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[GodWood]

scotkrow wrote...

bettak wrote...

"It's controversial! Just kidding it's bull****. Making your character die at the end does not make the majority of people sad or feel proud or anything like that. It just makes people angry. Because this character has been your escape from reality. A little bit of pleasure outside of the modern world that makes you forget about all the horrible **** that goes down every day. Mass Effect, the series you've put hundreds of hours into and in return you get some bittersweet, dramatic bull**** no matter what happens? Why do I need to reminded of how hopeless life can be?

Because the real world sucks. These are some of the news headlines for today:

Death toll in Ohio School Shooting rises
Massachusetts teacher facing child porn charges had secret cameras in classroom
Remains of some 9-11 victims went to landfill
Syria Death Toll Rises, as EU Slaps More Sanctions
14 year old shoots and kills mother
South Carolina lobbyist found dead inside parking garage likely committed suicide
Jurors being seated in Pa. priest child-rape case

This is the **** we are hit with every fricking day. And that's not including the stuff we deal with our own lives. Relatives who have cancer, parents who are getting divorced, bills and debt piling up, spending every day in a 9 to 5 job just trying to get by.

Is it really so awful that we want the things that we consider to be entertainment, something other than the horribly depressing tones of every day life to actually be happy? To actually be an escape from what we deal with in the real world. Is that really so much to ask?"

And that's why fiction targetted at adults should try to emulate that and not insult me by telling some bull**** tale where "twoo wuv and idealism saved the day and they all lived happy ever after".

Modifié par GodWood, 28 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[brain_damage]

Planescape:Torment had a bittersweet ending. Putting skill and time and emotions into the game was worth it, because with that you can get the best ending - which while depressing also had a sense of hopefulness. Your crewmates were free to live the life they wanted to lead, free of their personal torment - while you had a chance to redeem yourself in the future, atone for your sins and maybe get free(after a long time). This was a good bittersweet ending. It was REWARDING.
The endings here are not rewarding and the make you feel bad. They eliminate the sense of hope. Emotional investment and time investment are worthless because you are f*cked either way. They're simply not rewarding. And after all, after 5-6 years of waiting and replaying and being a part of this game, we should be able to get a happy ending.

[DiebytheSword]

GodWood wrote...

Speaking of Stephen King the ending to the film version of The Mist was quite similar in it's gut-wrenchingness. Ahhh, that was wonderful.

Quite, even though the book's ending was quite a bit more bleak, the film delivered true horror of a sort the novel never delivered.  It was so good King was quoted saying he wished he thought of it before Darabont.

[yoshibb]

adneate wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's not meaningless. You saved the galaxy, and depending on how much **** you did you saved more lives.

Yet in fiction in order from the audience to care about something you have to set it up and make them care about it. I don't care about the galaxy in this game since it's full of one attribute blank slates with generically generated faces standing in place forever. I don't care and have no reason to care about any of these "characters", it's like if at the end of the movie every character they had dies then they cut to some people you've never seen being alive.

Who cares!? I don't feel anything a bunch of strangers are living somewhere, emotionally the audience is with the dead people and being dead sucks.

Quoted for truth.

If you want us to care than the story shouldn't have been about Shepard and his crew. We saved a ton of people who didn't listen to us and called us crazy for three games. Hooray! The whole game has been built around the lives of crew of the normandy. If they don't have a satisfying end then it means nothing to the audience because that's all we see and who we connect with. We do not connect with a bunch of statistics and numbers.

[Badpie]

brain_damage wrote...


The endings here are not rewarding and the make you feel bad. They eliminate the sense of hope. Emotional investment and time investment are worthless because you are f*cked either way. They're simply not rewarding. And after all, after 5-6 years of waiting and replaying and being a part of this game, we should be able to get a happy ending.

What is the point of playing any game at all unless in the end you feel rewarded?  That may sound like some kind of entitled statement but I don't think as far as games go it is.  You're playing a game to win and to feel like you won.  The most I would get from any of these endings is.....so that happened.

[GodWood]

Shepard saved the galaxy and (depending on how hard he worked) saved millions more lives then what he could have if he did a half arsed job. That's not satisfying for you?


I thought the majority of this fanbase was paragon. Guess the cat is out of the bag now huh?

[Jackal7713]

GodWood wrote...

scotkrow wrote...

bettak wrote...

"It's controversial! Just kidding it's bull****. Making your character die at the end does not make the majority of people sad or feel proud or anything like that. It just makes people angry. Because this character has been your escape from reality. A little bit of pleasure outside of the modern world that makes you forget about all the horrible **** that goes down every day. Mass Effect, the series you've put hundreds of hours into and in return you get some bittersweet, dramatic bull**** no matter what happens? Why do I need to reminded of how hopeless life can be?

Because the real world sucks. These are some of the news headlines for today:

Death toll in Ohio School Shooting rises
Massachusetts teacher facing child porn charges had secret cameras in classroom
Remains of some 9-11 victims went to landfill
Syria Death Toll Rises, as EU Slaps More Sanctions
14 year old shoots and kills mother
South Carolina lobbyist found dead inside parking garage likely committed suicide
Jurors being seated in Pa. priest child-rape case

This is the **** we are hit with every fricking day. And that's not including the stuff we deal with our own lives. Relatives who have cancer, parents who are getting divorced, bills and debt piling up, spending every day in a 9 to 5 job just trying to get by.

Is it really so awful that we want the things that we consider to be entertainment, something other than the horribly depressing tones of every day life to actually be happy? To actually be an escape from what we deal with in the real world. Is that really so much to ask?"

And that's why fiction targetted at adults should try to emulate that and not insult me by telling some bull**** tale where "twoo wuv and idealism saved the day and they all lived happy ever after".

Why mess up things for people that want a non depressing ending? Should they carter only to you? Get over yourself interests. People are only asking for one good ending. Thats not to much to ask for. But according to you, they shouldn't get any right? You need to get your mind right.

[Sashimi_taco]

balancer wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What i don't understand is if all the marketing is about saving earth, why are you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the end?

Shepard isn't stranded in the middle of nowhere, the Normandy Crew is (which is even more confusing since aren't they fighting the Reapers on Earth?). Somehow, the Citadel gets transported NEAR earth, which Shepard on it. From there, you make your choice. 

yea, that has me wondering as well thats one of the things that stinks with the endings. í mean the fight is at the local cluster why the hell would the normandy be elsewere?

Are the squadmates with or without shep?

[Alex06]

AVPen wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

There are 7 endings we know of. 6 of them are:
2 endings for Control
4 endings for Destroy
Each of these range from "Earth is screwed" to "Earth is ok". This has been confirmed by several people who played the game early.

There's also another one, a 7th ending, which is stated to be an ending we can achieve if we "get a perfect game", and that is the Synergy, or "Merge" ending. (They are one and the same) I'm guessing the NG+ ending is this one.

Incorrect, the Synergy "Merge" ending is NOT the Perfect Ending (not by a long shot, apparently), nor is it the NG+ Ending (which no one has seen as of yet).

I never said the Synergy ending was the perfect ending (that would be the one where Shep survives), but the script says it's the ending you get if you "get a perfect game". As for NG+, well, there are 7 endings, that is for sure, and I've listed all 7 of them. This was confirmed by someone who played the game...It may just be that the guide was written at an earlier stage, when the game itself was set to have an NG+ ending, or where the Synergy ending could only be acquired through NG+.

[Satanicponies]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

balancer wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

What i don't understand is if all the marketing is about saving earth, why are you stranded in the middle of nowhere at the end?

Shepard isn't stranded in the middle of nowhere, the Normandy Crew is (which is even more confusing since aren't they fighting the Reapers on Earth?). Somehow, the Citadel gets transported NEAR earth, which Shepard on it. From there, you make your choice. 

yea, that has me wondering as well thats one of the things that stinks with the endings. í mean the fight is at the local cluster why the hell would the normandy be elsewere?

Are the squadmates with or without shep?

Without

[GodWood]

Jackal7713 wrote...
Why mess up things for people that want a non depressing ending? Should they carter only to you? Get over yourself interests. People are only asking for one good ending. Thats not to much to ask for. But according to you, they shouldn't get any right?

Correct.

[Badpie]

GodWood wrote...

Shepard saved the galaxy and (depending on how hard he worked) saved millions more lives then what he could have if he did a half arsed job. That's not satisfying for you?


I thought the majority of this fanbase was paragon. Guess the cat is out of the bag now huh?

Saving the world is all well and good but if there's no emotional attachment for a viewer or player or reader then it's just that - numbers.  Everyone wants to defeat the Reapers, we just don't want that to be the only "reward" particularly since it's not in the least bit in keeping with Bioware's mantra of being "emotionally engaging."

I could play a point and click strategy game and it could tell me "you saved billions of lives!" and it's the same feeling of "oh good" I get if the only point to Mass Effect is to do that.

[adneate]

GodWood wrote...
Shepard saved the galaxy and (depending on how hard he worked) saved millions more lives then what he could have if he did a half arsed job. That's not satisfying for you?

Not even a little I'd gladly trade everyone on the Earth for the Normandy crew, since Earth doesn't matter to me on any emotional level.

[Jackal7713]

GodWood wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...
Why mess up things for people that want a non depressing ending? Should they carter only to you? Get over yourself interests. People are only asking for one good ending. Thats not to much to ask for. But according to you, they shouldn't get any right?

Correct.

Like I said, you need to get your mind right. Here is a helpful clue, not everything is about you or what you want. Try thinking about others before yourself.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 28 février 2012 - 09:30 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Satanicponies wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Are the squadmates with or without shep?

Without

That doesn't make any sense. Maybe if they were setting up a DLC for us to go save out squad and crew I guess that would make sense... I always wanted an ending where I could be with my LI. I've been building a relationship with my different Lis for multiple games, that doesn't make sense. 

[xtorma]

GodWood wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...
Why mess up things for people that want a non depressing ending? Should they carter only to you? Get over yourself interests. People are only asking for one good ending. Thats not to much to ask for. But according to you, they shouldn't get any right?

Correct.

Incorrect. It may be correct that they don't , but that does not make the game better. The game would be better if there were choices at points along the entire spectrum. You are getting what you want, i am happy about that. I just think they could have done things in a way that would appeal to a much broader base.

[scotkrow]

I think Mass Effect is ending the way Harry Potter should have (if this is true). Everyone you know and love by following the story dies and everyone who didn't believe you or turned on you is left to clean up the mess and try to go back to the way things where.

PS. Godwood is making some good points here and there, but over all has a very flawed logic and irrational point of view.  Is likely trolling for ****s and giggles.

Modifié par scotkrow, 28 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[Badpie]

I'm holding out hope that this information is at least in some way inaccurate. I keep having to remind myself that the only actual word on this is reportedly some QA tester that was fired...

[xtorma]

xtorma wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...
Why mess up things for people that want a non depressing ending? Should they carter only to you? Get over yourself interests. People are only asking for one good ending. Thats not to much to ask for. But according to you, they shouldn't get any right?

Correct.

Incorrect. It may be correct that they don't , but that does not make the game better. The game would be better if there were choices at points along the entire spectrum. You are getting what you want, i am happy about that. I just think they could have done things in a way that would appeal to a much broader base.

Face it, its a below average shooter, that is propped up by choices that effect story. they didnt make the shooter part any better, why also take away from the choices?

[Yuqi]

sequal bait..that is all

[Ianamus]

If these endings are true it might actually be worse than Neverwinter Nights 2 ending was, and I really, really hated Neverwinter Nights 2's ending. 

I will remain skeptical until I actually see any proof though, since the game isnt even out yet and even people who got it early have only had it for a few days. Not to metnion some of the other people spreading bull**** "leaked" information.

Yuqi wrote...

sequal bait..that is all

 

It's supposed to be the end of Shepards story though. Great bait for a future story, yes, but they could at least have Shepard stranded on Earth with his team, the aliens who came to help him and an ample supply of dextro-food for the Turians and Quarian's who'll otherwise starve. 

Modifié par EJ107, 28 février 2012 - 09:34 .

[Satanicponies]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Satanicponies wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Are the squadmates with or without shep?

Without

That doesn't make any sense. Maybe if they were setting up a DLC for us to go save out squad and crew I guess that would make sense... I always wanted an ending where I could be with my LI. I've been building a relationship with my different Lis for multiple games, that doesn't make sense. 

the endings are fine to me, its the kick in the teeth about the Normandy, its just a stupid idea in first place, "you see these people you like?" "yes" "TOO BAD, *kicks them across the galaxy*"

[yoshibb]

GodWood wrote...

scotkrow wrote...

bettak wrote...

"It's controversial! Just kidding it's bull****. Making your character die at the end does not make the majority of people sad or feel proud or anything like that. It just makes people angry. Because this character has been your escape from reality. A little bit of pleasure outside of the modern world that makes you forget about all the horrible **** that goes down every day. Mass Effect, the series you've put hundreds of hours into and in return you get some bittersweet, dramatic bull**** no matter what happens? Why do I need to reminded of how hopeless life can be?

Because the real world sucks. These are some of the news headlines for today:

Death toll in Ohio School Shooting rises
Massachusetts teacher facing child porn charges had secret cameras in classroom
Remains of some 9-11 victims went to landfill
Syria Death Toll Rises, as EU Slaps More Sanctions
14 year old shoots and kills mother
South Carolina lobbyist found dead inside parking garage likely committed suicide
Jurors being seated in Pa. priest child-rape case

This is the **** we are hit with every fricking day. And that's not including the stuff we deal with our own lives. Relatives who have cancer, parents who are getting divorced, bills and debt piling up, spending every day in a 9 to 5 job just trying to get by.

Is it really so awful that we want the things that we consider to be entertainment, something other than the horribly depressing tones of every day life to actually be happy? To actually be an escape from what we deal with in the real world. Is that really so much to ask?"

And that's why fiction targetted at adults should try to emulate that and not insult me by telling some bull**** tale where "twoo wuv and idealism saved the day and they all lived happy ever after".

Why? It's fiction. It's made up. Adult does not mean realistic and death. It's just a more mature story. Shepard and his/her crew are stranded on a planet with all the relays destroyed. Civilization has been thrown back a thousand of years. What is so sunshine and rainbows about that ending? That's consequence. At the same time, Shepard can sacrifice himself for the sake a preserving the galaxies relays if you want. That's choice.

Seriously, if you want all that stuff I just described then just go outside. Why does entertainment, something that's supposed to give you amusement or enjoyment, have to be as dull and haggard? What is the point of any entertainment then?

[TheGunheart]

To be honest, the idea of the Normandy being stranded is really the only part I take issue with. It just feels so arbitrary.

[Huyna]

There is war and tragedy in ME-Universe. It's called Reaper's invasion, a endless cycle of Harvest. Is it too much for commander Sheppard to ask for his/her own small happines after everything he/she survived? "Hollywood happy ending"? Yeah, right. Just over pile of corpses you will see a rainbow and unicorns. I bet their indocrinated,though.

You know, there were pretty grim war in amasing tv-series Babylon 5, when young races fought immense more powerfull First Ones races. And even back than, protagonist earned his small pesonall happines. And somehow, it did not feel like a cliche. More like just thing.

Modifié par Huyna, 28 février 2012 - 09:46 .