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[Phoenix NL]

zarnk567 wrote...

Huh..... so The Hold the Wallet Group got deleted..... at-least for me anyway since it is not in my list of groups anymore.

Yes I think Chris Priestly locked a thread about Hold the Wallet earlier, not sure why though.

[Phoenix NL]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Yay, we're the vocal minority again:

http://theflickcast....rs-perspective/

They just can't accept that maybe, just maybe (that would be sarcasm for those who can't see it in my typing) we are the vocal part of the majority not the vocal minority.  /sigh

I completely agree. Where are all these people that supposed people that liked the ending? It's an honest question. I've only ever seen them on BSN, and they're outnumbered even here. I touched on this in a post I made a few hours ago, but the only people I know that played the game couldn't stand the ending. 

No one I know likes the ending either. The only people I have seen that say they like it are the underbridgers and I highly doubt I'll get an articulate list of reasons from one of them....

[Critchley2010]

Maybe we're just missing the point somewhat. I really, REALLY enjoyed the game, including the ending. Of course there were plot holes and there were certain things I wasnt happy with, such as the 'space magic' and I think simply rendering them different colours was pretty pathetic. I also felt that some footage of the War Assets was sorely missed, but I think thats what the Extended Cut will fix.

As for some of the plot holes, perhaps they're simply inferential. Take Tali's face for example, I like not knowing what it looked like, it meant i could imagine what it looked like and there wasnt some stock image. The gaps in the ending i simply filled myself, like many others appear to have done, the IT is a very good example of this.

[Goodwood]

Phoenix NL wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

Huh..... so The Hold the Wallet Group got deleted..... at-least for me anyway since it is not in my list of groups anymore.

Yes I think Chris Priestly locked a thread about Hold the Wallet earlier, not sure why though.

He locked it for the same reason you'd kick a loud customer out of your store—when they happened to be protesting high gas prices and telling people that they shouldn't buy from you inside your store.

I don't agree with his methods or attitude, but I understand why.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Nope. You cannot.

[Phoenix NL]

Critchley2010 wrote...

Maybe we're just missing the point somewhat. I really, REALLY enjoyed the game, including the ending. Of course there were plot holes and there were certain things I wasnt happy with, such as the 'space magic' and I think simply rendering them different colours was pretty pathetic. I also felt that some footage of the War Assets was sorely missed, but I think thats what the Extended Cut will fix.

As for some of the plot holes, perhaps they're simply inferential. Take Tali's face for example, I like not knowing what it looked like, it meant i could imagine what it looked like and there wasnt some stock image. The gaps in the ending i simply filled myself, like many others appear to have done, the IT is a very good example of this.

I'm glad you enjoyed the ending. I agree that I had no need to see Tali's face, simple curiosity aside I thought that was fine to leave to the imagination. I could have even lived with the Star Child and the multi-colored ending if only there wasn't this departure from the logic of the rest of the story. I could have filled in minor plot holes for myself but Joker acting competely out of character for example, for me at least, was too jarring a change for me to find the ending satisfying.

[zarnk567]

Critchley2010 wrote...

Maybe we're just missing the point somewhat. I really, REALLY enjoyed the game, including the ending. Of course there were plot holes and there were certain things I wasnt happy with, such as the 'space magic' and I think simply rendering them different colours was pretty pathetic. I also felt that some footage of the War Assets was sorely missed, but I think thats what the Extended Cut will fix.

As for some of the plot holes, perhaps they're simply inferential. Take Tali's face for example, I like not knowing what it looked like, it meant i could imagine what it looked like and there wasnt some stock image. The gaps in the ending i simply filled myself, like many others appear to have done, the IT is a very good example of this.

It's more that the ending felt very out of place for many people, includng myself. So it broke the "suspesion of dis-belief" for many people, when that happens people tend to notice other writing inconsistancies in books/games/movies. As a writer this is one of the things you should try your hardest to avoid with anything you are writing due to just what we are seeing happen here in this debacle. And when this many people have a problem/can't understand what you were trying to do with your ending as a writer, you know you did something wrong. Whether that be in your ending or somewhere else in your story.

Modifié par zarnk567, 17 avril 2012 - 06:31 .

[zarnk567]

Goodwood wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

Huh..... so The Hold the Wallet Group got deleted..... at-least for me anyway since it is not in my list of groups anymore.

Yes I think Chris Priestly locked a thread about Hold the Wallet earlier, not sure why though.

He locked it for the same reason you'd kick a loud customer out of your store—when they happened to be protesting high gas prices and telling people that they shouldn't buy from you inside your store.

I don't agree with his methods or attitude, but I understand why.

Yea, I was just wondering if I was the only one it dissapeared for.

[Laterali]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Yay, we're the vocal minority again:

http://theflickcast....rs-perspective/

They just can't accept that maybe, just maybe (that would be sarcasm for those who can't see it in my typing) we are the vocal part of the majority not the vocal minority.  /sigh

I completely agree. Where are all these people that supposed people that liked the ending? It's an honest question. I've only ever seen them on BSN, and they're outnumbered even here. I touched on this in a post I made a few hours ago, but the only people I know that played the game couldn't stand the ending. 

I gotta say, most internet bloggers don't actually know what vocal minority is. If we were the "vocal" minority, there would be a thread talking about how awesome the ending is, and it would be 5000 pages long. They think vocal minority means jsut minority. We are actually the vocal majority. Of the people interested enough to join this forum, we clearly make up the larger group, otherwise the polls about the ending would be stacked the opposite.

basically bloggers using the term vocal minority to describe us are idiots that don't understand simple definitions of a word.

[Goodwood]

I don't know about the group itself, as I didn't join it. Only the thread itself.

[DJBare]

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[Kyria Nyriese]

Phoenix NL wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
Yay, we're the vocal minority again:
http://theflickcast....rs-perspective/

They just can't accept that maybe, just maybe (that would be sarcasm for those who can't see it in my typing) we are the vocal part of the majority not the vocal minority.  /sigh

I completely agree. Where are all these people that supposed people that liked the ending? It's an honest question. I've only ever seen them on BSN, and they're outnumbered even here. I touched on this in a post I made a few hours ago, but the only people I know that played the game couldn't stand the ending. 

No one I know likes the ending either. The only people I have seen that say they like it are the underbridgers and I highly doubt I'll get an articulate list of reasons from one of them....

I will have to do some digging to see if I can find this, but from memory there used to be some stats out there which said that for every vocally dissatisfied customer, there were ten more who didn't say a word, just walked away from the product and manufacturer and told people not to buy it. 

So let me see math time, and please correct me if I get something wrong, we are over 60,000 strong, so using a low estimate, of five silently POd people for every one of us, that is over 300,000 people not happy, and they are telling at least two people each about it, that brings us up to 900,000 people who have either a) dislike the ending and are vocal about it, dislike the ending and are not vocal about it or c) have been warned off from buying the game and warned to take future Bioware products with a grain of salt.  

This number grows exponentially (sorry if spelling is off on this) and will continue to grow until a) we either get something in approximation of what we want or figure out Bioware isn't going to do squat and just say to heck with it.  We are far from the vocal minority, as I said before, we are the vocal portion of the majority of Bioware customers and Mass Effect fans who do not like what has been done with the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[DJBare]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Nope. You cannot.
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Modifié par DJBare, 17 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[chmarr]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Nope. You cannot.

i'll pick the YELLOW ENDING just like bioware who picked a 4th ending when we gave them cupcakes

[Ihatebadgames]

Hi all,anything going on besides:We're still a vocal minority.Jessica got mugged(hope the mugger drops the soap).The Witcher 2 is out for Xbox and my copy is in the mail.The ending to ME3 still messed up.

[Jere85]

and im back , did i miss anything after Jessica allmost got robbed?

[Kyria Nyriese]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hi all,anything going on besides:We're still a vocal minority.Jessica got mugged(hope the mugger drops the soap).The Witcher 2 is out for Xbox and my copy is in the mail.The ending to ME3 still messed up.

Welcome back and nope you pretty much got it all in one shot, nothing else has changed that I know of.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Jere85 wrote...

and im back , did i miss anything after Jessica allmost got robbed?

Welcome back, another article on us being the vocal minority with some discussion on that verbage.  Other than that not much at all going on around here other than chit chat.

[Mythandariel]

Jere85 wrote...

and im back , did i miss anything after Jessica allmost got robbed?

What's this?

[Ihatebadgames]

For those of you who like cupcakes here you go:321 cake
1package angel cake mix.
1 package any other flavor.
pour into a ziplock bag and mix well.
Use 3 tablespoons cake mix in a coffe cup,add 2 tablespoons water.Put in microwave for 1 minute.
Put favorite color of icing on top of cupcake and enjoy!
edit spelling

Modifié par Ihatebadgames, 17 avril 2012 - 06:58 .

[Goodwood]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

For those of you who like cupcakes here you go:321 cake
1package angel cake mix.
1 package any other flavor.
pour into a ziplock bag and mix well.
Use 3 tablespoons cake mix in a coffe cup,add 2 tablespoons water.Put in microwave for 1 minute.
Put favorite color of icing on top of cupcake and enjoy!
edit spelling

I feel like there's a Portal reference somewhere in there. I mean, aside from the fact that the colour of the portals (in single player) is quite similar to the colours of the two "main" choices of the ME3 ending...

[Ihatebadgames]

Nope just a reference to cupcakes.I like S'mores icing on mine.But that would be the brown ending.

[Goodwood]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Nope just a reference to cupcakes.I like S'mores icing on mine.But that would be the brown ending.

And lo, an unintentional scatalogical pun!

[Phoenix NL]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Nope just a reference to cupcakes.I like S'mores icing on mine.But that would be the brown ending.

Isn't that pretty much what we have now...

Edit: Goodwood got there before me!

Modifié par Phoenix NL, 17 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[Zwei133]

Just a random conspiracy theory for your enjoyment:

Before the PR fiasco around the ending, after I first completed the game, in spite of how bad the ending was, I respected BioWare.  We all know EA is awful (and they got an "award" for it, good job EA, way to beat BoA for worst company of the year), so here is what I thought happened.

I watched the ending, frustrated by the plotholes, lack of choice, and was floored by the DLC pitch at the end.  So I went online and realized that all the endings were pretty much one ending (with your choice of three colors).  In an attempt to rationalize the 98% of the game I had just experienced and my respect for BioWare with the travesty I had just witnessed, I decided it was EA trying to be greedy.  I surmised they either had already completed or were actively working on the real endings which would only be reachable via paid DLC (a grab for money).  This made me angry (because I would certainly buy it, but probably never another BioWare game after).

Once the PR tactics of EAWare began, I immediately threw out this theory; BioWare had just become garbage.  This wasn't some ploy for money, it was genuine failure (especially with the artistic integrity argument).

This brings me to the EC DLC.

What if I was half right?  What if BioWare had intended all along to release DLC (like retake omega, or other pre-ending dlc) that would unlock (packaged with the dlc) additional outcomes?  Or perhaps they planned a later release of the endings because they did not have time to finish?

Why do I say this?  I think about everything that has been said by BioWare.  Let's look at it, shall we?

• Artistic Vision:  The endings are within their artistic vision.  If their plan all along was to supplement or replace the endings with extra DLC, this would certainly be true.
• Keep ME3:  BioWare has stated if we knew what they had planned, we would keep our games and saves.  Supports the whole "real endings down the road" theory.
• Statements from Jennifer Hale/Mark Meer about not recording new endings:  Of course not, they are either done or mostly done; no new voice acting required.
• Statements about the DLC being done (and then retracted): An accidental leak that they had this planned all along?

Then why the mess?

Simple.  BioWare F---ed up!  They gambled in an attempt to create an unforgettable experience or a way to make money with DLC (or some combination therein) and they were wrong.  The fans hate the current endings; and not just passive nerdrage kind of hate, like motivate you to do something about it hate.  Like a bad gambler, they keep playing hoping for that big payoff to recoup their losses even though they lose hand after hand.  In this case this means continuing to be vague and not tell us anything in the hope we will all be like "Wow, that was awesome, good job EAWare" when their plans come to fruition.  Perhaps their strategy has shifted a bit to make it look like they are doing it for us to save face, who knows?

Why am I giving BioWare this much credit?  I've been watching alot of ME3 videos (since I can't bring myself to play anything other than MP because I know it is all pointless, and I find MP very fun) to see all the romance and paragon/renegade options.  I see some flaws here and there, but overall the game is superb.  Choices matter.  It is surprising the number of subtle changes you pick up on watching various conversations based on different decisions.

This leads me to believe (perhaps optimistically, which is strange, because I am a pessimist) that BioWare could not have screwed up the ending this bad unless it was their intention all along.

This gives me hope (a dangerous thing indeed, but Legion would be pleased) that the extended cut DLC might be a part, if not all, of this planned change to the way the story ends.

One final point to note in support of this:

When ME2 ended, you were on your ship after the collector base.  This was so you could play more DLC, or just talk to your crew or mess around.

When ME3 ended, you were on your ship just before the final cerberus base.  It wasn't an old save, it was a new save (look at the played time) that but you right before the final stretch of the game right after they advertise new DLC to expand the story of Shepard.  Now it could be that they want you to buy and play new pre-ending DLC, but I want to believe they planned on having the ending be replayed all along.

Here's to hoping!

Modifié par Zwei133, 17 avril 2012 - 07:17 .