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[Risselda]

Having 2 squaddies live...I can live with that...

[xtorma]

recentio wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

In my experience, bad news about the plot of a story is almost always true. I have had this experience before with several fictional franchises. All of the red flags turned out to be genuine. If I am wrong, in this case, I'll run out and buy the game right away. But, in the preponderance of evidence that there really is no ending that keeps Shep and his team/LI together, I will not purchase the game until I see irrefutable proof that my Shepard won't get permanently separated from everyone he cares about no matter what I do. As a consumer, that is a feature that is a dealbreaker for me in ME3. If it is not there, I don't want to pay full price for the game. I'll wait and get it used at a vastly reduced price.

I do not resent the endings that are present in the game, nor would I ever ask that they be removed. They
seem like quality endings of a sort. However, they are not the sort of quality ending that I require to make a full-price purchase. I feel quite surprised that there is no good ending to ME3. I had thought that their emphasis on player choice and inter-character relationships (as squadmates, friends, lovers, enemies, etc.) would imply that these factors would be respected in at least one available ending. They are not. So I'm in no hurry to get it.

It's not selfish to ask that a product you pay for be satisfactory according to your own tastes. What is selfish is demanding that others pay for a product that is not satisfactory to them simply because you personally find it to be acceptable. That seems rather unreasonable to me.

give this lady a cigar.....or some brocolii if you are a health nut.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Just saw the marketing presentation of the best aspects of the game........ You guys are seriously cancelling your preorders?!....I'm just saying

Fixed that for you.

Trailers don't mean squat.  (It was a great trailer, though.)

Perfect example Dead Island trailer ---->Actual game Dead Island

If we compared the "Take Earth Back" with the game, that would be a similar example. But what you see in the ME3 launch trailer is in the game.

Edited and cut up to make it a marketing tool. Yes.

[XX55XX]

Elegana wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Apparently the teleportation of your final 2 squadmates is a bug and should not happen. So if this is true, we can save two squaddies from getting marooned

Source? 

The endings are still the same, though. 

I know. But if it is a bug and we really can save two of our squadmates, that's a lot better than losing them all. Plus you can save Tali, Garrus,  and 2 squadmates (plus, if it's Liara or the VS and they're your LI, you save them AND you still have the romance going).

Well, the issue remains that the closing cutscenes are incredibly brief and offer little insight into the aftermath of the game. It just ends. Even if they survive on Earth, you don't see them surviving (unless they get marooned, of course, where you do see them getting off the Normandy).

[Geowil]

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

Modifié par Geowil, 02 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[AdhamS]

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

[Mmw04014]

scotkrow wrote...

Mmw04014 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, 99.99 percent of you probably dont give a damn f*** about me but plz endure a minute or two with me. Tomorrow I have my Midterm exam in Economics..and I couldnt study because of this CRAP! To say I am enraged would be an understatement, I am raged that Bioware screwed up by allowing the script to be leaked, enraged that the ENDINGS that we know of are totally ludicrous and stunning!

After all the effort and dedication I spent in ME2, I cant be with my LI? I am not asking for a perfect happy ending but at least give my shepard the chance to mourn the dead while he is hugging his LI!

Is that much to ask for?

I feel ya.

I have two midterms that I should be studying for but this whole debacle is making it really hard.

Both you numnuts get off these forums and stay off for a few weeks and concentrate on your school, I didn't and now I regret it, don't do what I made the mistake of doing, sad thing is I might even be your age or younger.

Urm, no. I do just fine in school thanks.

[jellobell]

XX55XX wrote...

It's just a video game. Life goes on. It will come and pass. Pretty soon, ME4 will be announced, and many of us will be jumping for joy once again. 

Like hell we will.

[recentio]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Apparently the teleportation of your final 2 squadmates is a bug and should not happen. So if this is true, we can save two squaddies from getting marooned

source?

Just this thread, no idea where he/she got it from. Just saying what they are saying 
http://social.biowar...7/index/9584610 

If this is true, and I can pick who those two ppl are, I'll be happy once again. All I want is some togetherness at the end between Shepard and the people he's closest to: live or die, it's facing their fate together that matters most to me. Though, Planet Deliverance for everyone else doesn't sound like a great option under any circumstances...hmm. I still feel very skeptical. Need proof now.

[Ajin]

Tali, Garrus, you two are with me...
Sorry, Liara.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

AdhamS wrote...

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

Heh, nope. Not even the Reapers get a choice.

[Ianamus]

Risselda wrote...

Having 2 squaddies live...I can live with that...

It would make me feel better, but I have a feeling that the random teleportation is due to poor writing rather than an actual bug. I also doubt that the ending cutscene even recognises that they are still there, even if your in a romance with one of them. 

Modifié par EJ107, 02 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[XX55XX]

recentio wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Apparently the teleportation of your final 2 squadmates is a bug and should not happen. So if this is true, we can save two squaddies from getting marooned

source?

Just this thread, no idea where he/she got it from. Just saying what they are saying 
http://social.biowar...7/index/9584610 

If this is true, and I can pick who those two ppl are, I'll be happy once again. All I want is some togetherness at the end between Shepard and the people he's closest to: live or die, it's facing their fate together that matters most to me. Though, Planet Deliverance for everyone else doesn't sound like a great option under any circumstances...hmm. I still feel very skeptical. Need proof now.

Yet the ending cutscenes are all the same. You don't even see the ones you saved - it's an assumption that they survive because they don't show up in the marooned cutscene. There are no final conversations, no closing dialogues - that is what upsets me the most. It just ends. 

[recentio]

xtorma wrote...

recentio wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

In my experience, bad news about the plot of a story is almost always true. I have had this experience before with several fictional franchises. All of the red flags turned out to be genuine. If I am wrong, in this case, I'll run out and buy the game right away. But, in the preponderance of evidence that there really is no ending that keeps Shep and his team/LI together, I will not purchase the game until I see irrefutable proof that my Shepard won't get permanently separated from everyone he cares about no matter what I do. As a consumer, that is a feature that is a dealbreaker for me in ME3. If it is not there, I don't want to pay full price for the game. I'll wait and get it used at a vastly reduced price.

I do not resent the endings that are present in the game, nor would I ever ask that they be removed. They
seem like quality endings of a sort. However, they are not the sort of quality ending that I require to make a full-price purchase. I feel quite surprised that there is no good ending to ME3. I had thought that their emphasis on player choice and inter-character relationships (as squadmates, friends, lovers, enemies, etc.) would imply that these factors would be respected in at least one available ending. They are not. So I'm in no hurry to get it.

It's not selfish to ask that a product you pay for be satisfactory according to your own tastes. What is selfish is demanding that others pay for a product that is not satisfactory to them simply because you personally find it to be acceptable. That seems rather unreasonable to me.

give this lady a cigar.....or some brocolii if you are a health nut.

heh, I do enjoy a nice cigar once in a while... 

[Risselda]

EJ107 wrote...

Risselda wrote...

Having 2 squaddies live...I can live with that...

It would make me feel better, but I have a feeling that the random teleportation is due to poor writing rather than an actual bug. 

That's a hell of a poor writing.

I heard that the last encounter is solo, and the squad leaves because shepard is thought dead...hence why they are all on the normandy.

Do we have confirmation one way or another?

[Shockwave81]

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

You wanted the ending from Return of the Jedi (not the original one, mind...)?

Colour me retarded but assuming that the ending is what has been reported (and assuming I have understood what I've read) I think it is quite fitting. 

It has been stated (overtly or otherwise) throughout the series - that relying on Reaper tech gets you wiped out. Legion even praised Shepard in ME2 for sacrificing the quick path to unity in order to forge an independent path to the same goal.  What better way to create hope for the Galaxy then to take away the Reapers' ability to control its fate. 

Furthermore, the truest measure of a hero is selflessness.  If Shepard has to sacrifice his/her own immediate happiness for a future of freedom (and I'm talking on a universal timescale - for current and future species), then so be it.  

How suitably and sweetly ironic that a series about choice should ultimately end by taking it away - and I'm not being sarcastic.

I can't wait.  

Modifié par Shockwave81, 02 mars 2012 - 10:42 .

[XX55XX]

Risselda wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Risselda wrote...

Having 2 squaddies live...I can live with that...

It would make me feel better, but I have a feeling that the random teleportation is due to poor writing rather than an actual bug. 

That's a hell of a poor writing.

I heard that the last encounter is solo, and the squad leaves because shepard is thought dead...hence why they are all on the normandy.

Do we have confirmation one way or another?

Not really. Just hearsay at the moment. 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Just saw the marketing presentation of the best aspects of the game........ You guys are seriously cancelling your preorders?!....I'm just saying

Fixed that for you.

Trailers don't mean squat.  (It was a great trailer, though.)

Perfect example Dead Island trailer ---->Actual game Dead Island

If we compared the "Take Earth Back" with the game, that would be a similar example. But what you see in the ME3 launch trailer is in the game.

Edited and cut up to make it a marketing tool. Yes.

Not denying that at all, but the DI trailer everyone was going "whoah" with, was the CGI one. That's what I meant.

[Elegana]

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

We're not upset about the endings. We're upset that Shepard and his crew are separated. No matter what ending we choose, the Normandy ends up in bufu-Egypt, AWAY from Shepard if he lives. We accept the endings, but all we want is the Normandy to crash on Earth or to have Shepard be marooned with his/her crew.

[Tazzmission]

recentio wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

So how badly does Bioware hurt their reputation, as well as their fan base going forward after everyone plays this game and goes through these endings?

So for every old fan they lose I guess they figure they can pick up 1 or more new fans to the point of who cares?  New players will not care about the ending, as they do not have any emotional connection to the characters or existing story.  They will enjoy a grimdark ending an say it was 'edgy', etc.  

i mean this in a polite way and not a attack but if i was bioware i would be glad if the old rpg fans were gone

lets be honest here they do in fact do all the crying and moaning and say the most digusting things

i mean really alot of them have stated because theres no choices in these endings there gona cancell there orders.

ive said it before im not a true rpg fan i admit and i also admit that i dont allow myself to get so attached to a charachter mainly because things do change regarding a trilogy

i still love the universe they have created but i dont need to obsess over liara or tali to be a true mass effect fan

dont you think thats a bit selfish?

I have almost every album led zepplin ever made. I didnt buy " in through the out door" becase it was a horrible album. That is not selfish. that is being a consumer.

well in this case you are. i mean for christs sake people. your all upset because of some endings wich probably havent been 100% spoiled officially. you do realize your leak source is under a nda right? whos to say he isnt hiding something do to it?


if gamers now adays are this paranoid then seriously i pity the gaming community now

In my experience, bad news about the plot of a story is almost always true. I have had this experience before with several fictional franchises. All of the red flags turned out to be genuine. If I am wrong, in this case, I'll run out and buy the game right away. But, in the preponderance of evidence that there really is no ending that keeps Shep and his team/LI together, I will not purchase the game until I see irrefutable proof that my Shepard won't get permanently separated from everyone he cares about no matter what I do. As a consumer, that is a feature that is a dealbreaker for me in ME3. If it is not there, I don't want to pay full price for the game. I'll wait and get it used at a vastly reduced price.

I do not resent the endings that are present in the game, nor would I ever ask that they be removed. They
seem like quality endings of a sort. However, they are not the sort of quality ending that I require to make a full-price purchase. I feel quite surprised that there is no good ending to ME3. I had thought that their emphasis on player choice and inter-character relationships (as squadmates, friends, lovers, enemies, etc.) would imply that these factors would be respected in at least one available ending. They are not. So I'm in no hurry to get it.

It's not selfish to ask that a product you pay for be satisfactory according to your own tastes. What is selfish is demanding that others pay for a product that is not satisfactory to them simply because you personally find it to be acceptable. That seems rather unreasonable to me.

and see this is why i think your ok to have a adult convorsation with

you havent (so far) insulted the devs or the game  so ill bite

i understand that you may not of gotten what you wanted i feel you on that but isnt it fair to say that ever since the beta leaked a huge number of fans have been disgusting by calling the devs lazy let alone cancelling a pre order do to something that only affects the end of the game?

i stated myself that yes the endings can be better but despite how i feel on it ( i dont hate it nor i love it im just ok with it)

i dont go out and say the most nasty things anyone can say

[AdhamS]

scotkrow wrote...

Mmw04014 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, 99.99 percent of you probably dont give a damn f*** about me but plz endure a minute or two with me. Tomorrow I have my Midterm exam in Economics..and I couldnt study because of this CRAP! To say I am enraged would be an understatement, I am raged that Bioware screwed up by allowing the script to be leaked, enraged that the ENDINGS that we know of are totally ludicrous and stunning!

After all the effort and dedication I spent in ME2, I cant be with my LI? I am not asking for a perfect happy ending but at least give my shepard the chance to mourn the dead while he is hugging his LI!

Is that much to ask for?

I feel ya.

I have two midterms that I should be studying for but this whole debacle is making it really hard.

Both you numnuts get off these forums and stay off for a few weeks and concentrate on your school, I didn't and now I regret it, don't do what I made the mistake of doing, sad thing is I might even be your age or younger.

Dude Its not the internet,getting off is easy, but the real obstacle is your mind! I keep thinking about it 24/7 !!!!

[tasca1180]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Apparently the teleportation of your final 2 squadmates is a bug and should not happen. So if this is true, we can save two squaddies from getting marooned

source?

Just this thread, no idea where he/she got it from. Just saying what they are saying 
http://social.biowar...7/index/9584610 

Erm, did anyone actually check out that link? It's a thread about things people want fixed, not about what's getting fixed. So there's absolutely no news there. No saving two squad mates. Damn.

[cruggero22]

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

[XX55XX]

cruggero22 wrote...

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

People who have played the game have indicated that the game deviates very little from the leaked script. Contrary to what was said, they didn't change anything because fan feedback asked for it. 

[Cirreus]

thane0909 wrote...

how will DLC work then if you complete the game, have shep die, then download the DLC (as many who are against day-1 DLC will likely do). It worked in ME2 because you could still roam the ship and do side missions after the SM. I guess DLC will be flash backs or something (that would be lame though)

New Multiplayer Maps of course ! New Mutiplayer Skins ! New Mutiplayer Spectre Crates to unlock gear faster !

But hypothesizing (to answer your question about single player DLC) ;

1. It could be independent of Sherpard. They are allowing you to play other characters in MP. You'd just access it from the main screen or something. Your previous saves or play throughs wouldn't matter (as it currently does matter apparently when playing Deus Ex 3 ... Freudian slip , ME3 I mean) the iOS iPad game is a perfect example.

2. It's dropped in ala ME1. Tough turkey if you finished the game, you should have been keeping saves thoughout your play through attitude. Or start a new+ game ! Don't you want to get everyone killed again !? (This is most likely, based on past experience with EA/Bioware)

3. There is no SP DLC (quite possible). They maybe spent on this as a franchise for this console generation. Their plans for a MMO maybe 10+ years out (due to the Old Republic Star Wars MMO). And/Or they are going to put efforts into a spin off game or series.