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[-PG-Skyre]

Im off to bed. Should really stop lurking so much...anyways, have a good day/night guys'n'gals.
See you all in a few hrs.

Also, we should try and get this thread going again...lol

[CaptainMonday]

So I was just wondering, if this free extended cut DLC actually makes the endings not terrible (I won't say "good" because I don't believe in miracles) would you guys be buying future DLCs?

And before you scream "no! never! i can never unsee the horrors of star infant" please consider that the extended cut, IF not terrible, would be BioWare making a game, hearing the feedback (sort of) and changing stuff for free to please their fans.

PS. So this is where the party is at =) 3418 pages... nice.

[Phoenix NL]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

https://twitter.com/...469632/photo/1

Lol

Haha, that's a good one!

[Phoenix NL]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Im off to bed. Should really stop lurking so much...anyways, have a good day/night guys'n'gals.
See you all in a few hrs.

Also, we should try and get this thread going again...lol

Well how was I to know that you guys would drop the ball without me here? Sheesh!

Seriously though, sleep well!

[Major Swift]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Im off to bed. Should really stop lurking so much...anyways, have a good day/night guys'n'gals.
See you all in a few hrs.

Also, we should try and get this thread going again...lol

Goblin Jumper Cables didn't work so now i gotta wait on the cooldown lol (anyone thats played WoW will get that)
sleep well! @everyone else, extended cut: optimistic about it, pessimistic, or somewhere in between

[ld1449]

I'm thinking that the resurgence pack wasn't finished. The bulk of the work was done, but they didn't test it as much as they would have otherwise. They wanted to announce and release the damn thing as soon as possible to mollify at least SOME of the fans.

So they essentially finished it, pushed it out and "hoped for the best" while they work on the ending

[Phoenix NL]

CaptainMonday wrote...

So I was just wondering, if this free extended cut DLC actually makes the endings not terrible (I won't say "good" because I don't believe in miracles) would you guys be buying future DLCs?

And before you scream "no! never! i can never unsee the horrors of star infant" please consider that the extended cut, IF not terrible, would be BioWare making a game, hearing the feedback (sort of) and changing stuff for free to please their fans.

PS. So this is where the party is at =) 3418 pages... nice.

Personally I will withhold judgement until I see the extended cut. At the moment I am concerned by the very vague indications we are getting about "clarity" and "compromise" but then again they can't give anything away at the moment. I hope that they listen to us and I am aware that unless they do something to nullify the starchild (which is unlikely) that he is going to be the focal point of the ending.

As far as other dlcs are concerned I will probably buy them because I want the full ME3 story. This is subject to change if the Extended Cut comes out and it's merely more of the same and there is no real indication that they have taken fan feedback into account.

[Commander 2815]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

https://twitter.com/...469632/photo/1

Lol

This made my day lol:D

[ld1449]

Come to think of it, the real game changer here was the "worst company of the year" award.

That was the proverbial "slap" that woke EA up and said You people have genuinely pissed us off!!! And got the attention of their investors/shareholders.

If that award, mocking and "inconsequential" as it might be, hadn't been given EA and Bioware would not be giving nearly as much ground as they have. (It may not seem like it but they really have had to pull back. I'm sure many meetings and late night phone calls have taken place within EA and Bioware)

EA has taken repeatedly "bad" hits on their games, with almost each one performing (saleswise) below their expectations in the last year and a half. ME3 was essentially the straw that broke the camel's proverbial back and now both EA and Bioware are SCRAMBLING grasping at anything they possibly can to get enough time to have a chance at a good saving throw that'll help them keep a good chunk of their customers that are now ready to abandon them in droves.

Modifié par ld1449, 16 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Phoenix NL]

Ok, unrelated to ME but a video of the Dragon Age panel at PAX. A fan asks Mike Laidlaw whether the removal of choice etc at the end of DA2 was deliberate or whether it was a question of needing to get the game out of the door. Mike Laidlaw made an interesting response saying that looking back they would have done things a bit differently, more reactivity to the choices etc. His most interesting comment was this:
"Ultimately it boils down to that wasn't ideal - sorry about that."



Around 2:20 if anyone is interested.

I wonder if we'll ever get that kind of honesty from the ME team?

[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Ok, unrelated to ME but a video of the Dragon Age panel at PAX. A fan asks Mike Laidlaw whether the removal of choice etc at the end of DA2 was deliberate or whether it was a question of needing to get the game out of the door. Mike Laidlaw made an interesting response saying that looking back they would have done things a bit differently, more reactivity to the choices etc. His most interesting comment was this:
"Ultimately it boils down to that wasn't ideal - sorry about that."



Around 2:20 if anyone is interested.

I wonder if we'll ever get that kind of honesty from the ME team?

one can only hope we do at some point

[ld1449]

Phoenix NL wrote...

*snip*

I wonder if we'll ever get that kind of honesty from the ME team?

A year to two years from now. After everything has died down and IF Bioware is still standing.

At that point a "Sorry about that" will be far too late, just like it is for DA2 (or even worse since its the CONCLUSION of the goddamn series) and most people will essentially flip them the finger unless the extended cut fixes the endings

But yea, if you're expecting an appology it'll take about a year at least

[Cybermortis]

Best Buy has cut the price of ME3, at least for now.

Of course those of us who live in the UK have been able to buy the game for almost half-price for a good two weeks....

http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/

[ed87]

EA giving away free DLC... strange times indeed. Especially after that $10 day-one DLC fiasco

[Dj14365]

ed87 wrote...

EA giving away free DLC... strange times indeed. Especially after that $10 day-one DLC fiasco

There might be a reason for that:D.

[Laterali]

CaptainMonday wrote...

So I was just wondering, if this free extended cut DLC actually makes the endings not terrible (I won't say "good" because I don't believe in miracles) would you guys be buying future DLCs?

And before you scream "no! never! i can never unsee the horrors of star infant" please consider that the extended cut, IF not terrible, would be BioWare making a game, hearing the feedback (sort of) and changing stuff for free to please their fans.

PS. So this is where the party is at =) 3418 pages... nice.

I'm waiting to see what actually comes out with this extended dlc. I'm actually in the middle, I thought the ending was bad, but mostly because it doesn't end a a conclusion as a story arc should. There is no conclusion, no closure, no "What happens after"...

I hate the god child, but if they keep it in, it's not going to give me any sleepless nights. If they do a good job of creating closure to the characters that were so important to this series, I would consider supporting them still. They will have to really do a good job though, no static images, no short paragraphs.

I'm talking cutscenes of Tali back on Rannoch building her house with Geth helping. Wrex and Bakara on Tuchanka with a bunch of little krogan headbutting each other, Garrus calibrating a 67 Dodge Charger. Something substantial that says, we were right to care about these characters.

And if they are going to keep Shepard alive in one of the endings, we need a real cinematic of it, him pulling himself out of the rubble and watching reaper corpses burning up entering the Earth's atmosphere, not some photoshopped chest bouncing around.

[Phoenix NL]

ld1449 wrote...

Come to think of it, the real game changer here was the "worst company of the year" award.

That was the proverbial "slap" that woke EA up and said You people have genuinely pissed us off!!! And got the attention of their investors/shareholders.

If that award, mocking and "inconsequential" as it might be, hadn't been given EA and Bioware would not be giving nearly as much ground as they have. (It may not seem like it but they really have had to pull back. I'm sure many meetings and late night phone calls have taken place within EA and Bioware)

EA has taken repeatedly "bad" hits on their games, with almost each one performing (saleswise) below their expectations in the last year and a half. ME3 was essentially the straw that broke the camel's proverbial back and now both EA and Bioware are SCRAMBLING grasping at anything they possibly can to get enough time to have a good saving throw with a good chunk of their customers now ready to abandon them in droves.

I would just like to say that while EA has overall control of BioWare, it's the BioWare people that are the ones responsible for the brand in a more tangible sense. The BioWare execs will have control of their budget and decision making powers on how to react. Inevitably they will involve the larger EA business but I don't think EA will be dictating things in the way some people think they are. I find it unlikely that EA will step in and overule the people running BioWare right now but someone will have told them to "fix it". Most large corporates that own subsidiary companies tend to leave the running to the exec board that they have in place either with a representative from the parent company on the board or with overview with senior execs unless there is specific cause for them to do it differently. Remember, ME is only part of the BioWare franchise and EA will be looking at the bigger picture and they can't afford that kind of internal management confusion which is what would happen if EA stepped in directly.

[cyborgchris]

Phoenix NL wrote...
Personally I will withhold judgement until I see the extended cut. At the moment I am concerned by the very vague indications we are getting about "clarity" and "compromise" but then again they can't give anything away at the moment. I hope that they listen to us and I am aware that unless they do something to nullify the starchild (which is unlikely) that he is going to be the focal point of the ending.

As far as other dlcs are concerned I will probably buy them because I want the full ME3 story. This is subject to change if the Extended Cut comes out and it's merely more of the same and there is no real indication that they have taken fan feedback into account.

i'm with you on this road

I'll judge when I have seen their efforts, if they fall short ... well, then I really have to be convinced to buy any of their future stuff, even if that means to miss out on some of ME3s story

I really hope, that they surprise us with ec dlc in a real satisfiying way
... but I already prepare myself  for the worst ... sad as this seems, it might be the best way to treat this thing sceptically right now  

[Mokiki]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

https://twitter.com/...469632/photo/1

Lol

Does this proof that Shepard is still alive? 

*edit* Nvm I call fake there are no concrete floors in the citdadel!

Modifié par Mokiki, 16 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[Commander 2815]

‏allenGK28 Reply
@CaseyDHudson go to about the 2:20 mark. This is how you say I'm sorry for a crappy ending

[Denethar]

So what's up with EA's stock today?, down 5.5% since opening. I'm not an expert, but something has to have caused it.

[ld1449]

Phoenix NL wrote...

I would just like to say that while EA has overall control of BioWare, it's the BioWare people that are the ones responsible for the brand in a more tangible sense. The BioWare execs will have control of their budget and decision making powers on how to react. Inevitably they will involve the larger EA business but I don't think EA will be dictating things in the way some people think they are. I find it unlikely that EA will step in and overule the people running BioWare right now but someone will have told them to "fix it". Most large corporates that own subsidiary companies tend to leave the running to the exec board that they have in place either with a representative from the parent company on the board or with overview with senior execs unless there is specific cause for them to do it differently. Remember, ME is only part of the BioWare franchise and EA will be looking at the bigger picture and they can't afford that kind of internal management confusion which is what would happen if EA stepped in directly.

I don't think EA micro mannages Bioware. But I do think they step in/throw their weight around more than they should.

Bioware asks for more time to make the game,

The Bioware CEO's might agree

EA looks at when their fiscal year ends. "Yeah we're gonna need those endings in by Monday" So to speak

They don't tell them do this or don't do this they just tell them certain things.

The most crucial being "Get this done by This date."

I don't think its coincidence that Mass Effect 2, Mass effect 3 and dragon age 2 all came out year, after year after year one after the other at right around the same time.

And that Bioware, a long time RPG maker has been distancing themselves more and more from the RPG branch to something more "actiony"

It worked with ME because it was a damn shooter, but with dragon age people were just freakin button mashing stupidly in DA2 whereas DA:O did require a few more complex thought procesces than simply "Send em to hack away"

So yea. EA doesn't interfere in every decision but they do tell them certain expectations that the Bioware people should meet if they want EA people to be happy with them and keep giving them money.

Which in turn limits them both time wise and innovative gameplay wise.

[Phoenix NL]

ld1449 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I would just like to say that while EA has overall control of BioWare, it's the BioWare people that are the ones responsible for the brand in a more tangible sense. The BioWare execs will have control of their budget and decision making powers on how to react. Inevitably they will involve the larger EA business but I don't think EA will be dictating things in the way some people think they are. I find it unlikely that EA will step in and overule the people running BioWare right now but someone will have told them to "fix it". Most large corporates that own subsidiary companies tend to leave the running to the exec board that they have in place either with a representative from the parent company on the board or with overview with senior execs unless there is specific cause for them to do it differently. Remember, ME is only part of the BioWare franchise and EA will be looking at the bigger picture and they can't afford that kind of internal management confusion which is what would happen if EA stepped in directly.

I don't think EA micro mannages Bioware. But I do think they step in/throw their weight around more than they should.

Bioware asks for more time to make the game,

The Bioware CEO's might agree

EA looks at when their fiscal year ends. "Yeah we're gonna need those endings in by Monday" So to speak

They don't tell them do this or don't do this they just tell them certain things.

The most crucial being "Get this done by This date."

I don't think its coincidence that Mass Effect 2, Mass effect 3 and dragon age 2 all came out year, after year after year one after the other at right around the same time.

And that Bioware, a long time RPG maker has been distancing themselves more and more from the RPG branch to something more "actiony"

It worked with ME because it was a damn shooter, but with dragon age people were just freakin button mashing stupidly in DA2 whereas DA:O did require a few more complex thought procesces than simply "Send em to hack away"

So yea. EA doesn't interfere in every decision but they do tell them certain expectations that the Bioware people should meet if they want EA people to be happy with them and keep giving them money.

Which in turn limits them both time wise and innovative gameplay wise.

Fair enough - gotta love big corporate!

[Spartas Husky]

ld1449 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I would just like to say that while EA has overall control of BioWare, it's the BioWare people that are the ones responsible for the brand in a more tangible sense. The BioWare execs will have control of their budget and decision making powers on how to react. Inevitably they will involve the larger EA business but I don't think EA will be dictating things in the way some people think they are. I find it unlikely that EA will step in and overule the people running BioWare right now but someone will have told them to "fix it". Most large corporates that own subsidiary companies tend to leave the running to the exec board that they have in place either with a representative from the parent company on the board or with overview with senior execs unless there is specific cause for them to do it differently. Remember, ME is only part of the BioWare franchise and EA will be looking at the bigger picture and they can't afford that kind of internal management confusion which is what would happen if EA stepped in directly.

I don't think EA micro mannages Bioware. But I do think they step in/throw their weight around more than they should.

Bioware asks for more time to make the game,

The Bioware CEO's might agree

EA looks at when their fiscal year ends. "Yeah we're gonna need those endings in by Monday" So to speak

They don't tell them do this or don't do this they just tell them certain things.

The most crucial being "Get this done by This date."

I don't think its coincidence that Mass Effect 2, Mass effect 3 and dragon age 2 all came out year, after year after year one after the other at right around the same time.

And that Bioware, a long time RPG maker has been distancing themselves more and more from the RPG branch to something more "actiony"

It worked with ME because it was a damn shooter, but with dragon age people were just freakin button mashing stupidly in DA2 whereas DA:O did require a few more complex thought procesces than simply "Send em to hack away"

So yea. EA doesn't interfere in every decision but they do tell them certain expectations that the Bioware people should meet if they want EA people to be happy with them and keep giving them money.

Which in turn limits them both time wise and innovative gameplay wise.

Fact is EA is known for micro managing. Their policies or slashing the small fish offering huge bonuses and resources to early and prospective studios in exchange for final say is their bread and butter.

Can't find another company who would fit the faustian bargain analogy better.

They dont have to interveene with every decision. just every major one.

I dont like to admit it but is the same as a manager. You let the small guys do their jobs but at every major stop I pull the plug first to remind them not to get too creative with their jobs. It isn't fun But I get it, and I get why it works. Difference is a normal job isn't a creative job to be honest compared to a game developer, designer.

[Zwei133]

Denethar wrote...

So what's up with EA's stock today?, down 5.5% since opening. I'm not an expert, but something has to have caused it.

EA on Google Finance

According to the news side bar, there are rumors of EA doing a big layoff.