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[Risselda]

Alright...I have less faith now
Just learned the purpose/origin of the reapers. Very...very...meh. Did a completely different team create me3 story wise?

Just...they are trying to M Night Shamalan us.

[eye basher]

Die Varieties wrote...

Shockwave81 wrote...

How suitably and sweetly ironic that a series about choice should ultimately end by taking it away...

A lot has been said in this thread and more will be said.  But your eloguent statement really caused me to pause and think -- wow, just wow!

If ME actually had any real choices to begin with it would be but since it's just an illusion of choice no it ain't.

[Abaddon_86]

XX55XX wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Were these the same people who leaked the script? Are they the BETA testers? And "indicated" is not a definitive term, it could be false. Perhaps there is a motive we're not privy to. There are too many unknowns to say for sure that ME3's ending is predestined, as stipulated in the leaked script. Misinformation creates a "buzz" of attention. I'd have to see it. I write them myself. I'd be able to tell if it's genuine if there are dissimilarities in the "character voice," and/or "sentence structure." They are like the fingerprints of a writer.

Two beta testers started leaking information about the game last week. A couple of people who got their copies at WalMart early helped to confirm what was said. 

There is no doubt in my mind that these are the endings. 

plus leaked screenshots and videos.

[JBurnes3]

Given the whole "TAKE BACK EARTH" marketing scheme, I find it pretty lame that you're basically hitting some switch and destroying all the Reapers.

I want there to be an actual Fight, I want endings like:
1. (best ending) Discovery leads to completely demolishing the Reapers with a moderate amount of difficulty. It takes decades to rebuild, but the Reapers are gone and the races of the Galaxy find some sort of unity and the Galactic community becomes stronger and better than ever.
2. Reapers defeated, some races extinct based on Shepard's decisions. Overall relations between Humanity and other species unchanged, some species more trusting of Humans & some less trusting.
3. Same as 2, but humans basically take control of the Galaxy and run it their way.
4. Reapers defeated, humanity left alone in the Galaxy. Depending on Shepard's decisions Humanity unites to try to recover what they once had, or utter chaos and humanity is on a path of self-destruction.
5. Reapers defeated, humans extinct & the other races survive. Shepard's efforts to destroy the Reapers and take back Earth fail, but are not in vain as the other races unite to defeat the Reapers once and for all using data that Shepard sent to the Council before launching his failed attack.
6. Reapers win, but information is left behind to warn future civilizations of the Reapers before hand and possibly stop them.
7. (Worst Ending) Reapers win, cycle of extinction continues.

^And variations thereof

[albertalad]

XX55XX wrote...

I_Jedi wrote...

So. I can make all the poorest decisions from all three games and I still get the best ending guaranteed? Interesting.

Well, like in real life, most of our decisions don't really have an impact on anyone beyond ourselves. 

Lol - each of us affects the others in our lives and they us. Try messing up and then see the effects on others.

[blind black]

Risselda wrote...

Alright...I have less faith now
Just learned the purpose/origin of the reapers. Very...very...meh. Did a completely different team create me3 story wise?

Just...they are trying to M Night Shamalan us.

can i get a PM on this? 

[XX55XX]

Risselda wrote...

Alright...I have less faith now
Just learned the purpose/origin of the reapers. Very...very...meh. Did a completely different team create me3 story wise?

Just...they are trying to M Night Shamalan us.

Drew Karpyshyn, the usual lead writer, left BioWare a little while ago. Probably that had something to do with it. 

[RazorrX]

crimzontearz wrote...

so this is from another thread ....a reply by Stanley Woo

" Spam.

I think most people who are pre-judging the game based on what other people have said or done, should play the game for themselves before asking us for information or answers. Because really, spoiling the game for yourselves and complaining about how bad things are before the game has been officially released isn't conducive to constructive discussion.

But what do I know? i've only seen this phenomenon in our community for every release since Neverwinter Nights.

End of line."



to me it sounds like .....yeah....we are screwed

he can not really say anything about it.  

Yes even NWN had its fans (me) and haters (Lots of  Aribeth Hate went on).  I still rank NWN as one of the most amazing games ever for the simple fact that it allowed anyone to build a module or world and host it for friends and actually play dnd via DM console.  Was the OC kind of meh?  Sure, but the game itself was awesome.  I think NWN even more than BG made me a bioware fan.  I spent years playing that game.

but back on track.  Stanley, Chris, nor any Bioware Employee will be able to say anything until post launch.  Even then they will most likely wait for a while (probably until sales start declining) to actually respond.  They as a company need this game to make money, you will not get any official response until much later.

Also I am still kind of hoping there is actually something else rather than what this thread as had for endings.  Yes I know, i am feeding on self delusion, but until I get to that point I am keeping any nerd rage in check.  Or trying.

[Rdubs]

albertalad wrote...

haynoats wrote...

Bioware needs to be about their consumers. Without consumers, you have no games, no vision, no company.

Commitment. From Mass Effect to Mass Effect 3. Hours of game play, dollars of support for dlc. Choices carefully made in consideration of future possible consequence. Relationships chosen and either carefully maintained or forfeited for another. Effort. Devotion.

That is just a snapshot of what the faithful players of the series have put into this game. What is the result?

Choices that ultimately make no difference. Relationships that ultimately have no pay-off. An ending which is taken out of the players hands more or less to make sure there is no "Rocky" knockout finish possible for the player to choose. You know....like REAL rpg play.

If people had known a year ago what they know now, there would be no ME3. But you Bioware folks already knew that didn't you? So what did you do? You lied. "Yes choices matter." "Yes people will be pleased with the outcome of the romances." "We think people will be excited out how we chose to end Shepards' saga." "The faithful will be rewarded."

Rewarded my shiney hiney. I cannot fathom that you are that out of touch with your fanbase. Maybe you are. Maybe you are just plain ignorant. Maybe this is how you get your jollies. Maybe this is why Drew and others have fled the company. Maybe you have become just another EA drone company. In any case, I would not be surprised.

This is a very true summary.  +1

EDIT: Especially the part about how if we had known this a year ago, there would have been an outcry and ME3 would never have been produced, at least not like this.  But now it's a fait accompli and a lot easier for the devs to deal with, which was the plan all along.

Modifié par Rdubs, 02 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[I_Jedi]

JBurnes3 wrote...

Given the whole "TAKE BACK EARTH" marketing scheme, I find it pretty lame that you're basically hitting some switch and destroying all the Reapers.

I want there to be an actual Fight, I want endings like:
1. (best ending) Discovery leads to completely demolishing the Reapers with a moderate amount of difficulty. It takes decades to rebuild, but the Reapers are gone and the races of the Galaxy find some sort of unity and the Galactic community becomes stronger and better than ever.
2. Reapers defeated, some races extinct based on Shepard's decisions. Overall relations between Humanity and other species unchanged, some species more trusting of Humans & some less trusting.
3. Same as 2, but humans basically take control of the Galaxy and run it their way.
4. Reapers defeated, humanity left alone in the Galaxy. Depending on Shepard's decisions Humanity unites to try to recover what they once had, or utter chaos and humanity is on a path of self-destruction.
5. Reapers defeated, humans extinct & the other races survive. Shepard's efforts to destroy the Reapers and take back Earth fail, but are not in vain as the other races unite to defeat the Reapers once and for all using data that Shepard sent to the Council before launching his failed attack.
6. Reapers win, but information is left behind to warn future civilizations of the Reapers before hand and possibly stop them.
7. (Worst Ending) Reapers win, cycle of extinction continues.

^And variations thereof

I thought this was specifically what they said they *wouldn't* do.

[CerberusSoldier]

JBurnes3 wrote...

Given the whole "TAKE BACK EARTH" marketing scheme, I find it pretty lame that you're basically hitting some switch and destroying all the Reapers.

I want there to be an actual Fight, I want endings like:
1. (best ending) Discovery leads to completely demolishing the Reapers with a moderate amount of difficulty. It takes decades to rebuild, but the Reapers are gone and the races of the Galaxy find some sort of unity and the Galactic community becomes stronger and better than ever.
2. Reapers defeated, some races extinct based on Shepard's decisions. Overall relations between Humanity and other species unchanged, some species more trusting of Humans & some less trusting.
3. Same as 2, but humans basically take control of the Galaxy and run it their way.
4. Reapers defeated, humanity left alone in the Galaxy. Depending on Shepard's decisions Humanity unites to try to recover what they once had, or utter chaos and humanity is on a path of self-destruction.
5. Reapers defeated, humans extinct & the other races survive. Shepard's efforts to destroy the Reapers and take back Earth fail, but are not in vain as the other races unite to defeat the Reapers once and for all using data that Shepard sent to the Council before launching his failed attack.
6. Reapers win, but information is left behind to warn future civilizations of the Reapers before hand and possibly stop them.
7. (Worst Ending) Reapers win, cycle of extinction continues.

^And variations thereof

   




The reapers win in the end anyway . there was no war or saving Earth . It was huge lie by Bioware

[AdhamS]

Abaddon_86 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

Guys wait a Second! Isnt there an ending for the Reapers winning?!?!???!?!?!?!?

Heh, nope. Not even the Reapers get a choice.

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

FALSE ADVERTISEMENT THEN?!?!?!?!?!!

Yeah, they win... if you don't resume/load after being killed.

Was that confirmed? I didnt resume after getting killed in the demo.....

[RazorrX]

XX55XX wrote...

Risselda wrote...

Alright...I have less faith now
Just learned the purpose/origin of the reapers. Very...very...meh. Did a completely different team create me3 story wise?

Just...they are trying to M Night Shamalan us.

Drew Karpyshyn, the usual lead writer, left BioWare a little while ago. Probably that had something to do with it. 

Drew was not really that involved (if at all) with ME2, he was just the lead writer/creator for ME1.

[Thane64]

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

[Rdubs]

N172 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Also, quite a bit off-topic here, but the launch trailer has now been released. Damn, does it ever look great. Especially the space battles:

Official launch trailer

Another reason to hope that there is an ending where shepard wont get permanently seperated from the others.

See that hot scene with him and Ashley?  The ONLY thing I ask is for the ability to imagine my Shepard continuing to be able to do that.  But no, Bioware knows better.

I sure hope the Day 1 patch fixes this.  If so I'll even buy that cash grab From Ashes just as a monetary way of eating crow.

[Elegana]

Thane64 wrote...

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

I believe it alludes to the epilogue that appears no matter what ending you get.

[cruggero22]

While I cannot argue that what many would consider a "happy" ending, is very unlikely given the circumstances; I wouldn't go as far to say some degree of happiness is impossible. That aside, I'm sure we're all familiar with non-disclosure agreements. All BETA testers sign one, most, if not all. How they would obtain a copy of the script seems odd enough, not taking into consideration the legal ramifications for contract violation. As for the Walmart situation, I could only imagine that wouldn't be taken lightly by the legal staff at BW.

[I_Jedi]

Thane64 wrote...

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

maybe the germans like bad endings.

[HiroVoid]

crimzontearz wrote...

so this is from another thread ....a reply by Stanley Woo

" Spam.

I think most people who are pre-judging the game based on what other people have said or done, should play the game for themselves before asking us for information or answers. Because really, spoiling the game for yourselves and complaining about how bad things are before the game has been officially released isn't conducive to constructive discussion.

But what do I know? i've only seen this phenomenon in our community for every release since Neverwinter Nights.

End of line."



to me it sounds like .....yeah....we are screwed

Yep.  Remember how great Dragon Age 2 was!

[Ianamus]

Thane64 wrote...

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

Apparently it just shows an old guy talking to his grandson about "The Shepard"

[Ataru13]

Is it really so wrong to want my Shepard to fly off into the sunset with his LI on his arm, his crew at his back, and Queen's Princes of the Universe blasting over the Normandy PA?

[Risselda]

Elegana wrote...

Thane64 wrote...

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

I believe it alludes to the epilogue that appears no matter what ending you get.

One thing that does not add up is during an interview bioware mentioned you would get an epilogue that would go into detail the futures of the species and even induvidual characters.

Lie or no lie?

[recentio]

Thane64 wrote...

people are saying the final cutscene doesn't explain alot but a german magazine recently reviewed the game and stated that an 'interesting sequence plays out after the end credits'
This MIGHT show the normandy crew being rescued!

It's the old-man and inbreed little boy storytime epilogue. In PR-speak "interesting" means "artistic crap." Always. If it was good they'd say "great."

[crimzontearz]

at least they were honest about some things

For DA2 I asked if there was NG+. I said no NG+ equals no buy for me. I was told there was no NG+ hence I never bought the game....simple as that


mow they are just being dishonest