read.

lol thank you

That avatar threw me off there at first. But it's nice.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 11 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[Vahilor]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

I find it ironic that for all of Biowares chatter about having to make sacrifices in the game, they cant see the obvious or are unwilling to make sacrifices themselves to salvage their flagship product. Sales numbers dwindle, pricing dwindles, and yet, the do nothing. I realize they THINK they're sacrificing time and effort to help salvage the beast, but they dont realize that they will need to get actors back,writers everyone and do a complete re-write on the ending to even hope for salvage.
The biggest challenge i personally believe they'll have to overcome will be the attitude towards them, generated by their own verbalization about not changing anything. Bad press may be publicity, but in a time of shrunken wallets and educated consumers, bad press can be deadly. Their open and obvious refusal to work with their customers while touting their empty claims to the opposite has damaged their reputation around the world.
When Bethesda had to rewrite the ending to fallout they did so at a loss of profit for the game, but in doing so, i believe they have earned a great deal of respect from the buying community around the world. They still dont tell a great story, and game mechanics are still stilted, but they stand behind their customers all the way. They didnt learn that lesson cheaply, nor without pain, but in the end, they've guaranteed themselves a solid place in peoples homes as a company than can be depended on to listen and respond, while developing very good games. Bioware will need to act quickly to correct the current situation, and learn the lesson Bethesda knows so well, or they will be in serious danger of losing everything.

To be honest Betesda did a great job on the post ending stuff of Fallout 3 and they had not an outcry as big as ME3 cause of their ending (I didn't even recognize there was an outcry ^^).
But Bethesdas big advantage was, the ending (even without the additional content) totaly fit into their Fallout franchise and there was no atomic ray child that was telling me I have to pic R/G/B to rescue humanity.

But things like this that even with smaller outcrys, some are willing to make stuff to satisfy their fans.. probably BW should look at examples like this.

Modifié par Vahilor, 11 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[Major Swift]

evisneffo wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

lol thank you

Off topic but N'AAAAWWW cute avatar. :happy:

lol thank you as well just got done getting it uploaded/made and such a little while ago

[Fallenfromthesky]

Playing through ME1 again to fill the void. Clunky game play, daft AI, Masses of walking but I love it all the same.

Introduced me to a whole new level of gaming where story and characters could take the limelight instead of shiny shiny graphics and gameplay

Modifié par Fallenfromthesky, 11 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[chmarr]

Cybermortis wrote...

Do NOT accuse EA of 'buying' reviews unless you can also provide hard evidence. All you have is speculation that could get you sued for libel. That may be your opinion, but that does not make it true OR defensable - bare in mind that private message boards such as this DO NOT fall under freedom of speach laws.

Threads have been shut because of such claims.

http://www.megagames...eld-3-reviewers

http://www.kotaku.co...ield-3-reviews/

[Kathris89]

 Hello all!!
So, I've been away since PAX, I was getting very intense and obsessed and my boyfriend recommended that I get away for a while. I did and it turns out it did help after all, I don't feel as betrayed or angry as I did, and so I'm back! 
And (as if it isn't obvious, he:whistle:) anything new lately?

[Rdubs]

chmarr wrote...

75 "perfect" reviews have now since dropped BELOW 50 as reviewers have now played the retail version and relise they were duped by the "review" version of the game which had MORE items in game but had a LOT of cutscenes removed which included the ENTIRE ending and they did not have the godchild in the review version so a lot of the reviewers have now retracted there scores.

This is absolutely a critical point beyond measure, which affects many aspects of the gaming community.  Do you have any links or articles that talk about this?

To me it seemed obvious that everyone who gave the game a perfect score either 1) never played through to the actual ending, or 2) never cared that much about the series so when they ending hit they were just like "whatever."  I have a feeling that the two best Forbes writers ever, Paul and Erik, actually liked the series and probably have played ME and ME2 through more than once.

[Shadow2G]

Kitedtk wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Sorry if this has been posted before friends but didn't see it on Mr. Bond's list. The guy who made that awesome 39 minute video about why the ending is broken now has one up about the Extended Cut DLC and it's another home run.

DJ recommend adding this to your list sir.

This mans videos are brilliant...

Yes. Nerdrage is brilliant. 

[Vahilor]

I only saw one german gamers journal that had the ending as a negativ point stated.. all others didn't even mention it.

[chmarr]

http://www.tomshardw...itic,12397.html

HA old news but proves something fishy about "75 perfect reviews" and also shows that the metacritic score can be inflated by false means

Modifié par chmarr, 11 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Major Swift]

Kathris89 wrote...

 Hello all!!
So, I've been away since PAX, I was getting very intense and obsessed and my boyfriend recommended that I get away for a while. I did and it turns out it did help after all, I don't feel as betrayed or angry as I did, and so I'm back! 
And (as if it isn't obvious, he:whistle:) anything new lately?

nothing of great importance since PAX and the extended cut announcement

[firstarioch]

Vahilor wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Vahilor wrote...


That's totaly my opinion. I'm an artist myself and if I draw for somone.. and that person wants a man drawn or a human.. I can't draw a hand on the head and tell that person "Sorry.. I can't change that.. cause of artistic integrigy and i like it that way." 

The person will rip the picture into pieces and tell me, that the picture is not what the person wanted and that I can't charge money for such a S.... and will tell others that they should not order drawings of me, cause I do not fullfill the customers expectations.

Ha, I make cryptex puzzle boxes for people. before I finish it I ask them what kind of riddle and what answer they want as the combination. Imagine if I did that, then said, "I decided to make my own combination for yours. The combination is Sh*tbox."

The customer says, " Well that's not what I expected, and it's far from what you promised me,"

My reply, " Well as an artist, it's my right to make this however I want, you don't want to suppress my artistic integrity, do you? Now pay me 60 dollars."

If I tell this my customers they will laugh at me and tell me to take my stuff and go to hell and they will never order anything of me again ^^

Reply to Vahilor :

Also another matter which ignored here is us and our age.
I think people onvthis forum are mature and well read and educated.
its not like any other gaame when they can barely talk let alone write.
We have played their games for years and we know literature etc
also when you make apromise to us and say we will give you 16 endings we will believe you.

thus is not Mario. Where dev didn't include one Level he promsed and really who cares.
We expect to be treated as adults not like kids who swallow everytig.

Mass effect is a Mature game. With many influences from Asimov to Albert barille.

[Bruinbear]

Vahilor wrote...

Yeah but if they wanna sell more games and more ME stuff, they should probably stop p... the fanbase, stop making cryptic statments, stop making fun of people in tweets and stop allways using "artistic integrigy" as an excuse for the crappy endings.. if they would be really so fan oriented like they often tend to tell.. they probably should be able to admit they did somthing wrong with the endings, that they made crap in the last 10 minutes and redo and fix it..

I think everybody would be much more satisfied if the would admit the mistake they made.. but all this.. "We stand behind our team and we want to keep the sh.. they make because of artistig integrigy" is like shooting into their own foot..

If I make somthing for the a big publicity I can't so what I want to.. when I want to sell somthing.. and I have to stay true to my franchise and not to come up with SPace magic and star child god creatures in an universe totaly build on science (ME scienec) that has nothing like SPace Magic or god like Space brats n 99%.

Well said.  This sums up how I feel quite nicely!

[Ohpus]

xHezz90 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Soo, on a completely random note, what happened to the person who created this thread? 

Haha you know I have actually been wondering the same thing for a while now. 

He doesn't like crowds?

[FOX216BC]

 Someone probably already posted this.
Article on extended ending published today.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-11-mass-effect-3-extended-cut-adds-player-personalisation-to-endings

[Phoenix NL]

Ohpus wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Soo, on a completely random note, what happened to the person who created this thread? 

Haha you know I have actually been wondering the same thing for a while now. 

He doesn't like crowds?

He's the Dr. Frankenstein to our monster

[Vahilor]

firstarioch wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Vahilor wrote...


That's totaly my opinion. I'm an artist myself and if I draw for somone.. and that person wants a man drawn or a human.. I can't draw a hand on the head and tell that person "Sorry.. I can't change that.. cause of artistic integrigy and i like it that way." 

The person will rip the picture into pieces and tell me, that the picture is not what the person wanted and that I can't charge money for such a S.... and will tell others that they should not order drawings of me, cause I do not fullfill the customers expectations.

Ha, I make cryptex puzzle boxes for people. before I finish it I ask them what kind of riddle and what answer they want as the combination. Imagine if I did that, then said, "I decided to make my own combination for yours. The combination is Sh*tbox."

The customer says, " Well that's not what I expected, and it's far from what you promised me,"

My reply, " Well as an artist, it's my right to make this however I want, you don't want to suppress my artistic integrity, do you? Now pay me 60 dollars."

If I tell this my customers they will laugh at me and tell me to take my stuff and go to hell and they will never order anything of me again ^^

Reply to Vahilor :

Also another matter which ignored here is us and our age.
I think people onvthis forum are mature and well read and educated.
its not like any other gaame when they can barely talk let alone write.
We have played their games for years and we know literature etc
also when you make apromise to us and say we will give you 16 endings we will believe you.

thus is not Mario. Where dev didn't include one Level he promsed and really who cares.
We expect to be treated as adults not like kids who swallow everytig.

Mass effect is a Mature game. With many influences from Asimov to Albert barille.

Yes and cause of that, the people start to complain =) somthing BW never was thinking about would happen...
But
I somhow wonder what they really thought of that endings ? Are they all
blind or do all of them have a totaly screwd taste or logic ?

Edit: sorry totaly put my answer on the wrong place and hid it in the qoutes XD

Modifié par Vahilor, 11 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[MeldarthX]

LOL news worth ?? No but awesomeness yes

http://officialtombr...t-by-madmatt138

[laughing sherpa girl]

Vahilor wrote...


To be honest Betesda did a great job on the post ending stuff of Fallout 3 and they had not an outcry as big as ME3 cause of their ending (I didn't even recognize there was an outcry ^^).
But Bethesdas big advantage was, the ending (even without the additional content) totaly fit into their Fallout franchise and there was no atomic ray child that was telling me I have to pic R/G/B to rescue humanity.

But things like this that even with smaller outcrys, some are willing to make stuff to satisfy their fans.. probably BW should look at examples like this.

I agree totally, but in light of the arrogance, flippancy and almost disdain of customers recently shown by Bioware, i would find it hard to believe they are capable of anything more than ear and lips service. Sadly, i dont believe i'm alone in this perception.
Sadly, my own enthusiasm for the ME universe, is waning, and i've grown tired of Biowares arrogance. I will keep holding the line and give them one last chance, but summer is it. There are better companies that deserve my money and if Bioware doesnt straighten up and fly right, I'll be lookin for better games to play by someone other than EA/Bioware.

[chmarr]

FOX216BC wrote...

 Someone probably already posted this.
Article on extended ending published today.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-11-mass-effect-3-extended-cut-adds-player-personalisation-to-endings

i feel bioware will backtrack after recent events and finally give us what we want, bioware are now running scared after the whole cluster**** since pre-launch untill today.

bioware needs to step up, admit they flucked up and will do what they promised, just think of all the post launch dlc which is now canned due to the events that have transpired