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Garrus30 wrote...

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Xio said it isnt true. So either Xio missed something or the guide is wrong.


Do you believe everything he said and I don't mean the pics stuff about the ending, but rather if he played well or just believes he did well? :ph34r:


He said he had all the war assets and everything and did a new game plus. He also said he did every side mission with each system complete 100% in 23 hours. 

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This just sounds like they're forcing an ending on you. I understand there needs to be some linearity to the story and that we shouldn't get a happy-go-lucky ending, but they can come up with better endings than these it's not that hard.


For a story in which billions die, tens of billions have their lives shattered, worlds are on fire, multiple intelligent species are extinct or on the verge, etc...

...there can never be a "happy go lucky" ending.


And yet somehow, to some people, if Shep lives and manages to save some or most of the people most important to Shep, and goes on to help in the long and difficult task of healing and rebuilding a war-torn and brutalized galaxy... that's "unrealistic" and "happy go lucky".

Whatever. 

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cruggero22 wrote...

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Exactly.

And what we don't need is this nonsense about needing to lose things to appreciate them.


Of course not. I didn't mean to suggest it as fact. But I do believe that some things, since we're trying to sustain some type of realism, are going to be outside your control, no matter what choices you make.  


Problem being that this is a game that holds choice as it's main concept. Having everything you've done for three games not matter at all, realistic or not, is unentertaining and aggrivating.


Well, would that not be the point, since choice is a major factor? They do play a role, and do matter. However, despite that, we are not always able to have a choice, even though we would like to. This is an abstract philosophy about choice. In order to have choice play a major role, then not  having a choice, must also factor. That's both sides of the "coin."  



Again, still agrrivating and not enteraining. It doesn't matter if you can look at it in an abstract way about the philosophy of choice and free will. The fact of the matter is that everything you've done means nothing. Hundreds of hours down the drain for a pointless ending.

It doesn't matter how deep you look into it. Most will just see a waste of time.

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Really, I don't even know how Weimer Germany and Hitler relate to the topic about Mass Effect 3 having crappy endings, or how we can even reach this point. But I understand that everyone is afraid Hitler will rise from the dead and do everything they enjoy, ruining it.


It started off with an off-hand comment concerning Germans:

"germans voted for hitler lol, of course they like sad endings"

And went from there. 


I don't like sad endings and I am German. B)


Of course because America came over there like "This place sucks, hey England come over here!" So they took Normandy crossed France on their way to Germany and really spruced up the place. Thereby affecting your culture in such a way that sad endings just weren't as enjoyable anymore. :D

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guys listen to this podcast


non spoiler for me3


52 mark is the me3 stuff


http://www.quarterto.../#disqus_thread

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...


Xio said it isnt true. So either Xio missed something or the guide is wrong.


Do you believe everything he said and I don't mean the pics stuff about the ending, but rather if he played well or just believes he did well? :ph34r:


He said he had all the war assets and everything and did a new game plus. He also said he did every side mission with each system complete 100% in 23 hours. 

Yes, but did he have the Paddlefish for both playthroughs?

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

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Xio said it isnt true. So either Xio missed something or the guide is wrong.


Do you believe everything he said and I don't mean the pics stuff about the ending, but rather if he played well or just believes he did well? :ph34r:


He said he had all the war assets and everything and did a new game plus. He also said he did every side mission with each system complete 100% in 23 hours. 

yeah, but what about the two previous games?
we don't know anything about this.

also you might correct me on this one, but I don't think there is any progress bar regarding sidemissions for ME3 or anything else that tells you that you have completed every sidemission.
So how do you know that you got everything covered, especially as one of the very few first time player?

Modifié par Garrus30, 03 mars 2012 - 12:57 .


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CaptainChip wrote...

cruggero22 wrote...

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Exactly.

And what we don't need is this nonsense about needing to lose things to appreciate them.


Of course not. I didn't mean to suggest it as fact. But I do believe that some things, since we're trying to sustain some type of realism, are going to be outside your control, no matter what choices you make.  


Problem being that this is a game that holds choice as it's main concept. Having everything you've done for three games not matter at all, realistic or not, is unentertaining and aggrivating.


Well, would that not be the point, since choice is a major factor? They do play a role, and do matter. However, despite that, we are not always able to have a choice, even though we would like to. This is an abstract philosophy about choice. In order to have choice play a major role, then not  having a choice, must also factor. That's both sides of the "coin."  



Again, still agrrivating and not enteraining. It doesn't matter if you can look at it in an abstract way about the philosophy of choice and free will. The fact of the matter is that everything you've done means nothing. Hundreds of hours down the drain for a pointless ending.

It doesn't matter how deep you look into it. Most will just see a waste of time.


Too true. I don't believe that your choices will not matter at all. I think they will. And since there are so many ways those choices can differ, to think that there is only one pre-set outcome seems silly, and will not be the case. In order to uphold choice as a major theme, your choices must matter.   

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JBurnes3 wrote...

mass_zotz wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Really, I don't even know how Weimer Germany and Hitler relate to the topic about Mass Effect 3 having crappy endings, or how we can even reach this point. But I understand that everyone is afraid Hitler will rise from the dead and do everything they enjoy, ruining it.


It started off with an off-hand comment concerning Germans:

"germans voted for hitler lol, of course they like sad endings"

And went from there. 


I don't like sad endings and I am German. B)


Of course because America came over there like "This place sucks, hey England come over here!" So they took Normandy crossed France on their way to Germany and really spruced up the place. Thereby affecting your culture in such a way that sad endings just weren't as enjoyable anymore. :D


It's all because of the mainstream Hollywood bs. ;)

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To me at least there has to be a reason why the huge aquariums are placed in Sheppard's quarters. Two hu8ge ones no less. That alone says something - a clue they are to be used.

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I love it when writers subvert Chekov's Gun.

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Garrus30 wrote...

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Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." 


hmm, the thing with Paddlefish isn't really interesting but it says you can walk trough the Normandy after the game...? :?


I am very excited to finally have a glimmer of hope - BUT we need to be VERY careful about "being able to walk around the Normandy after the game."  If it turns out the only way to continue to play the game after the final battle is through being automatically teleported back to right before the final battle, this also could be the mechanism by which the player visits Liara's quarters to unlock the bonus.

Trust me I hope I have never been more wrong in my life.  But hope is a very delicate thing to build up then have come crashing down.

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Origin preloading is already started. I wonder if we might see more concrete and detail evidence to all possible endings this time around.The ~10gb files are encrypted but I suppose someone with the capable hands wll be able to decrypt the file and mine the data..

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Make of this what you will - here it is taken from another BW forum on this site.

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Let me preempt the future onslaught of accusations by making it clear that I haven't played Mass Effect 3, nor do I have any inside knowledge of the endings. I have, however, seen the Prima strategy guide. How? I work at a large electronics retailer and we received the guides yesterday.

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." Second, it states that the endings are different based on whether or not you kept the Collector's Base in ME2. It says if you don't import a character it assumes you destroyed the base. Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." Now, to me, that implies that the special ending doesn't involve Shepard dying or the Normandy crashing for no apparent reason. How else could you visit Liara unless you survived the end of the game?

I took pictures of the relevant page in the guide with my phone but I'm having difficulty uploading them to my pc. I have an LG Dare... and it sucks. I'll keep trying.

Why hasn't anyone seen this ending? Not sure. My guess is that Bioware is smarter than we think and didn't allow anyone but devs to see it. Perhaps the space edition is not the full game. I highly doubt Prima messed up their guide so badly as to list parts of the game that don't exist. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know that it might be wise to not cancel your Collector's Edition preorders.


That one's pretty easy. We already know that after you beat the game, you can "keep playing" because it sends you back in time to a save right before the final conflict. So the ending can still be all doom and gloom for Liara and the Normandy, and then *presto* you talk to her again at an earlier moment in the timeline.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

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This just sounds like they're forcing an ending on you. I understand there needs to be some linearity to the story and that we shouldn't get a happy-go-lucky ending, but they can come up with better endings than these it's not that hard.


For a story in which billions die, tens of billions have their lives shattered, worlds are on fire, multiple intelligent species are extinct or on the verge, etc...

...there can never be a "happy go lucky" ending.


And yet somehow, to some people, if Shep lives and manages to save some or most of the people most important to Shep, and goes on to help in the long and difficult task of healing and rebuilding a war-torn and brutalized galaxy... that's "unrealistic" and "happy go lucky".

Whatever. 


Well the "happy go lucky" part was an exaggeration, I'm not expecting an ending like that as it would be utterly ridiculous.


But right there at the end of your comment is the way I want ME3 to end. Shep & others live and help rebuild, billions have died including some of your friends, but some of your friends have also survived. Basically all I want is that beacon of light in the darkness.

Modifié par JBurnes3, 03 mars 2012 - 01:13 .


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Also I now think the ME2 base (saving) might be very important!

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If it is as bad as it seems, we should just pretend that the really bad parts of the ending are just fairytales that where spread to allow shepard an undisturbed retirement.

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Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

Origin preloading is already started. I wonder if we might see more concrete and detail evidence to all possible endings this time around.The ~10gb files are encrypted but I suppose someone with the capable hands wll be able to decrypt the file and mine the data..


Breaking full-blown AES encryption is pretty tough, actually. If they're smart, every pre-loaded binary is 100% encrypted by a private key that they will send to you on 3/6 to decrypt your game.

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My favorite part is how the Grandpa probably described, in detail, how Shepard had sex with a turian to the grandson.

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Tazzmission wrote...

guys listen to this podcast


non spoiler for me3


52 mark is the me3 stuff


http://www.quarterto.../#disqus_thread


hmm @ 01:23:05 he hints about the ending

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recentio wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Make of this what you will - here it is taken from another BW forum on this site.

I...AM...KROGAN

Created 21 minutes ago, Modified 18 minutes ago

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." 


That one's pretty easy. We already know that after you beat the game, you can "keep playing" because it sends you back in time to a save right before the final conflict. So the ending can still be all doom and gloom for Liara and the Normandy, and then *presto* you talk to her again at an earlier moment in the timeline.


TRUE - and maybe this is grasping at straws here - but WHAT IF to get that ending you need to play the game through twice but do the final battle three times.  That is:
1) Play game though once.
2) Play NG+ through once (so second full playthrough).
3) Upon completing NG+, it teleports you back to right before the final battle.  THEN, fight the final battle AGAIN (3rd time).  enjoy new ending.

Maybe?

EDIT: Can someone recommend this to Xio?  If that does nothing, the only hope we have is in the Day 1 patch unlock / "true" endings.

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recentio wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

Origin preloading is already started. I wonder if we might see more concrete and detail evidence to all possible endings this time around.The ~10gb files are encrypted but I suppose someone with the capable hands wll be able to decrypt the file and mine the data..


Breaking full-blown AES encryption is pretty tough, actually. If they're smart, every pre-loaded binary is 100% encrypted by a private key that they will send to you on 3/6 to decrypt your game.


Only the binary is encrypted, I think. People have been able to dig through the archives for sound files. 

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Just when I thought it couldn't get worse .... :pinched:

masseffectparagonlost.com

Someone lie to me , just lie & say that Vega isn't the replacement Sherpard for the ME Universe :sick:

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Cirreus wrote...

Just when I thought it couldn't get worse .... :pinched:

masseffectparagonlost.com

Someone lie to me , just lie & say that Vega isn't the replacement Sherpard for the ME Universe :sick:


uhh how about reading, it's about the anime from Funimation I guess

 

Mass Effect: Paragon Lost is the prequel to the highly-anticipated Mass Effect 3 and follows the early career of Alliance Marine, James Vega. Vega leads an elite Special Forces squad into battle against a mysterious alien threat known as The Collectors. Stationed at a colony in a remote star system, Vega and his soldiers must protect the civilians from a ruthless invasion determined to capture the population for unknown purposes. Learn more about the Mass Effect universe with an unprecedented glimpse into the haunted past of Mass Effect’s newest hero!


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Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

The ~10gb files are encrypted but I suppose someone with the capable hands wll be able to decrypt the file and mine the data..

Sure, someone can, but by the time its decrypted everyone else whould have already finished the game. ;)