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[Nharia1]

OMFG The Witcher 2 just had an LotR reference!

[ld1449]

If the rumors are true and Casey and Mac were the ones to write up the ending. How do you think the other writers looked at them when they got called back into the office???

I'm thinkin it was something like

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[Major Swift]

Lmao at the LoTR reference during chapter 2 in the witcher 2, such a good game! Anyway I'm here for a few minutes before I get back to playing, how's everyone doing?

[Darth Garrus]

Thanks, Mastermadskills. Make no mistake. We will take a look, and most will be there. Hold the line!

Now, let's move on. We don't want either front closed.

[Major Swift]

Nharia1 wrote...

OMFG The Witcher 2 just had an LotR reference!

Lol you too? there was also a star wars one earlier that had me laughing

[Kyria Nyriese]

Major Swift wrote...

Lmao at the LoTR reference during chapter 2 in the witcher 2, such a good game! Anyway I'm here for a few minutes before I get back to playing, how's everyone doing?

HUG ATTACK

and one at Nharia too  :D:D

[Laterali]

I just got done playing ME3 again. I went through with my ME2 tali romance save, which is so much better than the other romances. Tali's my girl.

But I quit once I got on Earth. I refuse to see that ending again. I don't usually get emotional when watching movies or playing games, When Mordin stepped onto the elevator I was blubbering like a little girl.

To see the complete 180 from that great storyline to the BS WTF ending we got, it just blows my mind both things are in the same game.

It's like going to your favorite restaurant, ordering the juiciest, most tender filet mignon, than for desert you get kicked in the face with a caterpillar boot.

I still need to see how the femshep romances play out. For some reason I have a hard time playing as a femshep, I think it's because I put so much of myself into my Shepard, it's hard to play as a woman.

[Kyria Nyriese]

The Witcher 2 EE portion is downloading on my primary PC as I type. I'll mess with it tomorrow sometime

[Goodwood]

ld1449 wrote...

Yes but that was because the Japanese couldn't afford to have a protracted land based fight with the US once they had a foothold on the island. Overall the Japanese had a fleet that was slightly smaller than the US less resources to maintain their army and less people to draw on to sustain a full conflict pound for pound against the US. Especially when they were loosing so much air influence in china.

Essentially they threw themselves at the Americans trying to get them off the island because if they didn't they would be facing endless waves of reinforcements until they would be overwhelmed, whereas the Americans had the advantage of setting up defensive lines and just waiting for the bulk of their forces to get there to overrun ****** positions.

We have the oposite problem.

We're holding the line, while more and more of our people get called away by real life and disinterest, while the oposition maintains its strength or gains strength in the worst case scenario. If the time ever comes for us to charge its gonna be like pushing a mountain at the best case scenario

I do hate to say it, but unfortunately your understanding of that period of the war is incorrect.

As an armed force, the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy had maintained the same sort of tactics and strategies used at Guadalcanal for quite some time. Their methodology of warfare dates, for the most part, all the way back to the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, having updated itself only to take into account the airplane, the aircraft carrier, and other advances in naval technology. The preveiling ethos of the Army was that of "spirit warriors," a mindset which asserted that any force, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, could overcome any enemy through sheer force of will. It was that mode of thinking that spurred the attack on Pearl Harbor, that fueled the success of the initial Japanese blitzkreig in Southeast Asia and the East Indies.

Bloody Ridge, and the preceeding battles at the start of the Guadalcanal campaign, were the first signs that this strategy of human wave attacks was not the best way to go. And yet, the Japanese high command did not deviate from this method precisely because they had become overconfident, stagnant, to the point that any attempt to innovate and to come up with new ways of fighting was considered to be brazen heresy. The Japanese officer corps, and specifically their admirals and generals, were brought up to obey their superiors without question; if it wasn't for the sake of certain special exceptions such as Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, then the Pacific War would have ended almost before it had truly started.

As for Guadalcanal itself, the Japanese had only just started to construct an airstrip on that island and had no reason to expect a move by the U.S. on the island, hence why it was only manned by a token force of soldiers and laborers who ran off into the jungle at the first sign of trouble. The Japanese Navy, while smaller in tonnage, was quite formidable and proved on numerous occasions that they could wipe the floor with the U.S. Navy in a night battle. This is why Ironbottom Sound got its name; so many warships were sunk throughout the campaign that they damn well nearly coat the bottom of the ocean in metal. The American forces also committed a number of strategic errors that lent to the hardship of the first few months of battles, leaving the Marines to use their tactics as best they could.

As for your assertion that the Japanese were losing air influence in China, that is also largely untrue. In August of 1942 when the Guadalcanal invasion began, American air power was only just then asserting itself in the theatre. The Japanese had kicked the Allies out of Burma, and so any offensive action was forced to stage from bases in India or what parts of China had not yet been overrun. The AVG had been disbanded and reabsorbed into the Army Air Force the previous July, forming the 23rd Fighter Group which would eventually form the nucleus of the 10th and 14th Air Forces. Meanwhile the Japanese Army fighters and bombers continued to ply their trade, albeit at increased risk. It wasn't until much later, by the time the Solomon Islands campaign had ended, that the Japanese occupiers in the CBI (China, Burma and India) theatre began to be pushed back. And even then, they continued to hold their ground well into 1944.

To wrap this up: it was actually near the end of the war that the Japanese made the right decisions in changing their tactical and strategic planning, and even then it was only done by a few individuals. The many Marines who died on Pelilieu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa can attest to how effective that change was made: in essence, the Japanese had given up trying to fight the Americans toe-to-toe, and began to bunker up among strong defensive works that could withstand everything from 2,000lb aerial bombs to sixteen inch battleship shells.

Modifié par Goodwood, 19 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[Mastermadskills]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Thanks, Mastermadskills. Make no mistake. We will take a look, and most will be there. Hold the line!

Now, let's move on. We don't want either front closed.

Click for response.

[MacabreMilkman]

 Best case scenario? Everyone starves to death and you never see your friends again.

[Nharia1]

Major Swift wrote...

Lmao at the LoTR reference during chapter 2 in the witcher 2, such a good game! Anyway I'm here for a few minutes before I get back to playing, how's everyone doing?

Ditto to that~! :lol:

[VivaLaWhatsername]

OK everyone I am just gonna sign off to play The Witcher 2, it's intriguing.

Also I need to make dinner lol.

talk with you all later.

[Computim]

Welll I'm off to bed... Shame I have work in the morning or I'd probably not put witcher 2 down.. this game is addictive.... Though trying to turn the women at the brothel into a makeshift raft was a tad disturbing.... >.>

Hold the line all!

[Nharia1]

Major Swift wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

OMFG The Witcher 2 just had an LotR reference!

Lol you too? there was also a star wars one earlier that had me laughing

Wait they had a Star Wars one? O,o Damnation I missed that one...

[Kyria Nyriese]

@Hezz Have a good dinner and enjoy The Witcher 2 

@Computim night night

Edited: reading comprehension for the win

Modifié par Kyria Nyriese, 19 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Computim]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

@Hezz and Tim night night

Nite! *waves and pops off to bed*

[Kyria Nyriese]

Alrighty fellow line holders, I am going to try and call it a night at a reasonable hour again. Hopefully I won't be back annoying everyone with my insomnia and sleep deprivation.

Keep it fun, keep it civil and keep it real

Most importantly HOLD THE LINE!

[Goodwood]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Alrighty fellow line holders, I am going to try and call it a night at a reasonable hour again. Hopefully I won't be back annoying everyone with my insomnia and sleep deprivation.

Keep it fun, keep it civil and keep it real

Most importantly HOLD THE LINE!

Have a good night, Kyria! *bear hugs*

Remember, if you're still having trouble sleeping, try a glass of warm milk with a small bit of honey in it.

[ld1449]

Goodwood wrote...

I do hate to say it, but unfortunately your understanding of that period of the war is incorrect.

As an armed force, the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy had maintained the same sort of tactics and strategies used at Guadalcanal for quite some time. Their methodology of warfare dates, for the most part, all the way back to the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, having updated itself only to take into account the airplane, the aircraft carrier, and other advances in naval technology. The preveiling ethos of the Army was that of "spirit warriors," a mindset which asserted that any force, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, could overcome any enemy through sheer force of will. It was that mode of thinking that spurred the attack on Pearl Harbor, that fueled the success of the initial Japanese blitzkreig in Southeast Asia and the East Indies.

Bloody Ridge, and the preceeding battles at the start of the Guadalcanal campaign, were the first signs that this strategy of human wave attacks was not the best way to go. And yet, the Japanese high command did not deviate from this method precisely because they had become overconfident, stagnant, to the point that any attempt to innovate and to come up with new ways of fighting was considered to be brazen heresy. The Japanese officer corps, and specifically their admirals and generals, were brought up to obey their superiors without question; if it wasn't for the sake of certain special exceptions such as Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, then the Pacific War would have ended almost before it had truly started.

As for Guadalcanal itself, the Japanese had only just started to construct an airstrip on that island and had no reason to expect a move by the U.S. on the island, hence why it was only manned by a token force of soldiers and laborers who ran off into the jungle at the first sign of trouble. The Japanese Navy, while smaller in tonnage, was quite formidable and proved on numerous occasions that they could wipe the floor with the U.S. Navy in a night battle. This is why Ironbottom Sound got its name; so many warships were sunk throughout the campaign that they damn well nearly coat the bottom of the ocean in metal. The American forces also committed a number of strategic errors that lent to the hardship of the first few months of battles, leaving the Marines to use their tactics as best they could.

As for your assertion that the Japanese were losing air influence in China, that is also largely untrue. In August of 1942 when the Guadalcanal invasion began, American air power was only just then asserting itself in the theatre. The Japanese had kicked the Allies out of Burma, and so any offensive action was forced to stage from bases in India or what parts of China had not yet been overrun. The AVG had been disbanded and reabsorbed into the Army Air Force the previous July, forming the 23rd Fighter Group which would eventually form the nucleus of the 10th and 14th Air Forces. Meanwhile the Japanese Army fighters and bombers continued to ply their trade, albeit at increased risk. It wasn't until much later, by the time the Solomon Islands campaign had ended, that the Japanese occupiers in the CBI (China, Burma and India) theatre began to be pushed back. And even then, they continued to hold their ground well into 1944.

To wrap this up: it was actually near the end of the war that the Japanese made the right decisions in changing their tactical and strategic planning, and even then it was only done by a few individuals. The many Marines who died on Pelilieu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa can attest to how effective that change was made: in essence, the Japanese had given up trying to fight the Americans toe-to-toe, and began to bunker up among strong defensive works that could withstand everything from 2,000lb aerial bombs to sixteen inch battleship shells.

I'll have to read up on my history regarding the air influence over China. But regardless you're right that many people did hold the belief of simply overcoming through force of will and they did not change their tactics. But various pieces of evidence support the theory that the Emperor and other higher up officials pushed this methodology of thinking for a number of reasons.

Firstly because, as you said it served them very well in the opening stages of the conflict and so they'd hoped they could at least continue to get results that would allow them to take down the americans.

But also because, like I said, Japanese did not have enough resources to sustain their individual theaters of war throughout the pacific. With their navy forces otherwise engaged it was difficult at the best of times to maintain steady suply lines. And not all of those suplies made it completely down the chain to the grunt soldier, something that wreaks havoc on morale. So by giving the common soldier this idea that he was, forgive the oversimplification, invincible while fighting for the Honor of his homeland and the glory of his emperor served well to keep them in line.

And as stated before, the ****** higher ups (like way way up the ladder) knew that holding off an american land invasion would be much worse than taking them down at sea. They were confident in their naval power even if they had a slightly smaller navy.

Come to think of it. That could have been a contributing factor to their land based tactics. Looking at the infantry like little more than a staple defense while they brought out the "big guns" which were their ships.

That last part is of course just me speculating, but at any rate alot of the stuff I've read points to the japanese preffering to monkey wrench americans into a theater of war that bogged down land based fighting and streamlined naval combat. They did not want to engage a potracted land based fight. At least that's coming from the sources I've read on the subject

[evisneffo]

Good-night Kyria and Tim!

I read the HTL call. It gave me a headache. If the time is ripe for a surge of vocal protest then so be it, but I hope this doesn't devolve into the equivalent of an angry horde rampaging through the streets and screaming. Sorry for the tone but my faith and patience are wearing thin, and that is unfortunately coming from both sides.

Blue Liara wrote...

I'm a little afraid to post on a forum again since I was recently banned for no reason by the mods. But does anyone know of any news regarding the ending DLC. Bioware feeling the pressure? Going to make an announcement? Going to CHANGE the ending instead of clarify it.

Again banned for NO just reason or without prior warning so not sure how to label EA or bioware as the evil overlords or the nicest sweetest best company in the world.

I feel anything else and they might have a hissy fit.

Sorry that you got banned mate. There hasn't really been any significant news ... I get the feeling they're set on doing what they've said they're going to do, for the timebeing at least.

[Major Swift]

Nharia1 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

OMFG The Witcher 2 just had an LotR reference!

Lol you too? there was also a star wars one earlier that had me laughing

Wait they had a Star Wars one? O,o Damnation I missed that one...

Yeah lol, it wasn't as big as the LoTR one though, was a dialogue choice/persuasion choice that was worded like the "these aren't the droids your looking for" except insert elves for droids haha, love when he does that thing with his hand then his eyes glow and then whatever person it is your talking to agrees (haven't had it fail yet)
Edit: you reminded me of gettysburg with that "damnation" part haha

Modifié par Major Swift, 19 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[Goodwood]

I'm sorry, but that is still incorrect. This spirit of destiny, so to speak, permeated the entire Japanese high command. It was as integral to their military ethos as the need to "leave no man behind" is to ours in the modern era, and was no easier to abandon; their whole culture lived for the "decisive victory," the "moment of truth" that would announce for all to see that they had achieved victory beyond questioning (this was the imperative that led up to the Battle of Midway, and even resonated in the last mission of the Yamato). Hence why so few commanders saw the light, and only after it was far, far too late to stem the tide.

I recommend reading the book Flyboys to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

[DJBare]

Goodwood wrote...

To take this away from the military metaphors and the attendant hazards therein, I'd like to propose a different analogy:

The Retake movement, at least in this thread, to me holds a lot of parallels to the fight against segregation and other abuses of basic human rights and liberties. We feel persecuted by an uncaring power and rightfully so, and rather than forming a revolutionary faction bent on victory at any cost, we have instead used the means that are available to us as Internet citizens. We use forums and blogs, which are the bus stops and cafaterias of our day, to stage nonviolent forms of protest such as sit-ins, peaceful demonstrations, assembies of like-minded individuals who gather together to say their piece and argue for a better tomorrow.

We are the line. We are not the enemy. We are not afraid.

And we will win.

Thank you!

No offense to some, this is what I get for going to sleep, returning to a thread that is showing signs aggression, if we start behaving aggressively then the press have every reason to call us whiney and entitled, I said before that the groups in question "Retake, HTL and HTW" are walking a tightrope, any aggression is going to shake that rope.

The groups have done a fantastic job, don't let it all be for nothing by taking an aggressive stance, you really need to stay above that kind of approach.

[ld1449]

Goodwood wrote...

I'm sorry, but that is still incorrect. This spirit of destiny, so to speak, permeated the entire Japanese high command. It was as integral to their military ethos as the need to "leave no man behind" is to ours in the modern era, and was no easier to abandon; their whole culture lived for the "decisive victory," the "moment of truth" that would announce for all to see that they had achieved victory beyond questioning (this was the imperative that led up to the Battle of Midway, and even resonated in the last mission of the Yamato). Hence why so few commanders saw the light, and only after it was far, far too late to stem the tide.

I recommend reading the book Flyboys to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

Haven't read that one. I'll pick it up. I try to read as many books as I can from as many sources as I can. So far I have three American WW2 books, and 2 british ones, one of which focuses on the pacific conflict. It dedicates a whole chunk to Iwo-Jima which kind of irritates me since all other books dedicate at least 50 pages minimum to the famous conflict, but I digress.

I haven't ever been able to find a WW2 book from a Japanese author though. I don't buy stuff online so I have to go with what I find in the library at the time.