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[Phoenix NL]

Has this been posted already?
*snip*

Modifié par Phoenix NL, 18 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Ajna]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Has this been posted already?
http://www.ibtimes.c...n-forum-ban.htm

Yeah it was posted last night hun, R R requested that they all be taken down, was a misunderstanding it seems

[g_bassi13]

Phoenix NL wrote...

evisneffo wrote...

G'night Goodwood!


Nicked this picture from a poor soul reporting a glitch -- no idea what's going on there but depending on how low your opinion of BW/EA is it's kind of amusing ...

lol that's one of the glitches the recent patch was supposed fix!

I remember reading about that being a glitch introduced by the new patch.

[Phoenix NL]

Ajna wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Has this been posted already?
*snip*

Yeah it was posted last night hun, R R requested that they all be taken down, was a misunderstanding it seems

I see I shall remove the link immediately then.

[Ajna]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Ajna wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Has this been posted already?
*snip*

Yeah it was posted last night hun, R R requested that they all be taken down, was a misunderstanding it seems

I see I shall remove the link immediately then.

It was on a different site last night however, same article, seems it's been picked up and thrown around...

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Ajna wrote...
*snip*
seems it's been picked up and thrown around...

*wishes you were referring to star brat* 

[Ajna]

xHezz90 wrote...

Ajna wrote...
*snip*
seems it's been picked up and thrown around...

*wishes you were referring to star brat* 

lol

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I pm'd you Phoenix...

[MeldarthX]

ok folks what's shaking? any news in the last day or so other that Mike's tweet about someting being pushed to QA - not EC yet either?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

MeldarthX wrote...

ok folks what's shaking? any news in the last day or so other that Mike's tweet about someting being pushed to QA - not EC yet either?

Nothing at all, well Jessica Merizan got mugged or almost mugged.... https://twitter.com/...153122997682178 

[Phoenix NL]

xHezz90 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

ok folks what's shaking? any news in the last day or so other that Mike's tweet about someting being pushed to QA - not EC yet either?

Nothing at all, well Jessica Merizan got mugged or almost mugged.... https://twitter.com/...153122997682178 

Well one good thing is that reading her tweets it sounds like she reported the guy to the company at least. She said she's waiting to hear back.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Well one good thing is that reading her tweets it sounds like she reported the guy to the company at least. She said she's waiting to hear back.

Yeah I read that too. Though it has no relevance to the ending or the game just thought I would mention it lol.

[Phoenix NL]

xHezz90 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Well one good thing is that reading her tweets it sounds like she reported the guy to the company at least. She said she's waiting to hear back.

Yeah I read that too. Though it has no relevance to the ending or the game just thought I would mention it lol.

True but she's been on our side and seems like a nice person - though it's bad that anyone has to go through that!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Phoenix NL wrote...

True but she's been on our side and seems like a nice person - though it's bad that anyone has to go through that!

Yeah I wouldn't say she's been on our side exactly, but nobody deserves to go through that. It could have been much worse though.

[g_bassi13]

ld1449 wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Okay, I have a question to pose. Why do I keep hearing arguments about the ending of the game posing an "impossible choice", or the "illusion of choice"? I mean, I get why people would cite this as a reason they like the ending, because there's a weird sort of emo, hopeless, artfulness to it (and some people are weird like that). What I don't get is why they cite this as a reason that we should all shut up with the complaining and accept the endings too. I could list a dozen reasons myself as to why I think it is so blatantly wrong, but I thought it better to see what points you guys have.

I personally prefer tragedies and in no way consider myself emo. I also love having to make tough choices in any game that makes me stop and think about things. Fable 2 being a fairly good example of such.

Revive innocents

Revive your family

Get rich.

I admit I would have exchanged the get rich choice with "Immortality" or "Power" or something that I wouldn't have been able to get outside of that choice (because lets face it by the time you got to that point in the game you were already a rich property owner anyway)

It actually made me pause and think for the first two options. I wanted for Sparrow to be happy and have the family back. But I also knew it was completely selfish to just revive the people important to me when thousands or millions had died building the spire.

I had to make a choice that really put me on the spot, so to speak, and I enjoyed it.

Mass effect 3's ending on the other hand has you make a difficult choice, not because you have to morally choose weather to be selfish or sacrificing, but because all three slices of life genuinely SUCK

Option one, control Reapers and Die (how that works I have no idea) but it boils down to you die and you'll never be able to see the people you worked so hard to save again.

Option two, Synthesis and you die. Again. For your character personally, this is just a **** choice. After all your hard work you die with very little catharsis or a feeling of "right" involved.

Option three, kill the reapers, die and kill EDI and Geth as well.

So essentially its Die die die, with a slight variation on what happens afterwards.

Furthermore the events AFTER the game are left so ambiguous that whatever feeling of satisfaction you COULD have gotten out of knowing what came out of your sacrifice simply doesnt exist. Because all your knowledge after Shepard's death just cuts off. BOOM gone. So you literally know nothing of the events after your death. Which is fine in real life but in storytelling as we've seen doesn't exactly work for an audience member who wants to KNOW. Not have it be left up to "speculation for everyone" because then it just forces you to take what bare minimum you know and draw your own conclusions. And considering that everything blew up, also leaves it pretty bleak.

Essentially what I'm getting at is that Tragedy, or Bleak endings need to have a silver lining to work. They NEED to have that faint ray of hope cutting through the darkness so that people can be satisfied that "life will go on" so to speak, if not for the protagonist then at least for the side characters.

Mass effect 3 fails in that regard completely. And the people who say that the endings are fine as is because of how "dark" it is, really don't know literature very well, don't know the ME lore very well and imo are just trying to make themselves feel smart.

Well the idea of the "impossible choice" is supposed to be that there is no real silver lining. That there is no satisfaction to be gained. That there is no way to win.

To force this on a player is such a stupid thing to do, since we're all looking to win. We've spent 100+ hours in this series trying to do so. Such I'm sure has been the point of playing video games since they were created.

The ripping away of this is exactly what those that support an "impossible choice" love. That life sucks, and you have to die. End scene. This is in essence Bioware sabbotaging their own game. And the average fan is righfully pissed about it.

Also the whole "illsuion of choice" kind of ties in with that, but is its own thing in its own right. That being that we as players were set up with the idea that we were able to have an actual effect in this epic battle with the Reapers that was coming up. But it turns out that it was indeed futile, because despite all the obstacles you overcame through the actions you took, defeating the reapers in the end was going to take a force greater than yourself. Showing your insignificance in the grand scheme of things by slapping you in the face with 3 solutions that are independant of the choices your game, that don't reflect the morales of the hero herself. Basically that the whole Mass Effect series was one insulting giant troll from Bioware. And that this is supposed to carry a poetic weight that those that are angry about the game will come to appreciate in the future.

If that's what they were going for, I suppose that's fine. I'm just sure those that have been trolled and lied to would very much like the +$180 they sunk into all this back then. Also don't wonder why it is that people aren't willing to touch what you create in the future. It's all BS.

[Mokiki]

rugburn > knife wound

[Phoenix NL]

g_bassi13 wrote...

*snip*
Basically that the whole Mass Effect series was one insulting giant troll from Bioware. And that this is supposed to carry a poetic weight that those that are angry about the game will come to appreciate in the future.

If that's what they were going for, I suppose that's fine. I'm just sure those that have been trolled and lied to would very much like the +$180 they sunk into all this back then. Also don't wonder why it is that people aren't willing to touch what you create in the future. It's all BS.

You know better!

Edit: noticed another use of the banned word.

Modifié par Phoenix NL, 18 avril 2012 - 10:23 .

[firstarioch]

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

[Phoenix NL]

firstarioch wrote...

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

Morning! If it makes you feel better Bath is the same, who would have thought it was almost May?
No real news to speak of, just having a bit of a discussion about what people see in an ending with no silver lining.

[Vahilor]

Phoenix NL wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

Morning! If it makes you feel better Bath is the same, who would have thought it was almost May?
No real news to speak of, just having a bit of a discussion about what people see in an ending with no silver lining.

Mannheim is not better, wet, cold, clouded ^^

[firstarioch]

Phoenix NL wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

Morning! If it makes you feel better Bath is the same, who would have thought it was almost May?
No real news to speak of, just having a bit of a discussion about what people see in an ending with no silver lining.

Well... Yeah... you mean people who actually like the ending ?
That Also puzzles me...
Few of them attacked me when i tried to engage them on the IGn forum few weeks back...
They chucked insults me at me : entitled, mob..Etc its not mine game ... Who gave me right to question...blah ..blah...
I found it perplexing that people got an emotional satifaction from that ending...
i understand most of them havent got the intelligence to comprehend emotional stuff ...but some do...

All in all ...I find that we as we are are people who actually read books at school and read in real life...etc
Aslo we are quite intelligent here...lol I dont want to write peans about us but you know what i mean...
We donr come from basic school education ....
I think maybe that is a problem... 
Lack of Empathyin some people ....towards the game or the chartacter ...it maybe mechaniucal play for them...finished game ...thank you ...next game...
And how dare we question devs ?
Hope I making sense here....lol

[Ajna]

Phoenix NL wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

Morning! If it makes you feel better Bath is the same, who would have thought it was almost May?
No real news to speak of, just having a bit of a discussion about what people see in an ending with no silver lining.

South coast is also cold and miserable, woke up to wind and rain!  Even the dog turned round and came home halfway up the road this morning!

[Bionic Weapon]

firstarioch wrote...

Morning team !!1
how is the life on the frontlines this morning ?

At Work ...London is cold and miserable today ....lol ..like 90 percent of the time...

Good morning to you. Just another sleepless night in southern cali it seems. Watching the movie Narc, and eating a PB and fluff sandwich.. I am in love I tell you.

[DJBare]

Wet and cold here in the midlands, but I like it, it has a refreshing feel.

[DJBare]

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Modifié par DJBare, 18 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

DJBare wrote...
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Hold the line and your wallet!

The wallet link needs to be changed to 
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