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[thane0909]

how will DLC work then if you complete the game, have shep die, then download the DLC (as many who are against day-1 DLC will likely do). It worked in ME2 because you could still roam the ship and do side missions after the SM. I guess DLC will be flash backs or something (that would be lame though)

[Max Knight]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Richard 060 wrote...

While we're at it, why is it such a bad thing to want a 'good'/'happy' ending? Or rather, one AS WELL as all the angst, failure, pyrrhic victories, and such... Again with the 'choice' thing - how cool would it be to be able to CHOOSE to let Earth fall, or to sacrifice the Normandy, or even to fail miserably and watch the entire galaxy crumble while Shepard is powerless to stop it happening? Heck, there's a distinct lack of appallingly bad endings, as well - the ones leaked are all too damn 'same-y'.

Don't ask me, I love happy endings. I wish we could have a ending choice in the style from Return of the Jedi, I love the epic final space battle, the thrilling Jedi duel and the victory celebration with a short revisiting of the former locations.

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

QFT i would also love an ending like that.

[Ajin]

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

This. This is exactly what I wanted.

It just does not feel like a proper ending, a proper goodbye to all the people I've known, all the places I have visited, all the adventures I have had.

Modifié par Ajin, 02 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[xtorma]

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

I make decisions on what i spend money on by the information i am given. If bioware were concerned they would have addressed this issue. They haven't so I really have no choice but to go with the evidence i have been presented. If they really wanted to avoid this they should have not released the game early to a select few. I do not have any say so in their marketing choices, i can only look at the evidence and make a decision.

[Ianamus]

Ajin wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

This. This is exactly what I wanted.

Yes! Just like DA:O endings. Vague as it was I did think that they handled it very well, and it tied everything together nicely. 

...What could have been 

Modifié par EJ107, 02 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[JBurnes3]

TS2Aggie wrote...

JBurnes3 wrote...

I'm hoping they do come out with some Fix DLC, or they just put in some piracy protection so that there are ****ty endings in illegal copies.

1). They don't need to put in piracy protection to give people shi*tty endings; everyone gets them.

2). Rumor has it that they have inplemented a 'Worst Case Scenario' track for detected non-legal copies.

I know, but I can atleast dream that they did, or atleast dream that the day-one patch unlocks good endings (fingers crossed). 

[Nerevar-as]

TS2Aggie wrote...

JBurnes3 wrote...

I'm hoping they do come out with some Fix DLC, or they just put in some piracy protection so that there are ****ty endings in illegal copies.

1). They don't need to put in piracy protection to give people shi*tty endings; everyone gets them.

2). Rumor has it that they have inplemented a 'Worst Case Scenario' track for detected non-legal copies.

Taking cues from Batman AA?

But here, pirates get away again with none of our DRM disadvantages with hardly any consequences.

[BaronIveagh]

eye basher wrote...
What conections is just a game.

Not an RPG player, huh?  It's a matter of story.  People follow a character along, and get emotionally invested in that character (I draw your asttention to Twilight for an extreme boardering on sociopathy example).  THat's why so many people are upset with the leaked ending, becasue they viewed it as a big middle finger from Bioware to the players who had been fans of it as an RPG rather then the badly implimented shooter it has become.

[Tazzmission]

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

I make decisions on what i spend money on by the information i am given. If bioware were concerned they would have addressed this issue. They haven't so I really have no choice but to go with the evidence i have been presented. If they really wanted to avoid this they should have not released the game early to a select few. I do not have any say so in their marketing choices, i can only look at the evidence and make a decision.

you do realize the reason why they havent responded is because no matter what they say the so called fans will still be the same

im not telling you what to do but all i can say is advice wise play the game yourself before you know if you will hate it for sure

i agree yes the endings can be better but overall my money is not gona be wasted by cancelling it do to the endings


im all for the shepard dying ending i wanted that in for a long time

the relays i dont mind either but im not gona make a big fuss about it and allow it be the only reason to not play a 20 hour game

Modifié par Tazzmission, 02 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[GBGriffin]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Taking cues from Batman AA?

But here, pirates get away again with none of our DRM disadvantages with hardly any consequences.

Are contest winners pirates?

[Tazzmission]

 heres a ending i just wrote off the top of my head


after the destruction of the mass relays the normandy returns to earth 


3 days later after the reaper war a memorial is held by the alliance and species of the universe

they honor commander shepard for his/her bravery and sacrifise and in his memory  build a memorial to comemorate him/her


knowing there voice and heart of the team is dead and gone the normady crew go there seperate ways and the camera focuses on shepards grave and cuts to credits

[Nerevar-as]

GBGriffin wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Taking cues from Batman AA?

But here, pirates get away again with none of our DRM disadvantages with hardly any consequences.

Are contest winners pirates?

I meant point 2, which I understood pirated copies would get worse ending. Not much of a problem when the others aren´t much different or better.

[crimzontearz]

bioware would come out about it if it was just a piracy problem

Rocksteady and The devs of Darksouls did

[Gethaka]

The problem is not in the galaxy wide ending its in the personal endings.It doesn't resolve the personal issues like LI stuff.Also i don't think,from what i have read,that the element zero does not exist and has lost it's properties its "just" the mass relay's that are destroyed.

[wright1978]

Tazzmission wrote...

 heres a ending i just wrote off the top of my head


after the destruction of the mass relays the normandy returns to earth 


3 days later after the reaper war a memorial is held by the alliance and species of the universe

they honor commander shepard for his/her bravery and sacrifise and in his memory  build a memorial to comemorate him/her


knowing there voice and heart of the team is dead and gone the normady crew go there seperate ways and the camera focuses on shepards grave and cuts to credits

Well if it was one of many fine. There should always be the possibility of Shep getting out alive.

[Ksandor]

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

It will not hurt Bioware much in the long run at all.  *IF* the endings are really bad, and *if* they run off the old fans, Bioware has/will pick up new fans to make up for the loss (possibly more than they lose).  Figure the people who are going to be the most put out are the ones who played both ME1 and ME2, where Bioware is heavily marketing ME3 as the end all game - the perfect "you can start here" experience, etc.  

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

This is what I am saying all along. They don't take any actual risks. Old fans go, new fans come. Old men go young men come...

If they fail the franchise they won't improve it. They put it off the shelf instead, do something else and when they will fail the new franchise for profit then they will use ME4, 5 whatever to appeal the new audience to come.

Bioware is a company. As long as they can cash-in they will fail and recycle everything. Money talks! Ferengis will be pleased.

[scotkrow]

BaronIveagh wrote...

eye basher wrote...
What conections is just a game.

Not an RPG player, huh?  It's a matter of story.  People follow a character along, and get emotionally invested in that character (I draw your asttention to Twilight for an extreme boardering on sociopathy example).  THat's why so many people are upset with the leaked ending, becasue they viewed it as a big middle finger from Bioware to the players who had been fans of it as an RPG rather then the badly implimented shooter it has become.

It's no less an RPG, it's just a new kind of rpg, roll playing isn't the way you level up, or your weapons/inventory/customization, that's just gameplay mechanics.  Roll playing is playing a character who is thrown in situations and you make desisions based on your fantasy, but sometimes you only have so many choices, because it's either do these things, or do nothing. 

[Zykovia]

Why do some many people want to have miserable endings? Isn't real life awful enough, I would like to have the video game that I invested so much time into (probably too much time) to have an ending that does not take away happiness, it should provide some. I am going to keep my preorder, just out of some blind hope that it will be okay, but after what they did in DA2 and what they are apparently doing with ME3, I am going to mourn the loss of another game company that I liked.

[xtorma]

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

I make decisions on what i spend money on by the information i am given. If bioware were concerned they would have addressed this issue. They haven't so I really have no choice but to go with the evidence i have been presented. If they really wanted to avoid this they should have not released the game early to a select few. I do not have any say so in their marketing choices, i can only look at the evidence and make a decision.

you do realize the reason why they havent responded is because no matter what they say the so called fans will still be the same

im not telling you what to do but all i can say is advice wise play the game yourself before you know if you will hate it for sure

i agree yes the endings can be better but overall my money is not gona be wasted by cancelling it do to the endings


im all for the shepard dying ending i wanted that in for a long time

the relays i dont mind either but im not gona make a big fuss about it and allow it be the only reason to not play a 20 hour game

If you look at my post history , you will see that i have said i will definatly play the game. I just won't pay full price for it. It's not worth it to me. It does not mean i think nobody will enjoy it. It does not mean i think bioware are total losers. it just means i am not happy with the ending and i won't reward them for it. You can , and you will , and that is great i am just voicing my opinion on boards that allow it.

[Bebbe777]

Apparently the teleportation of your final 2 squadmates is a bug and should not happen. So if this is true, we can save two squaddies from getting marooned

[recentio]

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

In my experience, bad news about the plot of a story is almost always true. I have had this experience before with several fictional franchises. All of the red flags turned out to be genuine. If I am wrong, in this case, I'll run out and buy the game right away. But, in the preponderance of evidence that there really is no ending that keeps Shep and his team/LI together, I will not purchase the game until I see irrefutable proof that my Shepard won't get permanently separated from everyone he cares about no matter what I do. As a consumer, that is a feature that is a dealbreaker for me in ME3. If it is not there, I don't want to pay full price for the game. I'll wait and get it used at a vastly reduced price.

I do not resent the endings that are present in the game, nor would I ever ask that they be removed. They
seem like quality endings of a sort. However, they are not the sort of quality ending that I require to make a full-price purchase. I feel quite surprised that there is no good ending to ME3. I had thought that their emphasis on player choice and inter-character relationships (as squadmates, friends, lovers, enemies, etc.) would imply that these factors would be respected in at least one available ending. They are not. So I'm in no hurry to get it.

It's not selfish to ask that a product you pay for be satisfactory according to your own tastes. What is selfish is demanding that others pay for a product that is not satisfactory to them simply because you personally find it to be acceptable. That seems rather unreasonable to me.

[Kaidan Fan]

Ajin wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

This. This is exactly what I wanted.

It just does not feel like a proper ending, a proper goodbye to all the people I've known, all the places I have visited, all the adventures I have had.

Can Bebbe777 write the end for us? 

[Bebbe777]

Kaidan Fan wrote...

Ajin wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

This. This is exactly what I wanted.

It just does not feel like a proper ending, a proper goodbye to all the people I've known, all the places I have visited, all the adventures I have had.

Can Bebbe777 write the end for us? 

I will start the writing when I have the game 

Modifié par Bebbe777, 02 mars 2012 - 10:24 .