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[Laterali]

chmarr wrote...

theres ONE thing i would love to be added to ME3, its nothing much but when shepard enters the life support room (the one where thane sat in ME2) i would like a small cut scene where shepard puts down a hot cup of thanes favorite drink and then have shepard say "this is for you thane"

or even have a flashback scene with thane, even do the same for mordin and legion so that we know there gone but not forgotten.

as each time i go past the memorial wall on the normandy i just with those 3 names were not there but have those 3 fight alongside me

YES! I was so dissapointed by the lack of acknowledgement that one of your friends died. I thought what would have been really great, is after they die, they show you adding their name plaque to the wall of the dead on Normandy, and have you just standing there staring at the wall as the scene fades out.

Maybe have Garrus or your LI standing there with you. Another missed opportunity.

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

The reason I don't like their twitter explanations about why there are no consequences with "destruction" is basically because it's just them whiting out the last sentence of that sequence. It'd feel so fake. That plus there's no gratification gained from it when the events preceding it still go on as such. An arbitrary happy ending doesn't serve a purpose when it still makes you feel like you didn't earn it.

That's why I think they originally intended an ending dlc. For a month they ****ed at us about their artistic integrity, and we just didn't get it.

Then they turned a 180 and on twitter were like, "oh no, star baby was lying. "

Geth Survived,

Edi survived.

Shepard lives.

There's a chance Shepard and LI reunite.

You can't chastise us on calling out your "artistic integrity" and then go completely against it by giving us little bits like this later.

It would frustrate me far worse to see that they were completely willing to crap all over their "artistic integtrity", but only for something so cheap. With the hints they keep dropping on twitter, I fear this is exactly what they are going to do. I will say I think that it'd make me more mad than what we already have.

If they do decide to retcon any of the endings, I hope they do it properly, rather than just preface it with "The catalyst was actually lying so you get to move on to your Magic Party Happy Time ™ "

[Tyion133]

Rjames112 wrote...

Have you considered the fact that perhaps there is no ending that Bioware or anyone else could create that would live up to the expectations you've set for your own personal ending?

Bioware had some statistics for Pax that were pretty astounding; the variables for all plot decisions: 3500 different plot values, in ME1.ME2 - 6400. ME3 15,000 different plot states. Essentially creating double the content (not levels, conditional character content) from ME1 to ME2 and 3 to 4 times as much content for ME3. There's no feasible way that all those plot points could have been combined into an ending for every player. Now that being said I think that Bioware swung the pendulum the other way in terms of inclusion of player specific decisions but personally I think alot of the community would be disappointed regardless of the ending because it would not be the ending they envisioned for their Shepard.

So... TIM having all the stuff from the Collector Base even after I blew it up was an explainable ''plot value''?

[Kyria Nyriese]

chmarr wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...


I was so prepared to hate him coming up to the game, then played the demo and found out he's this really likeable guy, and really started liking him by the time I got to London in the game.  If he was a LI I would roll an unattached Shepard and romance him, however, he is not so /shrug

He's not romanceable? I just assumed he was, seemed an obvious thing to me. So is Femshep neglected a bit in the romance dept?

MaleShep gets Tali, Ashley, Liara, Allers, Traynor, Kaiden, Cortez...

Femshep gets Garrus, Kaiden, Liara, probably Traynor cause she mentions EDI's sexy voice....... Who else?

I'm not gonna bring up the ME2 romances, cause those were a joke. And I thought Jacob couldn't possibly had been made a less likeable character...They proved me wrong.

femshep is a ****, she bangs EVERYONE

She is not, all of my femsheps romanced Kaidan and stayed true to him throughout the series

[g_bassi13]

Rjames112 wrote...

Have you considered the fact that perhaps there is no ending that Bioware or anyone else could create that would live up to the expectations you've set for your own personal ending?

Bioware had some statistics for Pax that were pretty astounding; the variables for all plot decisions: 3500 different plot values, in ME1.ME2 - 6400. ME3 15,000 different plot states. Essentially creating double the content (not levels, conditional character content) from ME1 to ME2 and 3 to 4 times as much content for ME3. There's no feasible way that all those plot points could have been combined into an ending for every player. Now that being said I think that Bioware swung the pendulum the other way in terms of inclusion of player specific decisions but personally I think alot of the community would be disappointed regardless of the ending because it would not be the ending they envisioned for their Shepard.

Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

[chmarr]

cant wait, the avengers movie starts next week in the uk (april 26th nationwide) already have tickets to go see it

[Kyria Nyriese]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Rjames112 wrote...
Have you considered the fact that perhaps there is no ending that Bioware or anyone else could create that would live up to the expectations you've set for your own personal ending?

Bioware had some statistics for Pax that were pretty astounding; the variables for all plot decisions: 3500 different plot values, in ME1.ME2 - 6400. ME3 15,000 different plot states. Essentially creating double the content (not levels, conditional character content) from ME1 to ME2 and 3 to 4 times as much content for ME3. There's no feasible way that all those plot points could have been combined into an ending for every player. Now that being said I think that Bioware swung the pendulum the other way in terms of inclusion of player specific decisions but personally I think alot of the community would be disappointed regardless of the ending because it would not be the ending they envisioned for their Shepard.

Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Hell I didn't even care if it had 16 endings, I wanted the variation from the Reapers win to Happy we all won and everyone lived happily ever after, with everything in between.  Which is what we were told we would get.  Right now I would be happy if they just added the Reapers win ending, that at least would have brought a solid and logical solution.

[Phoenix NL]

chmarr wrote...

cant wait, the avengers movie starts next week in the uk (april 26th nationwide) already have tickets to go see it

Only because you stole them off of my desk you naughty puddy tat!

[Lestatman]

chmarr wrote...

cant wait, the avengers movie starts next week in the uk (april 26th nationwide) already have tickets to go see it

Yh Scarlett Johansson need I say more.

Has there been any new developments since yesterday?

[sagevallant]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Rjames112 wrote...
Have you considered the fact that perhaps there is no ending that Bioware or anyone else could create that would live up to the expectations you've set for your own personal ending?

Bioware had some statistics for Pax that were pretty astounding; the variables for all plot decisions: 3500 different plot values, in ME1.ME2 - 6400. ME3 15,000 different plot states. Essentially creating double the content (not levels, conditional character content) from ME1 to ME2 and 3 to 4 times as much content for ME3. There's no feasible way that all those plot points could have been combined into an ending for every player. Now that being said I think that Bioware swung the pendulum the other way in terms of inclusion of player specific decisions but personally I think alot of the community would be disappointed regardless of the ending because it would not be the ending they envisioned for their Shepard.

Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Hell I didn't even care if it had 16 endings, I wanted the variation from the Reapers win to Happy we all won and everyone lived happily ever after, with everything in between.  Which is what we were told we would get.  Right now I would be happy if they just added the Reapers win ending, that at least would have brought a solid and logical solution.

I was disappointed by the lack of an ending where Darth Shepard assumes control of the Reaper Forge, crushes the Republic, and conquers the galaxy.

Edit: Having slain his traitorous, jaw-less apprentice, Darth Vega.

Modifié par sagevallant, 19 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Rjames112]

g_bassi13 wrote...
Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Not at all, you actually kind of misread my point. I am just attempting to point out that all the decisions create an immensely large number of permutations for an ending to be truely 'the ending we want after all' and that perhaps no ending that would skip over some of those (even whittling the permutations down to 16) would be good enough.

I also said they had swung the pendulum the other way eliminating the choices. I made no distinction as to whether or not they were good to do so. As it stands they really did misrepresent the game in pre-release PR. That we agree on.

Modifié par Rjames112, 19 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[Laterali]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Hell I didn't even care if it had 16 endings, I wanted the variation from the Reapers win to Happy we all won and everyone lived happily ever after, with everything in between.  Which is what we were told we would get.  Right now I would be happy if they just added the Reapers win ending, that at least would have brought a solid and logical solution.

exactly this!

That's what was promised leading up to release. They never gave any doubt that is what we were getting. They marketed the whole game on these choices affecting the end of the game this way.

What we got was a tacked on cinematic with the only difference being the color palette.

We're not explecting the game to say, Hey Jesse <my name< You killed the Reapers, we baked you a cake, and Anderson and Hackett are going to adopt you. And the Geth already built yours and tali's house. Here's the keys, and also, a new car!

We just want what was promised us.

[Matt_gekko88]

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Pride of the Alliance

This made my day. James. James. James...... :facepalm: my question is what happened afterward. Did he ever get the AA guns offline? Did Tali have to take over, or was he actually able to do the task fast than EDI by breaking the thing?

I have to try this to see.

[sagevallant]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

It's still better than mentally dating a character from a movie

[g_bassi13]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Rjames112 wrote...
Have you considered the fact that perhaps there is no ending that Bioware or anyone else could create that would live up to the expectations you've set for your own personal ending?

Bioware had some statistics for Pax that were pretty astounding; the variables for all plot decisions: 3500 different plot values, in ME1.ME2 - 6400. ME3 15,000 different plot states. Essentially creating double the content (not levels, conditional character content) from ME1 to ME2 and 3 to 4 times as much content for ME3. There's no feasible way that all those plot points could have been combined into an ending for every player. Now that being said I think that Bioware swung the pendulum the other way in terms of inclusion of player specific decisions but personally I think alot of the community would be disappointed regardless of the ending because it would not be the ending they envisioned for their Shepard.

Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Hell I didn't even care if it had 16 endings, I wanted the variation from the Reapers win to Happy we all won and everyone lived happily ever after, with everything in between.  Which is what we were told we would get.  Right now I would be happy if they just added the Reapers win ending, that at least would have brought a solid and logical solution.

I'm not expecting them to give us 16 endings at this point (obviously, lol). I'll be just fine with a 4th choice to reject the 3 they gave us. So that Shepard and the armada can fight on their own terms, and she doesn't break her entire character for the sake of a forced closure ending.

It's just that "15,000 plot variables" is the biggest cop out explanation for the ending there is, so I had to respond. It's even worse than the dreaded "illusion of choice" explanation. 

Also I agree that a "reapers win" ending was very much needed.

[Atrocity]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

I approve of this post.

[g_bassi13]

Rjames112 wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...
Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Not at all, you actually kind of misread my point. I am just attempting to point out that all the decisions create an immensely large number of permutations for an ending to be truely 'the ending we want after all' and that perhaps no ending that would skip over some of those (even whittling the permutations down to 16) would be good enough.

I also said they had swung the pendulum the other way eliminating the choices. I made no distinction as to whether or not they were good to do so. As it stands they really did misrepresent the game in pre-release PR. That we agree on.

No one was expecting a truly personal ending. We don't expect stupid things like whether we helped the Asari Consort to actually effect the ending. I'm talking major stuff. Like the collectors base decision. Or the Quarian/Geth one. Or the Genophage cure. Just something.

But that they couldn't give us anything at all, and that's what's awful. Not a thing mattered. Nothing at all to work with. They half assed it. Just gave up and threw what they had out there. And there's no reason why anyone has to be understanding about the crap they gave us.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 19 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Goodwood]

sagevallant wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

It's still better than mentally dating a character from a movie

People do it with movie and novel characters all the time, often to the disgust of others.

To whit: Twilight.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

Not that anyone cares, but you have my stamp of approval

[Goodwood]

So yeah, back after a goodly amount of sleep. Did I miss anything important or has it been more of the same?

[Kyria Nyriese]

Goodwood wrote...

So yeah, back after a goodly amount of sleep. Did I miss anything important or has it been more of the same?

I think today has fallen under the SSDD routine.  Though I could be wrong.

Oh and welcome back
HUG ATTACK

Modifié par Kyria Nyriese, 19 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[Laterali]

Goodwood wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

❑ Taken
❑ Single
✔ Mentally dating a character that doesnt actually exist... a Bioware character...

It's still better than mentally dating a character from a movie

People do it with movie and novel characters all the time, often to the disgust of others.

To whit: Twilight.

My sister, who is almost 40 by the way, loves Twilight to an obsessive level. She reads all the books and gushes over the sparkly vampire and  werewolf. I don't know their names. She even drags my 13 year old niece to the movie theater to watch all of them, even though my niece hates the movies.

What's funny is my niece says it's the same thing every time she went to the movies. Middle aged women with preteen daughters, and the middle aged mothers were more interested in the movie than all the kids.

Ugh, soccer moms and their unchecked hormones.... Javik would probably throw up if he walked into those theaters.

[Goodwood]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I think today has fallen under the SSDD routine.  Though I could be wrong.

Oh and welcome back
HUG ATTACK

*is attacked by a rabid hug-monster*

*enjoys it*

Yeah, I guess I kinda got a hint of that on the last couple of pages. 15,000 endings for 15,000 variables?! LMAO! Also, I seem to recall someone kvetching about how the ending of DA:O included slideshow explainations. Why is this a bad thing? They added them onto a very well-done ending sequence which was drastically different depending on your final in-game choice, and they actually explained things that mattered to the player!

Modifié par Goodwood, 19 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[sagevallant]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Rjames112 wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...
Lmao at the suggestion that people are asking for 15,000 different endings. You don't believe that do you? I'm pretty sure people were just expecting them to work the major variables into 16 different endings.... You know, like they said they would.

Not at all, you actually kind of misread my point. I am just attempting to point out that all the decisions create an immensely large number of permutations for an ending to be truely 'the ending we want after all' and that perhaps no ending that would skip over some of those (even whittling the permutations down to 16) would be good enough.

I also said they had swung the pendulum the other way eliminating the choices. I made no distinction as to whether or not they were good to do so. As it stands they really did misrepresent the game in pre-release PR. That we agree on.

No one was expecting a truly personal ending. We don't expect stupid things like whether we helped the Asari Consort to actually effect the ending. I'm talking major stuff. Like the collectors base decision. Or the Quarian/Geth one. Or the Genophage cure. Just something.

But that they couldn't give us anything at all, and that's what's awful. Not a thing mattered. Nothing at all to work with. They half assed it. Just gave up and threw what they had out there. And there's no reason why anyone has to be understanding the crap they gave us.

I think that whether you saved or destroyed the Collector's Base affects which options you have to pick to save earth if your EMS is in the 2000s? Y'know, the endings none of us saw because we all set out to pursue the BEST endings?