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[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

Which again makes no sense as Shepard should not survive that either..... GAH THE LAST PART OF THE GAME MAKES NO SENSE.

Yeah, Shepard somehow survives and... end credits?

[Nerevar-as]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Merge does seem like the best ending overall.

I don´t see an ending that spares the Reapers and follows the Guardian´s plan as good. Besides external facts such as the space magic involved, I won´t accept the logic of someone who uses a cycle of genocides to prevent a theoretical possible genocide.

[Garrus30]

Wasn't somewhere mentioned that you also need the Galaxy Collection Assignments in ME1?

• UNC: Prothean Data Discs
• UNC: Turian Insignias
• UNC: Valuable Minerals
• UNC: Locate Signs of Battle
• UNC: Asari Writings

Modifié par Garrus30, 02 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Mr.House]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

Which again makes no sense as Shepard should not survive that either..... GAH THE LAST PART OF THE GAME MAKES NO SENSE.

Yeah, Shepard somehow survives and... end credits?

It's more of what the Guardian says destory does and what he says Shepard is. It makes no sense how Shepard can survive destroy.

[TekFanX]

jellobell wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Where are the pictures that Xio posted?

The original links have expired but here are the relevant images.

Actually guys, there are two more photos.
Just change the 3 in the graphic-address (...photo_3...) to a 1 or 2.

[Bebbe777]

Bioware, in what universe are these endings good.

[Capeo]

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

It is?  Huh, I'll have to look at that chart again.  My bad.  And, yes, best is subjective for sure, though the script called Synergy the "perfect" ending.  I guess because it saves the most species.

[jlb524]

Mr.House wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

Which again makes no sense as Shepard should not survive that either..... GAH THE LAST PART OF THE GAME MAKES NO SENSE.

Yeah, Shepard somehow survives and... end credits?

It's more of what the Guardian says destory does and what he says Shepard is. It makes no sense how Shepard can survive destroy.

Haha, I never thought of that.

Oh hell, that's bad.

[AkiKishi]

Nerevar-as wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Merge does seem like the best ending overall.

I don´t see an ending that spares the Reapers and follows the Guardian´s plan as good. Besides external facts such as the space magic involved, I won´t accept the logic of someone who uses a cycle of genocides to prevent a theoretical possible genocide.

Well it beats being blasted back to the stone age. And the Reapers are not really evil, just misunderstood. In the same way a badger being culled would take a chunk out of the human doing it , that is what we are doing to the Reapers.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Mr.House wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

Which again makes no sense as Shepard should not survive that either..... GAH THE LAST PART OF THE GAME MAKES NO SENSE.

Yeah, Shepard somehow survives and... end credits?

It's more of what the Guardian says destory does and what he says Shepard is. It makes no sense how Shepard can survive destroy.

Troll-plot armor?

Thing is... noone said what Shepard does after the video. Nothing? It just cuts?

[Ksandor]

Gexora wrote...

Usually my posts get overlooked, but.
Concerning the "it's art" argument: I once read a pretty awesome story on internet. It was updated once in a while, and with a final update the author basically killed everyone. When some reader asked why did she chose such a grim ending, she answered: "I am way past the age when people believe in happy end".
The reader's answer? "Now grow out of the age when you believe only grim endings can be powerful".
An end to a story doesn't need to be sunshine and bunnies to be happy and doesn't need to be dark to induce feelings, it's just easier that way

Thank you Gexora for posting this. This is not only a very mature and great answer but the "Now grow out of the age when you believe only grim endings can be powerful" part thought me a new thing on English grammar.

That is EXACTLY our point.

[Mr.House]

Like really, the ending makes zero sense at all. There is nothing happy about it, so many plotholes and unexplained questions. Bioware really though this was good?

[jlb524]

Capeo wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

It is?  Huh, I'll have to look at that chart again.  My bad.  And, yes, best is subjective for sure, though the script called Synergy the "perfect" ending.  I guess because it saves the most species.

It's 'perfect' in the sense that you are removing the possiblity of Singularity occuring in the future with organics (which is the problem scenario the Reapers exist to prevent) while also eliminating the need for the Reapers (who's methods of controlling organic evolution are brutal).

It's the hardest ending to achieve as a 'base' (you can have a crappy EMS and still get Destroy/Control...going by that chart).  However, the hardest version of any ending to get is Destroy-Shepard lives which might be the 'best' for some people b/c it's important to them that Shepard survives.

[Richard 060]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

@ Richard 060

Congrats, you wrote one of the best contributions in this thread (in my opinion, of course), it was very interesting to read it.

Aw, thanks! 


Must confess, I'm a bit of a movie buff (i.e. movie nerd), and my big hobby with fiction is putting storytelling through the wringer, to see if it holds up to logical scrutiny or not. Aside from the rather narrow choice of endings apparently in ME3 (which is something of a disappointment, considering how 'choice' and 'variety' are what really made playing ME1/2 such a joy to experience), a couple of things were nagging me as being 'off' with the info in the spoilers, so I 'ran the numbers' through the 'plot mincer' in my head, and that's what I came up with...


While we're at it, why is it such a bad thing to want a 'good'/'happy' ending? Or rather, one AS WELL as all the angst, failure, pyrrhic victories, and such... Again with the 'choice' thing - how cool would it be to be able to CHOOSE to let Earth fall, or to sacrifice the Normandy, or even to fail miserably and watch the entire galaxy crumble while Shepard is powerless to stop it happening? Heck, there's a distinct lack of appallingly bad endings, as well - the ones leaked are all too damn 'same-y'.


Ideally, we'd have had 'either or' decisions like in ME1's finale (instead of choosing 'save the Alliance fleet OR the Council', it'd be 'sacrifice the Citadel to save Earth, OR vice-versa), combined with the 'level of success/failure' of ME2's suicide mission (depending on choices/readiness, allies, planets, or entire races live or die, not just individuals). The combination of the two would make for a truly epic ending (of your choosing, and then some!) that really builds on the storytelling devices of the previous games, and make for vast amounts of replay value, to boot.

Instead, I'm really worrying that ME3 will wind up as a 'Matrix: Revolutions'-style 'damp squib' - a missed opportunity full of squandered potential, that focussed on some last-minute hackneyed twist for cheap shocks, rather than making good use of the strengths of the previous stories. Here's hoping there's something we've all missed...

[Bebbe777]

They also said all questions shall be answered. Surprise Bioware, you lied again!

What happens to the crew?
Will Shep survive?
What will happen with all species?
What will happen with the galactic civilisation?
Who dies in the final battle on Earth?

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

It is?  Huh, I'll have to look at that chart again.  My bad.  And, yes, best is subjective for sure, though the script called Synergy the "perfect" ending.  I guess because it saves the most species.

It's 'perfect' in the sense that you are removing the possiblity of Singularity occuring in the future with organics (which is the problem scenario the Reapers exist to prevent) while also eliminating the need for the Reapers (who's methods of controlling organic evolution are brutal).

It's the hardest ending to achieve as a 'base' (you can have a crappy EMS and still get Destroy/Control...going by that chart).  However, the hardest version of any ending to get is Destroy-Shepard lives which might be the 'best' for some people b/c it's important to them that Shepard survives.

Yup, alive somehow, and alone on Earth.

[AkiKishi]

Does anyone know how you make an organic part synthetic ? Or is it just "space magic" as someone was saying.

[jellobell]

TekFanX wrote...

jellobell wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Where are the pictures that Xio posted?

The original links have expired but here are the relevant images.

Actually guys, there are two more photos.
Just change the 3 in the graphic-address (...photo_3...) to a 1 or 2.

Yup. Those two are TIM and Shepard talking to The Guardian, also taken by Xio.

[Mr.House]

*Guardian looks at SHepard*
"You are also synthetic."

That right there means there is no way Shepard should survive Destroy, yet Shepard can? WHAT THE HECK? My brain hurts.

[Sashimi_taco]

Mr.House wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Capeo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I still have a hard time believing there isn't at least one good ending.  Has Xio experimented with all ending choices with various level sof GAW and GR ratings?  What would be the point of making out the GAW/GR ratings if it only altered two variables, which only matter in ONE set of endings? (Destroy)  Also, the idea that Merge would be locked behind this mechanic makes even less sense.

Never before has ME locked out an ending through some bizarre mechanic, half of which is tied to MP.

The Synergy ending, which Xio showed us last night is the "best" ending.  It's the hardest to get and Joker actually looks happy even though they crashed.  And there's more variables in play.  It also depends if you have the Human Reaper's heart or brain which is based on your Collector Base choice.  They each make some variations harder or easier.  Once you get over a certain readiness level though you can always get the Synergy end though it may be harder to attain.  Apparently most of the variation is more in the missions to collect War Assets as your decisions in this and prior games can effect what options you have there.

Shepard survivng is in fact the hardest endign to get. You need 4000 ems.

Merge does seem like the best ending overall.

I thought you needed 5000 to get the best ending though?

It was miscommunication. Xoi comfirmed to get the best aka Shepard surving destory, you need 4000 ems. Though it makes no sense how Shepard can survive destory in teh first place....

So he did an ending with 5000 ems then?

[Ianamus]

Ksandor wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Usually my posts get overlooked, but.
Concerning the "it's art" argument: I once read a pretty awesome story on internet. It was updated once in a while, and with a final update the author basically killed everyone. When some reader asked why did she chose such a grim ending, she answered: "I am way past the age when people believe in happy end".
The reader's answer? "Now grow out of the age when you believe only grim endings can be powerful".
An end to a story doesn't need to be sunshine and bunnies to be happy and doesn't need to be dark to induce feelings, it's just easier that way

Thank you Gexora for posting this. This is not only a very mature and great answer but the "Now grow out of the age when you believe only grim endings can be powerful" part thought me a new thing on English grammar.

That is EXACTLY our point.

I agree completely, it's stupid. Life isn't like a soap opera, If you actually went outside and asked people you'd see that many people on the planet live long, full and happy lives. Happy endings are unrealistic? Say that to my grandparents or any number of people I know who have been happily married for many years and are satisfied with their lives. 

Modifié par EJ107, 02 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[AkiKishi]

Mr.House wrote...

*Guardian looks at SHepard*
"You are also synthetic."

That right there means there is no way Shepard should survive Destroy, yet Shepard can? WHAT THE HECK? My brain hurts.

I don't imagine Tali would be in the best of health without synthetic implants. What about Garrus after his reconstruction?

[Capeo]

Mr.House wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

'Best' ending is subjective.

The hardest ending to obtain based on EMS level is 'Destroy - Shepard survives'

It is?  Huh, I'll have to look at that chart again.  My bad.  And, yes, best is subjective for sure, though the script called Synergy the "perfect" ending.  I guess because it saves the most species.

It's 'perfect' in the sense that you are removing the possiblity of Singularity occuring in the future with organics (which is the problem scenario the Reapers exist to prevent) while also eliminating the need for the Reapers (who's methods of controlling organic evolution are brutal).

It's the hardest ending to achieve as a 'base' (you can have a crappy EMS and still get Destroy/Control...going by that chart).  However, the hardest version of any ending to get is Destroy-Shepard lives which might be the 'best' for some people b/c it's important to them that Shepard survives.

Yup, alive somehow, and alone on Earth.

Well, no, the whole population of Earth isn't decimated in that scenario is it?  

[mnomaha]

Just a funny thought..all this out and some of these devs are going to show up in person to "Launch Parties". Brave, very brave indeed.