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[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...
lol this (for some reason) reminds me of that monty python thing with the dead parrot

*decides to LOL even know she has no idea what you are talking about*

You don't know Monty Python? Or you don't know the Parrot Sketch that they did?

[firstarioch]

How is it going people! !!
Good morning! !!
How is the fight! ?

[evisneffo]

*thread revive!*

Ending Thoughts of the Day -- Brown Edition:

Usually, I don't like reading pre-release articles. I avoided most of those for ME3. Of the things I did read, however, the information that stuck with me the most (aside from this which I failed to realise at the time was a joke ... must have skipped over the disease section ... but would have been interesting, no?) was the claim by one of the leads that the ending would make some people very happy and others angry.

There are a few things that could be added at this point: the later claim that the ending was intended to polarise (they evidently misjudged proportions here); the claim that s***ulation was the goal; the content of the endings themselves and the content of complaints with them. Putting those aside, however -- I didn't know what to think upon reading that quote the first time. Obviously I thought, I hope I'm one of those who will be very happy. I didn't like to think much about what kind of ending would produce this effect.

But now in hindsight, I'm curious: has a polarising, partly-anger-producing ending ever been the outright goal of any other franchise, or game? Is it a good goal to have the active aim of angering your customers? Is it because delivering potentially cliche but reliably loved endings just isn't edgy enough anymore? Is being edgy worth that risk? Is that kind of risk necessary to deliver a memorable experience?

I saw a discussion once, not strictly on the same topic but along the same lines, in which someone cited KotOR as an example of a twist in a story that's still remembered and loved today. And there's the thing. Without spoiling much, KotOR's light side ending was one you could without much of a stretch call cheesy or cliche, but it was worth every damn second to get there. People talk about KotOR, they don't call it out for having a cheesy or cliched ending. People could very well have speculated about the post-game events to this day if not for KotOR 2 and SWTOR following up [or, as I hear, butchering] the story. People still talk about that twist in the story. Yes, the game is old. It stood the freakin' test of time. I'm reinstalling it right now, because I need a distraction.

It stood the test of time. That was the BioWare many people fell in love with. When it's been as many years gone as it has for KotOR, what will the legacy of Mass Effect 3 be?

*thread dies from being talked to death*

Modifié par evisneffo, 15 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[xcomcmdr]

Archengeia has a nice voice.

[Major Swift]

xHezz90 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...
lol this (for some reason) reminds me of that monty python thing with the dead parrot

*decides to LOL even know she has no idea what you are talking about*

lol here you go!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...
You don't know Monty Python? Or you don't know the Parrot Sketch that they did?

Don't know the sketch lol. I don't live under a rock you know, I have heard of and seen some of Monty Python. Though I will admit to have never seen the movies.

[GroverA125]

evisneffo wrote...
*thread dies form being talked to death*

That's a fair point. We should probably find some sort of contingency plan should this thread die out before it's intended ToD. Some way of us regrouping on this forum instead of wandering aimlessly, unable to find everyone else. Seeing as it's getting rather slow here, I'd say now's as good a time as ever.

[evisneffo]

GroverA125 wrote...

evisneffo wrote...
*thread dies form being talked to death*

That's a fair point. We should probably find some sort of contingency plan should this thread die out before it's intended ToD. Some way of us regrouping on this forum instead of wandering aimlessly, unable to find everyone else. Seeing as it's getting rather slow here, I'd say now's as good a time as ever.

*cringes seeing her un-fixed typo*

Haha, don't get me wrong, that was a jab at my long-winded post and not at anyone else. Chatter is fine so long as we don't go too far astray; there are only so many times you can say the same thing anyway.

[Major Swift]

evisneffo wrote...

*cringes seeing her un-fixed typo*

Haha, don't get me wrong, that was a jab at my long-winded post and not at anyone else. Chatter is fine so long as we don't go too far astray; there are only so many times you can say the same thing anyway.

lol im tired enough that i actually didn't see the typo until you pointed it out

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

lol here you go!

LOL I understand why that popped into your head 

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

lol here you go!

LOL I understand why that popped into your head 

Monty is some of the best British comedy ever~! :lol::lol: Along with Rowan Atkison and Stephen Fry~!
And now I've finished watching the episode, this really is goodnight folks~! *hugs all around, with an extra one for Swift and Hez* I'll be on in roughly 10 hours maybe less~! 

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

Monty is some of the best British comedy ever~! :lol::lol: Along with Rowan Atkison and Stephen Fry~!
And now I've finished watching the episode, this really is goodnight folks~! *hugs all around, with an extra one for Swift and Hez* I'll be on in roughly 10 hours maybe less~! 

*hugs* Have a good sleep! 

[Major Swift]

Nharia1 wrote...

Monty is some of the best British comedy ever~! :lol::lol: Along with Rowan Atkison and Stephen Fry~!
And now I've finished watching the episode, this really is goodnight folks~! *hugs all around, with an extra one for Swift and Hez* I'll be on in roughly 10 hours maybe less~! 

*hugs* sleep well!
and yeah i agree Rowan Atkison is pretty good haha

[Goodwood]

evisneffo wrote...

*thread revive!*

Ending Thoughts of the Day -- Brown Edition:

<snip>

*thread dies from being talked to death*

Nice Yahtzee reference there!

You're absolutely correct in bringing up KotOR (the sequel was developed by Obsidian and had little to nothing to do with BioWare); I still regard the major plot twist as the best in video gaming history (this coming from a guy who never played a whole heck of a lot of games). Upon first reaching it, it took me completely gormless, causing me to sit there and go all giddy and muttering "omg omg omg omg this is so cool!" The mission itself where the twist takes place was also very well-done, heightening the drama.

The thing is, that twist was properly hinted at in the context of the story through suggestive dialogue as well as other circumstances. Not only that, but it took place at an appropriate point; up until then, you had completel roughly two-thirds of the game, leaving you the entire last third to pick and role-play your desired choice for the character through to its logical conclusion.

ME3's genre-defying "edgy" (now there is a word whose meaning I regard with high disdain) Deus Ex Machina of an ending was hobnailed in at the last possible moment and made absolutely no sense, either in-context or standing on its own merits. And it shows.

Modifié par Goodwood, 15 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Atrocity]

Good morning everyone. I see thread got faster when I was asleep
Any news/funnies/hurtful things/underdwellers/unicorns?

[toffeetrooper]

hi all back in the line

going to try an avetar change

[Major Swift]

http://i0.kym-cdn.co...268/802/046.jpg pretty much what happens if the extended cut ends up being extremely bad

[Mokiki]

Ha it's weekend and this thread is buzzing with life again. Good Morning/evening/night

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

http://i0.kym-cdn.co...268/802/046.jpg pretty much what happens if the extended cut ends up being extremely bad

LOl yep pretty much.

& I am pretty sure the extended cut is going to be awful.

I hope for the day that I say "Wow I was so wrong, the EC was awesome" but I doubt that will happen.

[Major Swift]

Mokiki wrote...

Ha it's weekend and this thread is buzzing with life again. Good Morning/evening/night

i wouldn't say buzzing with life but we still have a pulse :lol:

[evisneffo]

Goodwood wrote...

*snip*

ME3's genre-defying "edgy" (now there is a word whose meaning I regard with high disdain) Deus Ex Machina of an ending was hobnailed in at the last possible moment and made absolutely no sense, either in-context or standing on its own merits. And it shows.

Thanks! Although, any reference was totally accidental ... oops *-10 points of coolness*

To clarify, I'm not in any way calling the end of ME3 a twist. Done well, it could have been, but it defies most descriptions other than the label of deus ex machina, which I guess by its nature means it would have had no foreshadowing anyway. The KotOR mention was mainly to demonstrate that a game that ends on a possibly cliche but nonetheless reliable note can still be vastly memorable and for all the right reasons.

So yes, completely agree. The KotOR twist was handled incredibly skillfully, on top of everything else that was right with that game, which is why it's still such a damn good game to remember and play even after all this time -- heck, I only played it for the first time last year. (I reached that scene at 3am after marathoning and it made me a bit hysterical at first. Memorable by any definition of the word.) The ME3 ending? Not even close.


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Mokiki wrote...

Ha it's weekend and this thread is buzzing with life again. Good Morning/evening/night

*waves* Nice to see you!

Modifié par evisneffo, 15 avril 2012 - 08:28 .

[Mokiki]

Well I had to catch up on more pages than usual

[ld1449]

Goodwood wrote...

Nice Yahtzee reference there!

You're absolutely correct in bringing up KotOR (the sequel was developed by Obsidian and had little to nothing to do with BioWare); I still regard the major plot twist as the best in video gaming history (this coming from a guy who never played a whole heck of a lot of games). Upon first reaching it, it took me completely gormless, causing me to sit there and go all giddy and muttering "omg omg omg omg this is so cool!" The mission itself where the twist takes place was also very well-done, heightening the drama.

The thing is, that twist was properly hinted at in the context of the story through suggestive dialogue as well as other circumstances. Not only that, but it took place at an appropriate point; up until then, you had completel roughly two-thirds of the game, leaving you the entire last third to pick and role-play your desired choice for the character through to its logical conclusion.

ME3's genre-defying "edgy" (now there is a word whose meaning I regard with high disdain) Deus Ex Machina of an ending was hobnailed in at the last possible moment and made absolutely no sense, either in-context or standing on its own merits. And it shows.

And unfortunately, now all we can do at this point, is wait...

We, the fans, have done almost all we conceivably can. Now we simply need to have patience, faith and hope that something, at the very least palatable comes out of this.

Its a faint hope truth be told.

Whenever I think of their extended cut DLC I think of all the awesome stuff they could add, only to eventually have to sit through the star brat all over again and thus find that no, it STILL isn't worth playing, even with all the new content if Star brat stays.

So, ultimately at this point, it really is in Biowares hands.

I will never again say something like "In Bioware we trust"

They broke that rather definitively with this. But unfortunately in Bioware we must put whatever fragile faith we may have left to hope that at least SOMETHING half way decent is salvaged from this series that could have really been great.

[Atrocity]

Major Swift wrote...

Mokiki wrote...

Ha it's weekend and this thread is buzzing with life again. Good Morning/evening/night

i wouldn't say buzzing with life but we still have a pulse :lol:

I don't. I'm powered by space magic 
Which refuses to study for my German exam and to improve my essay. Lazy stupid space magic...

[Goodwood]

evisneffo wrote...

Thanks! Although, any reference was totally accidental ... oops *-10 points of coolness*

In his review of Dragon Age II, Yahtzee compared it to the ME series by saying that a player could unfocus their eyes and pretend that they were "playing Mass Effect Brown Edition." This was in reference to the departure in dialogue presentation made by DA2 from DA:O, something which I liked and appreciated, as I have said on many occasions that fully-voiced narration is the wave of the future for RPGs of all stripes (whether they be traditiona, action-RPGs, or what have you; the days of the silent protagonist are nearly over).

Edit: @ ld1449:

I'll be waiting right beside you, mate, however my faith in BioWare has taken more severe a hit and will be even slower to recover. This assumes that the Extended Cut will do much extending, something which I doubt very strongly. I'm prepared to be surprised and amazed, but I'm waiting for habeus corpus to kick in.

That said, I'll prolly just watch the new footage on YouTube.

Modifié par Goodwood, 15 avril 2012 - 08:40 .