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Goodwood wrote...

Hence my original statement.

Thirty-five hundred pages and not a single case of moderator intervention, to me, speaks much, much louder than any vast horde or unruly mob, no matter the size, no matter the message, possibly could insofar as this specific forum goes. We continue to offer support and succor to those who have felt themselves wronged by the ending of ME3. We continue to make our presence felt, to let the devs and publishers know that we're not going away.

We continue to hold the line.

One of the basics of military strategy is, when you've established a defensive line and are under attack, you wait for that attack to peter out and your antagonists to retreat to their own lines before you begin the counteroffensive if it is warranted. Consciously or not, a lot of us feel as though we've been assaulted by the ending, and the HTL and Retake movements have become our bunkers, our safe refuges while we wait for the "enemy" (metaphorically-speaking) to make their next move. If they give us what they want, vindicating our defensive stand, then we greet them with open arms and the war is over for everybody—no muss, no fuss, no casualties.

If we are left wanting, however, and that want is sufficiently justified, then we can discuss further moves.


Well a moderator did step in a few hundred pages back, but that was because some flamers came in and started trying to cause trouble.  But yeah, even Jessica's said she thinks the community's been quite civil on here.  We hold the line in our own way, if HTL Batallion wants to run off and start lobbing dead husks over the walls of Bioware's HQ I don't think it's helpful to any of the batallions, but at the same time they're entitled to their opinion and choice.

I completely agree, if we're just trying to destroy Bioware now what's the point.. I don't WANT them destroyed.. I want EA to stop pressuring them into deadlines that aren't going to result in a quality product... another quarter wouldn't have killed them one bit, if they had of taken as long as they did to do ME2 they'd be prime 2012 christmas season and made a freaken fortune... bad business decision on EA's part... and we've definitely lit the torches around their walls and they know the peasants are displeased with the royal court.

 Honestly I see it as better for Bioware.. give them more autonomy and they will release even better games, that will not lose their longevity, and will get people buying DLC, and avatar items, and whatever else they give out.. I was unapologetically "BIOWARE TAKE MY MONEY" before this game came out and the ending took my inner child and proceeded to shake him until he turned into citadel kid on me. :crying:

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Computim wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Hence my original statement.

Thirty-five hundred pages and not a single case of moderator intervention, to me, speaks much, much louder than any vast horde or unruly mob, no matter the size, no matter the message, possibly could insofar as this specific forum goes. We continue to offer support and succor to those who have felt themselves wronged by the ending of ME3. We continue to make our presence felt, to let the devs and publishers know that we're not going away.

We continue to hold the line.

One of the basics of military strategy is, when you've established a defensive line and are under attack, you wait for that attack to peter out and your antagonists to retreat to their own lines before you begin the counteroffensive if it is warranted. Consciously or not, a lot of us feel as though we've been assaulted by the ending, and the HTL and Retake movements have become our bunkers, our safe refuges while we wait for the "enemy" (metaphorically-speaking) to make their next move. If they give us what they want, vindicating our defensive stand, then we greet them with open arms and the war is over for everybody—no muss, no fuss, no casualties.

If we are left wanting, however, and that want is sufficiently justified, then we can discuss further moves.


Well a moderator did step in a few hundred pages back, but that was because some flamers came in and started trying to cause trouble.  But yeah, even Jessica's said she thinks the community's been quite civil on here.  We hold the line in our own way, if HTL Batallion wants to run off and start lobbing dead husks over the walls of Bioware's HQ I don't think it's helpful to any of the batallions, but at the same time they're entitled to their opinion and choice.

I completely agree, if we're just trying to destroy Bioware now what's the point.. I don't WANT them destroyed.. I want EA to stop pressuring them into deadlines that aren't going to result in a quality product... another quarter wouldn't have killed them one bit, if they had of taken as long as they did to do ME2 they'd be prime 2012 christmas season and made a freaken fortune... bad business decision on EA's part... and we've definitely lit the torches around their walls and they know the peasants are displeased with the royal court.

 Honestly I see it as better for Bioware.. give them more autonomy and they will release even better games, that will not lose their longevity, and will get people buying DLC, and avatar items, and whatever else they give out.. I was unapologetically "BIOWARE TAKE MY MONEY" before this game came out and the ending took my inner child and proceeded to shake him until he turned into citadel kid on me. :crying:


Thank you so much Tim you said what I wanted to say so much better than I did.  Thank you

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Computim wrote...
I was unapologetically "BIOWARE TAKE MY MONEY" before this game came out and the ending took my inner child and proceeded to shake him until he turned into citadel kid on me. :crying:


Sadly, I think we all know that feeling now.

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I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.

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Got some news for you. The EC was leaked. I'm so freakin' excited! Victus returns to the Normandy and brings friends!

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Speculations, speculations, everywhere! In this new cut, you can choose to bypass them however. You might not like what you see. :P http://efleck.devian...190695#/d4wxjsh

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xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


WOOT HUG ATTACK :)

Hey if I can play Diablo III beta and chat I'm sure you can play The Witcher 2 and chat :police:

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xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


All right about witcher.

I am going to probably sound like a huge idiot but here goes....

What is the witcher?

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G Kevin wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


All right about witcher.

I am going to probably sound like a huge idiot but here goes....

What is the witcher?


A really good (in my opinion) RPG series put out by CD Projekt Red.  I've played The Witcher completely, still working on The Witcher 2

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OK! well, my post got buried thanks to that guy posting his link to his angry blog.... anyway, i'm reposting what i said.

Ok, just watched Mordin's scene in ME3 again on youtube... Re-inspired me to hold the line. Also, this music was a big help.



Stay strong people. For Mordin, Shepard, Garrus, Tali, Liara, Jacob, Alanko, Ashley, Thane, Legion, Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Wrex, Grunt, and all the people who love this game, this universe, and this community.

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xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


See, I have watched those scenes so many times by now that I know the lines...by heart. 
I occasionally re watch them and sob in my room alone because I remember how Bioware ruined the hopes of every single character in the game...and ours too... :crying:

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G Kevin wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


All right about witcher.

I am going to probably sound like a huge idiot but here goes....

What is the witcher?


It's a game that just got an extended version released on 360/PC yesterday lol.  It's basically a lot like Dragon Age: Origins.. but a lot more adult.. like full nudity.. (almost as much as Game of Thrones which is a good comparison actually...cept 3D characters).

It's also got some great humour, lot of stuff to do (Like... Skyrim level of random sidecrap to do lol).

At the moment I'm running around with no weapons... or trousers, save boxers....again.. this time because I got drunk and now have to replay "The Hangover" but in medieval fantasy times... Man I really hope I didn't go to bed with a dwarven woman :sick:

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...


WOOT HUG ATTACK :)

Hey if I can play Diablo III beta and chat I'm sure you can play The Witcher 2 and chat :police:


*hugs back* hehe.

Yeah I normally do two things at once in all honesty I just was trying to give the witcher 2 my full attention :P

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


All right about witcher.

I am going to probably sound like a huge idiot but here goes....

What is the witcher?


A really good (in my opinion) RPG series put out by CD Projekt Red.  I've played The Witcher completely, still working on The Witcher 2


I guess I will take a look at it.

Computim wrote...

It's a game that just got an extended version released on 360/PC yesterday lol.  It's basically a lot like Dragon Age: Origins.. but a lot more adult.. like full nudity.. (almost as much as Game of Thrones which is a good comparison actually...cept 3D characters).

It's also got some great humour, lot of stuff to do (Like... Skyrim level of random sidecrap to do lol).

At the moment I'm running around with no weapons... or trousers, save boxers....again.. this time because I got drunk and now have to replay "The Hangover" but in medieval fantasy times... Man I really hope I didn't go to bed with a dwarven woman [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

 

If I were to buy it, Xbox or PC? (Sounds like a stupid question but I am not sure if my computer is up to snuff). I can run Skyrim on Ultra with about 25 fps so not bad but I was told that the witcher was demanding.

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I'm not saying we go away and just say it's done.  I am saying that this is not the time for an offensive, this is the time for planning and patience - preparing our strategy - while we wait and see what comes.  I'm not that optomistic about what I've read about the EC DLC, but I honestly do not think that now is the time for us to go ballistic with this.  Like someone else said here, most likely all that will get is this thread closed, then where will we be?


The problem is we cannot simply *wait* for the extended cut DLC to come out. Because when it does, I can guarantee you for better or worse the "line" will be gone. If its a huge dissapointment people are still going to be angry, but this time no media articles are going to cover it. And the Bioware defenders are simply going to rally and say "look, they're still not satisfied even after we gave them what they wanted" since they've been so accurate in their fact finding in the past I'm sure they think the EC DLC is falling onto all of the categories of what we want.

So in short, the time to keep the pressure up is *now* while things are still malleable and can still be changed. Not 3 or 4 months down the road when the EC DLC comes out and most people have moved on or watch the DLC and tell themselves "I'm done" either because they were satisfied or they don't want to spend another six months beating their head against a wall in vain.

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*tackle-glomps Kyria*

Hey, it's what we do. ;-)

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Computim wrote...

I was unapologetically "BIOWARE TAKE MY MONEY" before this game came out and the ending took my inner child and proceeded to shake him until he turned into citadel kid on me. :crying:


I would have shot my inner child myself before I let that happen! ;p

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TamiBx wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I just re-watched the Kaidan romance scene, now I'm all depressed again :(

I will not leave here until Shenko are back together! *determined face*

Kaidan: "I love you too. Until the end of time" *cries*

Anyway I am coming out of lurker mode I am sure I can play The Witcher 2 and chat with you all.


See, I have watched those scenes so many times by now that I know the lines...by heart. 
I occasionally re watch them and sob in my room alone because I remember how Bioware ruined the hopes of every single character in the game...and ours too... :crying:


I so understand that.  My ex husband had to call me today and threaten to come over and drag me out of the house to get me to leave the apartment just to go for a walk.  Then he told me to play ME 3 up to the scene with Anderson and then put in the medal ceremony from Star Wars IV.

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Goodwood wrote...

*tackle-glomps Kyria*

Hey, it's what we do. ;-)


WOOT My first tackle-glomp

/hugs :)

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I so understand that.  My ex husband had to call me today and threaten to come over and drag me out of the house to get me to leave the apartment just to go for a walk.  Then he told me to play ME 3 up to the scene with Anderson and then put in the medal ceremony from Star Wars IV.


Pefect idea, but it isn't Shepard, so...:(

Seriously, I think Bioware managed to create the worst ending for a great story. They gave us no surviving ending (5sec scene does no count), let Normandy crash in some random planet...they destroyed eveything that made ME a great series...:crying:

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I so understand that.  My ex husband had to call me today and threaten to come over and drag me out of the house to get me to leave the apartment just to go for a walk.  Then he told me to play ME 3 up to the scene with Anderson and then put in the medal ceremony from Star Wars IV.


Yeah see this is what happened, I mean if it was BW's plan to depress everyone beyond measure then they did a bang up job of it. <_<

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ld1449 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I'm not saying we go away and just say it's done.  I am saying that this is not the time for an offensive, this is the time for planning and patience - preparing our strategy - while we wait and see what comes.  I'm not that optomistic about what I've read about the EC DLC, but I honestly do not think that now is the time for us to go ballistic with this.  Like someone else said here, most likely all that will get is this thread closed, then where will we be?


The problem is we cannot simply *wait* for the extended cut DLC to come out. Because when it does, I can guarantee you for better or worse the "line" will be gone. If its a huge dissapointment people are still going to be angry, but this time no media articles are going to cover it. And the Bioware defenders are simply going to rally and say "look, they're still not satisfied even after we gave them what they wanted" since they've been so accurate in their fact finding in the past I'm sure they think the EC DLC is falling onto all of the categories of what we want.

So in short, the time to keep the pressure up is *now* while things are still malleable and can still be changed. Not 3 or 4 months down the road when the EC DLC comes out and most people have moved on or watch the DLC and tell themselves "I'm done" either because they were satisfied or they don't want to spend another six months beating their head against a wall in vain.


In this case, keeping the pressure up does not mean going on the attack. I don't know how well you know your military history, but think of it like the Battle of Bloody Ridge on Guadalcanal. The Japanese kept charging and charging the Marines' lines, running pell-mell at the entrenched defenders in wave upon wave of humanity, only to be cut down in their hundreds. What the Marines did there was above and beyond; they held the line, they kept up the pressure, they didn't give ground unless they absolutely had to, and they carried the day. Henderson Field was saved, and we retained our toe-hold on the island.

Because the Marines held the line, we ended up winning at Guadalcanal. And from there, the tide of the Pacific War was turned.

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I am with the others here who are saying, this is not the time nor is it the place for this. We are getting a response, they are making the EC DLC, come summer we will find out if they did what was right or not. Then we can take things up a notch if needed, however, right now, we need to be patient and wait.


If we wait until they release the EC, then there is nothing that can be done after that.

We need to move now, while they are still making it.  This gives us the chance to make them put more effort into it, resulting in better endings for everyone.

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If I were to buy it, Xbox or PC? (Sounds like a stupid question but I am not sure if my computer is up to snuff). I can run Skyrim on Ultra with about 25 fps so not bad but I was told that the witcher was demanding.


Can't really help you there unfortunately, I got it on 360 so I could play it on my 47" TV and hold the line at the same time lol.

If you can run Skyrim on Ultra you'd probably be okay, I suspect the anti-aliasing and T&L would be the biggest drain, 360 looks like it's only running like 2X FSAA or something based off some of the edge jaggies, but it's still fine graphics wise... the story and stuff is enough to make any imperfections unnoticable, at least for me, right now anyway.  PC version you can probably get cheaper just because they've giving al the extended stuff for free even if you have the original version on there.  360 it's just releasing on so it's got it all on disc.

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Pefect idea, but it isn't Shepard, so...:(

Seriously, I think Bioware managed to create the worst ending for a great story. They gave us no surviving ending (5sec scene does no count), let Normandy crash in some random planet...they destroyed eveything that made ME a great series...:crying:


Agreed, one of the things I wrote about on my blog was questioning how Bioware had become so disconnected from their audience in the last 15 minutes of the game.  I still don't get it.:?:crying:

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Goodwood wrote...

In this case, keeping the pressure up does not mean going on the attack. I don't know how well you know your military history, but think of it like the Battle of Bloody Ridge on Guadalcanal. The Japanese kept charging and charging the Marines' lines, running pell-mell at the entrenched defenders in wave upon wave of humanity, only to be cut down in their hundreds. What the Marines did there was above and beyond; they held the line, they kept up the pressure, they didn't give ground unless they absolutely had to, and they carried the day. Henderson Field was saved, and we retained our toe-hold on the island.

Because the Marines held the line, we ended up winning at Guadalcanal. And from there, the tide of the Pacific War was turned.


That was ony of my favorite battles (partially due to the fact that the airfield has my name:)).

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Can't really help you there unfortunately, I got it on 360 so I could play it on my 47" TV and hold the line at the same time lol.

If you can run Skyrim on Ultra you'd probably be okay, I suspect the anti-aliasing and T&L would be the biggest drain, 360 looks like it's only running like 2X FSAA or something based off some of the edge jaggies, but it's still fine graphics wise... the story and stuff is enough to make any imperfections unnoticable, at least for me, right now anyway.  PC version you can probably get cheaper just because they've giving al the extended stuff for free even if you have the original version on there.  360 it's just releasing on so it's got it all on disc.

 

I asked my friends about it as well and they suggest the 360 just because there is no significant difference.

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