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[iheartbob]

I don't even have words for some of the recent comments.

[cruggero22]

recentio wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Regardless. I have been pleased with the writing and plot events in ME thus far. Due this, I have no reason to believe that ME3 will be any different.

Losing some of what you've fought so hard to save, allows you to truly appreciate what is left standing. That is drama; that is tragedy; the right mix makes for one whopper of a story.

That justifies the inclusion of a grimdark ending. But it doesn't justify the *exclusion* of an alternative, still dark ending where Shep and his LI/crew aren't forced to separate for all time.

I mean to say that it is uncertain whether this will be the actual ending. I feel that, by what I've seen, they would not exclude what you had mentioned. I would like much the same. But, I would have also liked Hyden Christansian NOT to play Aniken. 

[XX55XX]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Actually, in business the customers always right thing is more an ideal, not the reality. A lot of times the investors and backers and financial supporters and higher-up's are the real determinator.

And quite often they're wrong and the customer is right. 

But it ends up killing cash flow for the quarter! 

Look at Apple. They don't do focus groups for a reason. Even Steve Jobs claims that people really don't know what they want. And look at how Apple has been successful, despite not listening to consumers most of the time for guidance. 

[XX55XX]

iheartbob wrote...

I don't even have words for some of the recent comments.

You mean the ones about Weimar Germany? I am proud of those posts. Going to print them out and post them on my refrigerator door. 

Modifié par XX55XX, 03 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

eye basher wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Just saw the launch trailer........ You guys are seriously cancelling your preorders?!....I'm just saying

Are you new here? People take their video games very seriously here, thank you. 

not seriusly is just quite a  bit anoing that after ME and ME 2 building the conections with the characters they will make ou Sheps pull a more or less Code Geass R2 ending...and at least in R2 it made sense

What conections is just a game.

"Just a game" and "what connections?" are for people satisfied with endless empty pew pew in games like CoD and BF.

[RazorrX]

aries1001 wrote...

So people here are still upset about the open endings? (assuming that the leaked endings is indeed true and correct)

To me, it seems like people are upset because either Shepard ends up alone or the crew on the Normandy ends up alone and we do not know what is happening to them; they are, in other words, gone. Just like the Warden in DA:O or The Hero of Ferelden in DA2.

It seems to me that many people (most people) want some sort of happy ending where Shepard is with his crew? Or with his Love Interest (LI)? But judging from the trailers, Bioware have shown us, most recently the launch 2:44 minute trailer released earlier today, I can tell that the ending for this game - and maybe for the universe - and Earth as well - does not bode well. Reapers all over the place - this foreshadows (predicts sort of) dark, sinister, sad endings as the only way to stop the Reaper attack seem to be to stop them doing what they've have been doing every 50,000 year untill now. (which is middle in the 21st or 22nd century).

Shepard needs to stop the Reapers and he does it by any means necessary - even if it means going up against the Reapers alone, it seems. But still, the game ends with open endings....

Just to throw this out to you...

In ME 1 we learned that the way the Reapers have always won is they jump to the Citadel - shut down all mass relays, pull the information on what systems are inhabited, where the largest populatins, etc. are and then attack 1 system at a time.  This is an attack on 1 isolated system.  In other words, they have never and I mean NEVER taken on a unified force before.  They always isolate and then fight.

The Protheans altered the Keepers to the point that the Reapers did not and can not repeat that attack plan.  The relays are active, the citadel is secured, and the Reapers do not have the full intelligence on enemy population and strength.

In ME 2 we have learned that not  only do we have better hull armor and shields that can take a reaper powered blast - but we actually now have reaper strength weapons.  The Turians managed to reverse engineer the main weapons from the wreckage on the Citadel.  

Thus we have what the Reapers have never faced before: A unified attack, with Millions of ships.  Ships with the same weapons that the Reapers have, and nearly equivalent shields and armor.  We can have Millions of Geth hacking the Reapers as the fleet blasts them, etc. Never in history have the reapers ever faced this. 

Why does this suddenly equal "There is no hope but total galaxy wide devestation and the death of Shepard and his crew"?

The fact is - there should very well be a 'golden path' playthrough were not only do you win (and at high cost of assets, planets, etc. ) but that you and your crew could very well be together and actually have a party for how the war has been won.  Now that is not to say that the ONLY ending be that way, nor that it should be easy to get that ending. 

[recentio]

cruggero22 wrote...

recentio wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Regardless. I have been pleased with the writing and plot events in ME thus far. Due this, I have no reason to believe that ME3 will be any different.

Losing some of what you've fought so hard to save, allows you to truly appreciate what is left standing. That is drama; that is tragedy; the right mix makes for one whopper of a story.

That justifies the inclusion of a grimdark ending. But it doesn't justify the *exclusion* of an alternative, still dark ending where Shep and his LI/crew aren't forced to separate for all time.

I mean to say that it is uncertain whether this will be the actual ending. I feel that, by what I've seen, they would not exclude what you had mentioned. I would like much the same. But, I would have also liked Hyden Christansian NOT to play Aniken. 

I hope to discover that a "Together to the End" ending is in fact possible. From what I've heard, Shep orders his final squaddies back to the Normandy and goes solo into the final confrontation -- no possible way to stay together with any of them. They will always get stranded. For me, this is a dealbreaker.

[iheartbob]

XX55XX wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

I don't even have words for some of the recent comments.

You mean the ones about Weimar Germany? I am proud of those posts. Going to print them out and post them on my refrigerator door. 

Pictures, or it didn't happen.

[Acrylium]

Modifié par Acrylium, 03 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

EJ107 wrote...

Ajin wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

This is what I really wanted. 
A reunion with those that fought on Earth with the crew, Hackett, Anderson and other important characters. Scenes from the different homeworlds and the Citadel as they celebrate and mourn those that have fallen. 
And then perhaps you are given dialogue choices like in DAO what Shep will do now. Maybe retire with the LI and help rebuild. Become an Admiral. Become the leader of Cerberus. 
And then some epilogue telling us what later happend with these choices. Did the Quarians get an Embassy once more. Did the Geth work with the others. How is Citadel Space. Did the Krogan rise up again. What did all the characters do afterwards. 

This. This is exactly what I wanted.

Yes! Just like DA:O endings. Vague as it was I did think that they handled it very well, and it tied everything together nicely. 

...What could have been 

YES, denoument and epilogue along the lines of DA:O would have been perfect for the end of the trilogy and end of Shepard's story.

[DXLelouch15]

i can guarandamntee the majority of the world doesnt like grimdark

[humes spork]

XX55XX wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

I don't even have words for some of the recent comments.

You mean the ones about Weimar Germany? I am proud of those posts. Going to print them out and post them on my refrigerator door. 

Yeah, really interesting discussion of post-war German politics and I miss it because I'm busy hiding from tornadoes. Dammitall.

[XX55XX]

iheartbob wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

iheartbob wrote...

I don't even have words for some of the recent comments.

You mean the ones about Weimar Germany? I am proud of those posts. Going to print them out and post them on my refrigerator door. 

Pictures, or it didn't happen.

Here's one:

http://social.biowar...916/336#9587715 

[AdhamS]

aries1001 wrote...

So people here are still upset about the open endings? (assuming that the leaked endings is indeed true and correct)

To me, it seems like people are upset because either Shepard ends up alone or the crew on the Normandy ends up alone and we do not know what is happening to them; they are, in other words, gone. Just like the Warden in DA:O or The Hero of Ferelden in DA2.

It seems to me that many people (most people) want some sort of happy ending where Shepard is with his crew? Or with his Love Interest (LI)? But judging from the trailers, Bioware have shown us, most recently the launch 2:44 minute trailer released earlier today, I can tell that the ending for this game - and maybe for the universe - and Earth as well - does not bode well. Reapers all over the place - this foreshadows (predicts sort of) dark, sinister, sad endings as the only way to stop the Reaper attack seem to be to stop them doing what they've have been doing every 50,000 year untill now. (which is middle in the 21st or 22nd century).

Shepard needs to stop the Reapers and he does it by any means necessary - even if it means going up against the Reapers alone, it seems. But still, the game ends with open endings....

....NO........I expect some of squad mates to die, even the ones I liked such as garrus for example, BUT I believe should be rewarded for making sure my LI is safe and sound- a good ending that touches what you were talking about would be Shepard+his/her LI mourning the death of their comrades but acknowledging their death wasnt for nothing and they start rebuilding their worlds......

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ENDING..for me at least...BUT the grimdark ending should be available as well for the people who like it! BUT NOT EVERY ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO SWALLOW IT!

[Whatever42]

XX55XX wrote...

But it ends up killing cash flow for the quarter! 

Look at Apple. They don't do focus groups for a reason. Even Steve Jobs claims that people really don't know what they want. And look at how Apple has been successful, despite not listening to consumers most of the time for guidance. 

True, you can't really give too much credence to focus groups and polls. And you can give none to Internet forums, where a small minority can give you a distorted view of the what the consumer wants.

And I fully intend to play the game and experience the ending for myself. I think it will be a great game.

But if there is a lack of emotional payoff for those players who went through the series playing an heroic, triumphal Shepard then those players will feel understandably cheated. Jobs wouldn't have made that mistake because while he didn't rely on focus groups, he did deliver what people wanted.

[Killjoy Cutter]

recentio wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

recentio wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

Regardless. I have been pleased with the writing and plot events in ME thus far. Due this, I have no reason to believe that ME3 will be any different.

Losing some of what you've fought so hard to save, allows you to truly appreciate what is left standing. That is drama; that is tragedy; the right mix makes for one whopper of a story.

That justifies the inclusion of a grimdark ending. But it doesn't justify the *exclusion* of an alternative, still dark ending where Shep and his LI/crew aren't forced to separate for all time.

I mean to say that it is uncertain whether this will be the actual ending. I feel that, by what I've seen, they would not exclude what you had mentioned. I would like much the same. But, I would have also liked Hyden Christansian NOT to play Aniken. 

I hope to discover that a "Together to the End" ending is in fact possible. From what I've heard, Shep orders his final squaddies back to the Normandy and goes solo into the final confrontation -- no possible way to stay together with any of them. They will always get stranded. For me, this is a dealbreaker.

Why would I even want to or bother with playing the game if that's the "best" ending possible?

[Rdubs]

albertalad wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Official launch trailer

Would you be kind enough to point me toward the Ashley scene. Thanks!

1:40 in the above.  Looks like it's going to be more like ME than the cheap PG crap in ME2.

[aries1001]

Linguage wise the word 'interesting' means something else in German that it does in English or even Danish. It means more like a good or distinct scene after the credits. As for the discussion about Hitler, please let this dicussion lie. However, I'll say this: Not all Germans voted for Hitler. How Hitler - and his party - managed to come power in Germany is a very long discussion not suited for a forum where political discussions are not allowed.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Wait, **** is censored? Ha!

[cruggero22]

I could be wrong. I will admit to being biased when it comes to how I would like to see this end. It may be my attachment to the story interfering. The primary thing to keep in mind is that what was leaked is not necessarily the whole story.

[Killjoy Cutter]

XX55XX wrote...

But it ends up killing cash flow for the quarter! 

Look at Apple. They don't do focus groups for a reason. Even Steve Jobs claims that people really don't know what they want. And look at how Apple has been successful, despite not listening to consumers most of the time for guidance. 

Apple has been successful purely on knowing what they could get away with stealing from other companies, repackaging things in pretty shells, and slick, deceptive marketing. 

Nothing more. 

Almost every "innovation" people association with Apple came from someone else. 

[XX55XX]

aries1001 wrote...

Linguage wise the word 'interesting' means something else in German that it does in English or even Danish. It means more like a good or distinct scene after the credits. As for the discussion about Hitler, please let this dicussion lie. However, I'll say this: Not all Germans voted for Hitler. How Hitler - and his party - managed to come power in Germany is a very long discussion not suited for a forum where political discussions are not allowed.

It's true that not everyone voted for Hitler. In fact, there were small protests in Berlin following the passing of the Enabling Act, which were dispersed by security forces under control by the ****s. 

But, it's important to understand that the nature of Weimar politics - the way seats were distributed in the Reichstag indirectly helped create the turmoil that encouraged players like von Papen to seek Hitler's support in forming coalition governments when no party could gain a majority. And that in and of itself, allowed the ****s an opportunity to take over the government, little by little, through negotiations with key stakeholders. 

[XX55XX]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

But it ends up killing cash flow for the quarter! 

Look at Apple. They don't do focus groups for a reason. Even Steve Jobs claims that people really don't know what they want. And look at how Apple has been successful, despite not listening to consumers most of the time for guidance. 

Apple has been successful purely on knowing what they could get away with stealing from other companies, repackaging things in pretty shells, and slick, deceptive marketing. 

Nothing more. 

Almost every "innovation" people association with Apple came from someone else. 

True, Apple is not an innovative company, but they know what the customer wants, and they execute their concepts well. You can't say the same about companies like Dell or HP. Or BioWare, for that matter. 

Marketing is only half of that story.