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[Rdubs]

Hey DJ might want to add this to the video list, here is MrBTongue's response to the whole "ending clarification" DLC. He's the guy who made that 39 minute video detailing the problems with narrative coherence.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Mokiki wrote...

Ok random mass effect related question: Which real life name would you give the starchild?

Justin....(Bieber) lol *shivers*<_<

[sagevallant]

Anyone else kinda wish that the main plot wasn't so linear? When I got the game I was thinking "Okay, let's go get Tali before I accidentally start any other romance subplots" and then I couldn't go pick her up until near the end.

I mean, we all have certain expectations when walking into a Bioware game. I'm going to get a small batch of locations, all of which I have to visit but I can do so in any order. There will be more than one ending. There will be witty banter. Really, ME3 lets you down on most of these points. Sure, there is banter, but a lot of the time the conversations are either, "Wow, the Reapers really messed this place up" or "Can we really win this war?"

I also criticize that we find the Prothean weapon long before the real despair sets in. Was kinda hoping for a plot that wasn't "I'm told what I have to do, I go do it." There are only two curve balls in the plot, Kai Leng absconding with Prothean VI and the Star Child. No one likes the Star Child, and I think we all feel a little cheated that a relatively easy boss fight turns out to be unwinnable. Though we do feel a lot better when we hit that Renegade Interrupt after that final battle later on.

[Zwei133]

Jere85 wrote...

good day my fellow lineholders
Hows it going?
I found another vid from archengeia, its 8 hours old, so its probably been posted allready, but if not, here you go, 50 mins long though

This guy gets it.  Long winded, yes, but he gets it.

[toffeetrooper]

time to take the kids to training see you all in a couple of hrs

try not to eat all the cupcakes

[LadyMarisa]

Alamandorious wrote...

Heh, didn't know that the Better Business Bureau had come online with us lol.

wait, what?. Granted, I only check the thread a few times a day but I completely missed any mention of this.

[LadyMarisa]

Mokiki wrote...

Ok random mass effect related question: Which real life name would you give the starchild?

Art.

[Hendrik.III]

Mokiki wrote...

Ok random mass effect related question: Which real life name would you give the starchild?

Dick

[g_bassi13]

LadyMarisa wrote...

Mokiki wrote...

Ok random mass effect related question: Which real life name would you give the starchild?

Art.

Win

[evisneffo]

sagevallant wrote...

Anyone else kinda wish that the main plot wasn't so linear?

Yup. This is one of my non-ending-related criticisms about the game. The galaxy feels tinier due to the lack of hub worlds, which contributes to it. The story feels funnelled down and rigid in places. Most likely I could easily forgive this if the funnelling led you to a place that was worth getting to. As it is, there's no pay-off for letting yourself be dragged along by the story.

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toffeetrooper wrote...

time to take the kids to training see you all in a couple of hrs

try not to eat all the cupcakes

Catch ya later brother. Or sister.


EDIT v2> Search function on this forum suuuuuuuucks.

Modifié par evisneffo, 13 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Chewbacca99]

 don't know if this has been posted before, but the level of defensiveness from the BW guys still astonishes me (even after all that we have been through): 
http://social.biowar...x/11340267&lf=8 

This whole ending debacle is a product of their own creation - if they had just admitted that they messed up, and actually listened, and demonstrated that they are actually fixing the problem, we wouldn't be where we are today.  Of course, if only they had not been so disconnected with what their fans wanted, we would actually have gotten an ending that did Shepard (and us) some justice.  Instead we got... space magic.  

[DJBare]

Mokiki wrote...

Ok random mass effect related question: Which real life name would you give the starchild?

Site rules do not permit profanity, so I will refrain from answering.

[Ohpus]

Phoenix NL wrote...
I think they tend to leave us alone because we're not getting into arguments, we're not attacking Bioware or their staff, we do tend to have ME discussions that meander off into other things but we're pretty harmless........ for now!! Mwuhahahahahahahaha.. *cough cough* sorry about that.

There is a wise saying about not kicking over a hornet's nest.

[chmarr]

~sips on a cuppachino~

[Atrocity]

www.youtube.com/watch 
Already posted? Though I suppose half of the thread is subscribing to this guy anyhow 

[sagevallant]

Ohpus wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
I think they tend to leave us alone because we're not getting into arguments, we're not attacking Bioware or their staff, we do tend to have ME discussions that meander off into other things but we're pretty harmless........ for now!! Mwuhahahahahahahaha.. *cough cough* sorry about that.

There is a wise saying about not kicking over a hornet's nest.

That anything like a wasp's hive? Because I learned first hand why we don't mess with wasp hive. Good news is that it turns out I'm not allergic! 

[evisneffo]

yjchew wrote...

 don't know if this has been posted before, but the level of defensiveness from the BW guys still astonishes me (even after all that we have been through): 
http://social.biowar...x/11340267&lf=8 

That sounds about right with the tone of a lot of Mr. Woo's responses. I don't blame him for feeling defensive with the various levels of vitriol being thrown around, but given that he's posting as a representative of BW some of the things he's written have sounded uncomfortably aggressive. I hope the rest of the team doesn't all feel that way ...

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Atrocity wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 
Already posted? Though I suppose half of the thread is subscribing to this guy anyhow 

LOL this vid has been post in the last 3 pages *rolls eyes*

I haven't watched any of his videos due to how long they are.

[g_bassi13]

evisneffo wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

Anyone else kinda wish that the main plot wasn't so linear?

Yup. This is one of my non-ending-related criticisms about the game. The galaxy feels tinier due to the lack of hub worlds, which contributes to it. The story feels funnelled down and rigid in places. Most likely I could easily forgive this if the funnelling led you to a place that was worth getting to. As it is, there's no pay-off for letting yourself be dragged along by the story.

Pretty much. Also, why so linear if the game is barely 30 hours long. I'm probably sounding like a broken record to anyone who reads this thread, but you can't have an RPG nowadays that's so short if it doesn't branch out. I hate the lack of choice, and the loss of decisions mattering, but it happens before the ending.The ending takes it to a whole different level, but you can't pretend you had a different game or different playthrough than anyone else overall either. It's just one big linear game (or rather, small game).

 I was expecting something variety, but it feels like Bioware realized that putting more effort into the game wasn't going to translate to more sales. So they tried their hardest to pimp up whatever they decided was going to make it to the screen, but cut out the rest. And they cut out a lot. And I feel it's the player's loss.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 13 avril 2012 - 03:05 .

[Atrocity]

xHezz90 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 
Already posted? Though I suppose half of the thread is subscribing to this guy anyhow 

LOL this vid has been post in the last 3 pages *rolls eyes*

I haven't watched any of his videos due to how long they are.

Hey, I can't be held accountable, I was pm'd it, and I was following... well, obviously not following... thread via origin 

[Ohpus]

sagevallant wrote...

Anyone else kinda wish that the main plot wasn't so linear? When I got the game I was thinking "Okay, let's go get Tali before I accidentally start any other romance subplots" and then I couldn't go pick her up until near the end.

I mean, we all have certain expectations when walking into a Bioware game. I'm going to get a small batch of locations, all of which I have to visit but I can do so in any order. There will be more than one ending. There will be witty banter. Really, ME3 lets you down on most of these points. Sure, there is banter, but a lot of the time the conversations are either, "Wow, the Reapers really messed this place up" or "Can we really win this war?"

I also criticize that we find the Prothean weapon long before the real despair sets in. Was kinda hoping for a plot that wasn't "I'm told what I have to do, I go do it." There are only two curve balls in the plot, Kai Leng absconding with Prothean VI and the Star Child. No one likes the Star Child, and I think we all feel a little cheated that a relatively easy boss fight turns out to be unwinnable. Though we do feel a lot better when we hit that Renegade Interrupt after that final battle later on.

I kinda get the order of what they did. Wrex and the Genophage issue is on your back yard. The Quarians are way way over there in the outer rim. Still, for those people who romanced Tali it kinda sucks.

Then again, you get Ashley and then lose her for a good chunk of the game after Mars without really getting anywhere. Then there is Liara who is there all the time, but so tied up with the Shadow Broker stuff she hardly interacts with you. (Which is one of the reasons I went for Kelly in ME2.) People are complaining about the ME2 companions getting the romance shaft. Kind of the same thing with ME3:

LI: Hi there again.
LI: Hi there you still like me?
LI: Hi there, let's get crazy in your cabin.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Atrocity wrote...

Hey, I can't be held accountable, I was pm'd it, and I was following... well, obviously not following... thread via origin 

Haha! fair enough 

Would be funny if someone posted it in the next page too lol.

[g_bassi13]

yjchew wrote...

 don't know if this has been posted before, but the level of defensiveness from the BW guys still astonishes me (even after all that we have been through): 
http://social.biowar...x/11340267&lf=8 

This whole ending debacle is a product of their own creation - if they had just admitted that they messed up, and actually listened, and demonstrated that they are actually fixing the problem, we wouldn't be where we are today.  Of course, if only they had not been so disconnected with what their fans wanted, we would actually have gotten an ending that did Shepard (and us) some justice.  Instead we got... space magic.  

Oh god, I can't even stand hearing them talk anymore. It just enrages me, the arrogance of it.

[sagevallant]

evisneffo wrote...

yjchew wrote...

 don't know if this has been posted before, but the level of defensiveness from the BW guys still astonishes me (even after all that we have been through): 
http://social.biowar...x/11340267&lf=8 

That sounds about right with the tone of a lot of Mr. Woo's responses. I don't blame him for feeling defensive with the various levels of vitriol being thrown around, but given that he's posting as a representative of BW some of the things he's written have sounded uncomfortably aggressive. I hope the rest of the team doesn't all feel that way ...

The first quote seems pretty unfriendly, and we can probably assume the rest of the comments (that were removed, I guess?)  are just as bad? It may look a little bad, but it's got to be a pretty stressful time to be working for Bioware. TOR isn't looking as strong as they'd hope, and they shot copies of ME3 into space and DAYS LATER the outrage began over the ending & people were demanding refunds.

I don't think Bioware and the consumers have ever had a falling out like this before. If indeed they believed that the Star Child a solid and fulfilling ending. The ones that read the forums have got to be feeling worse than most, and all they can really do is "Hold Bioware's Line" agains the ravenous hordes from the depths of the internet. It's not like the forum moderators had anything at all to do with ME3's plot. Poor guys.

[g_bassi13]

sagevallant wrote...

evisneffo wrote...

yjchew wrote...

 don't know if this has been posted before, but the level of defensiveness from the BW guys still astonishes me (even after all that we have been through): 
http://social.biowar...x/11340267&lf=8 

That sounds about right with the tone of a lot of Mr. Woo's responses. I don't blame him for feeling defensive with the various levels of vitriol being thrown around, but given that he's posting as a representative of BW some of the things he's written have sounded uncomfortably aggressive. I hope the rest of the team doesn't all feel that way ...

The first quote seems pretty unfriendly, and we can probably assume the rest of the comments (that were removed, I guess?)  are just as bad? It may look a little bad, but it's got to be a pretty stressful time to be working for Bioware. TOR isn't looking as strong as they'd hope, and they shot copies of ME3 into space and DAYS LATER the outrage began over the ending & people were demanding refunds.

I don't think Bioware and the consumers have ever had a falling out like this before. If indeed they believed that the Star Child a solid and fulfilling ending. The ones that read the forums have got to be feeling worse than most, and all they can really do is "Hold Bioware's Line" agains the ravenous hordes from the depths of the internet. It's not like the forum moderators had anything at all to do with ME3's plot. Poor guys.

It's not like it's a bad job or anything. I'm sure they're happy when they hear all the praise that gets lavished onto a game. And considering they worked for Bioware, I'm sure they got a lot of it in the past. But they have to take the bad with the good. And if the company they represent screws up, then they do have to deal with it. They don't need my sympathy, especially if all they're going to do is puppet a bunch of arrogant talking points.