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[AdhamS]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

Heh, nope. Not even the Reapers get a choice.

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

FALSE ADVERTISEMENT THEN?!?!?!?!?!!

[XX55XX]

AdhamS wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

Heh, nope. Not even the Reapers get a choice.

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

FALSE ADVERTISEMENT THEN?!?!?!?!?!!

I AM CALLING THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION AND LODGING AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT

Modifié par XX55XX, 02 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[albertalad]

In a bad economy it is NEVER a good decision to write off any customers. Moreover, it is always a great PM triumph for any company that their best asset is their word combined with the integrity of their product has always been and will always be their very best PR strategy. Anything less in this economy combined with arrogant unfulfilled promises have wiped out many companies who believed that THEY were the exception to the rule. However, in this particular case most orders have already been, as is mine, passed through the bank weeks ago. BW can get away with this one based on their promises alone - nevertheless, from the leaked endings they were directly responsible for hundreds have already canceled their pre-orders and many more are already adopting a wait and see strategy. THAT is a very ominous warning in and of themselves with their ME3 product - a very strong signal of a troubled future. And any company who does NOT identify those signs of trouble early on deserves to go under due to their own mismanagement and out of touch handling well documented right here in these blogs. That spells deep trouble for the company down the road. And believe me other companies in this business won't lose no sleep over their troubles nor should they. But it does send a warning to those companies as well. A very sobering thought!

[Geowil]

Elegana wrote...

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

We're not upset about the endings. We're upset that Shepard and his crew are separated. No matter what ending we choose, the Normandy ends up in bufu-Egypt, AWAY from Shepard if he lives. We accept the endings, but all we want is the Normandy to crash on Earth or to have Shepard be marooned with his/her crew.

Ah that makes a bit more sense then but I stick by what I said before.  Until we know what exactly happens in the game I do not think we can just assume that the Normandy ends up where ever for no reason.  Well you can but that would be highly pessimistic.  Better to hope for the best but expect the wrose rather then flat out saying this is how it will be.  That way you do not kill your interest in the game yet are ready if it turns out to be true.  Either way we will find out on the 5th.

Modifié par Geowil, 02 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[Risselda]

cruggero22 wrote...

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

Thought the same...but if we look at recent bioware stuffies-

DA2 (wasnt around on the forums for this, but wasnt something similar happening? and they did nothing about it)

Deception - fans found 18 pages worth of wrong "lore"...some of which was glaringly obvious, like one of the main characters going gtom gay to straight in the last book, written by a different author

I personally think its being blown out of proportion, and that when its in context, it will be good. At least I hope. I cant help but to think the endings are ridicuously similar considering its the END of Shepards story...end of that series.

[jellobell]

XX55XX wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

People who have played the game have indicated that the game deviates very little from the leaked script. Contrary to what was said, they didn't change anything because fan feedback asked for it. 

They even made it worse. The Normandy being stranded and the relays blowing up in all endings wasn't in the script.

[Risselda]

jellobell wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

People who have played the game have indicated that the game deviates very little from the leaked script. Contrary to what was said, they didn't change anything because fan feedback asked for it. 

They even made it worse. The Normandy being stranded and the relays blowing up in all endings wasn't in the script.

I thought it was...just totally out of context

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Just saw the marketing presentation of the best aspects of the game........ You guys are seriously cancelling your preorders?!....I'm just saying

Fixed that for you.

Trailers don't mean squat.  (It was a great trailer, though.)

Perfect example Dead Island trailer ---->Actual game Dead Island

If we compared the "Take Earth Back" with the game, that would be a similar example. But what you see in the ME3 launch trailer is in the game.

Edited and cut up to make it a marketing tool. Yes.

Not denying that at all, but the DI trailer everyone was going "whoah" with, was the CGI one. That's what I meant.

It wasn't so much the CGI, it was the overall tone that the trailer set.

And then when people played the game that tone was nonexistent.

[XX55XX]

jellobell wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Did anyone stop and take a moment to consider the possibility that, perhaps, this supposed "script" was leaked purposefully, or that it was draft, one that wasn't finalized? As goes the adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." Also, writing is an ever-growing animal. What read well in your first draft, may not read well during the second draft. And often that process continues throughout the third, fourth, and fifth drafts; sometimes more, until the final product. Ponder, too, the possibility that these "endings" were "branch-offs" preset by certain actions taken in ME1 and ME2, poor ones. Maybe the ending is for those who have only, or will, for the first time, play ME, with ME3. Point being, you may be jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

People who have played the game have indicated that the game deviates very little from the leaked script. Contrary to what was said, they didn't change anything because fan feedback asked for it. 

They even made it worse. The Normandy being stranded and the relays blowing up in all endings wasn't in the script.

Well, yeah. Minor details here and there. Mac Walters and his affinity for grimdark at work there. 

[Elegana]

Geowil wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

We're not upset about the endings. We're upset that Shepard and his crew are separated. No matter what ending we choose, the Normandy ends up in bufu-Egypt, AWAY from Shepard if he lives. We accept the endings, but all we want is the Normandy to crash on Earth or to have Shepard be marooned with his/her crew.

Ah that makes a bit more sense then but I stick by what I said before.  Until we know what exactly happens in the game I do not think we can just assume that the Normandy ends up where ever for no reason.  Well you can but that would be highly pessimistic.  Better to hope for the best but expect the wrose rather then flat out saying this is how it will be.  That way you do not kill your interest in the game yet are ready if it turns out to be true.  Either way we will find out on the 5th.

We already know how the Normandy ends up on a planet. All our information comes from a user named Xoisite who has played the space edition copies twice. He even posted pictures of the Normandy crashed landed on a planet that looks like Jurassic Park. 

EDIT: Other information comes from a username named Tank from SomethingAwful forums who was an ex-tester from BioWare.

Modifié par Elegana, 02 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[CerberusSoldier]

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

  



when you see the ending you will change your mind . its bull Sh**

[Abaddon_86]

AdhamS wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

Heh, nope. Not even the Reapers get a choice.

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

FALSE ADVERTISEMENT THEN?!?!?!?!?!!

Yeah, they win... if you don't resume/load after being killed.

[crimzontearz]

so this is from another thread ....a reply by Stanley Woo

" Spam.

I think most people who are pre-judging the game based on what other people have said or done, should play the game for themselves before asking us for information or answers. Because really, spoiling the game for yourselves and complaining about how bad things are before the game has been officially released isn't conducive to constructive discussion.

But what do I know? i've only seen this phenomenon in our community for every release since Neverwinter Nights.

End of line."



to me it sounds like .....yeah....we are screwed

[cruggero22]

Were these the same people who leaked the script? Are they the BETA testers? And "indicated" is not a definitive term, it could be false. Perhaps there is a motive we're not privy to. There are too many unknowns to say for sure that ME3's ending is predestined, as stipulated in the leaked script. Misinformation creates a "buzz" of attention. I'd have to see it. I write them myself. I'd be able to tell if it's genuine if there are dissimilarities in the "character voice," and/or "sentence structure." They are like the fingerprints of a writer.

[albertalad]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

  



when you see the ending you will change your mind . its bull Sh**

Right, you speak for most people then this thread is not needed at all. BUT you don't speak for me nor the majority who use this thread either.

[Risselda]

I want to know what people who actually played the game think of this thread. o_o

[Die Varieties]

Shockwave81 wrote...

How suitably and sweetly ironic that a series about choice should ultimately end by taking it away...

A lot has been said in this thread and more will be said.  But your eloguent statement really caused me to pause and think -- wow, just wow!

[Elegana]

Risselda wrote...

I want to know what people who actually played the game think of this thread. o_o

I know people from other gaming forums think we're crazy. They haven't played the game, but they're laughing at us.

[XX55XX]

cruggero22 wrote...

Were these the same people who leaked the script? Are they the BETA testers? And "indicated" is not a definitive term, it could be false. Perhaps there is a motive we're not privy to. There are too many unknowns to say for sure that ME3's ending is predestined, as stipulated in the leaked script. Misinformation creates a "buzz" of attention. I'd have to see it. I write them myself. I'd be able to tell if it's genuine if there are dissimilarities in the "character voice," and/or "sentence structure." They are like the fingerprints of a writer.

Two beta testers started leaking information about the game last week. A couple of people who got their copies at WalMart early helped to confirm what was said. 

There is no doubt in my mind that these are the endings. 

[I_Jedi]

So. I can make all the poorest decisions from all three games and I still get the best ending guaranteed? Interesting.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

It wasn't so much the CGI, it was the overall tone that the trailer set.

And then when people played the game that tone was nonexistent.

Ah, now I get it.

Well, the tone up to the ending is something I don't know what it will be like. It could be quite good.

But the endings... sour taste.

[blind black]

crimzontearz wrote...

so this is from another thread ....a reply by Stanley Woo

" Spam.

I think most people who are pre-judging the game based on what other people have said or done, should play the game for themselves before asking us for information or answers. Because really, spoiling the game for yourselves and complaining about how bad things are before the game has been officially released isn't conducive to constructive discussion.

But what do I know? i've only seen this phenomenon in our community for every release since Neverwinter Nights.

End of line."



to me it sounds like .....yeah....we are screwed

END OF RINE!

[albertalad]

I_Jedi wrote...

So. I can make all the poorest decisions from all three games and I still get the best ending guaranteed? Interesting.

Actually you can start playing ME 3 having made none of the decisions at all and still get the best Christmas tree ending.

[XX55XX]

I_Jedi wrote...

So. I can make all the poorest decisions from all three games and I still get the best ending guaranteed? Interesting.

Well, like in real life, most of our decisions don't really have an impact on anyone beyond ourselves. 

[recentio]

Elegana wrote...

Geowil wrote...

I really do not see a problem with the endings. What were you expecting to happen? That with a 100% paragon play through of all games that there would be no bad consequences? That does not sound realistic to me considering the angle they went with ME3. It is a true galactic war of dozens of lesser species against a species that has been around since, well forever.

There was no way that everyone, every race, or every squad member was coming out of ME3 alive; more likely is that many would die regardless of your choices on the good side and that many more would die as a result of bad choices. War is hell, casualties are not only possible they are expected; why is that different from this game here?

In this kind of situation there is no victory, it is a lose/lose and what matters is which side loses more, Shepard is also not a god he is just a man mayhap with god-like will power and determination but a mortal none the less.

I will have to actually play the game and see the endings in that context to make a complete comment though, basing your opinions on an ending that takes 45+ hours of game play to reach (if you go for a 100%) without any of the resulting journey to that ending is like only reading the end of a book and saying that you hate how it ends and therefor the book must suck when there may be a completely logical explanation as to why what happened, happened within the rest of the story.

But to each his own. I am not about to let a little thing like a supposedly messed up ending get in the way of the rest of the game. Sure it is the climax of the series, but it will not break the game or ruin the series for most people if the events during ME3 justify such an ending.

We're not upset about the endings. We're upset that Shepard and his crew are separated. No matter what ending we choose, the Normandy ends up in bufu-Egypt, AWAY from Shepard if he lives. We accept the endings, but all we want is the Normandy to crash on Earth or to have Shepard be marooned with his/her crew.

Exactly. I don't mind a tragic ending. I do mind an ending that forces Shep and his ppl to be separated under every circumstance.