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[Cybermortis]

Lestatman wrote...

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard's journey.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No.
BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of
this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand
on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Might be doing something but not nearly enough.

Read what you wrote there very carefully.

All they have really said is 'We will not be dropping the ending and totally re-writing it'. That doesn't eliminate the possibilty of, say, something akin to the indoctronation theory being added.

The second part is simply saying 'We will not go back and change the ending if you don't like the new one'. Regardless of what I think about Bioware (or for that matter what the Extended Ending is like) this is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to say and do.

[chmarr]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Side point, did we get any kind of reaction from sending the cranes?

apart from a picture and a thank you in twitter ................ nothing

[suprarj]

Cybermortis wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard's journey.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No.
BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of
this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand
on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Might be doing something but not nearly enough.

Read what you wrote there very carefully.

All they have really said is 'We will not be dropping the ending and totally re-writing it'. That doesn't eliminate the possibilty of, say, something akin to the indoctronation theory being added.

The second part is simply saying 'We will not go back and change the ending if you don't like the new one'. Regardless of what I think about Bioware (or for that matter what the Extended Ending is like) this is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to say and do.

the indoctrination theory is over, get over it.

[Phoenix NL]

chmarr wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

chmarr - "the biggest by far we actually got the people who reviewed ME3 and gave it a perfect score actually go back and play a RETAIL version, those reviewers have since then RETRACTED there perfect score and gave it a much lower score."

This happened?

well a lot of people in this very thread looked for these "perfect" scores and recently its been said the "perfect" scores have all become less than perfect now.

reviewers are sent review copies of the game which did not have an ending, i think someone posted a link to a reviewer re-reviewing ME3 by using a retail version and was rather annoyed at what was NOT in the review copy and lowered the score accordingly.

i swear to him up stairs i did see a link, i just cannot be arsed trailing through nearly 3550 pages

You don't mean the guy who was talking about the mythical "3rd disc" are you?

[xcomcmdr]

I don't think the IT is over.

But I don't think that BW will use it.

And the ending is FUBARed, the extended cut will do nothing.

[chmarr]

Cybermortis wrote...
Read what you wrote there very carefully.

All they have really said is 'We will not be dropping the ending and totally re-writing it'. That doesn't eliminate the possibilty of, say, something akin to the indoctronation theory being added.

The second part is simply saying 'We will not go back and change the ending if you don't like the new one'. Regardless of what I think about Bioware (or for that matter what the Extended Ending is like) this is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to say and do.

i still think the indoctronation theory is valid in game, there are a lot of scenes that prove the indoctronation theory but with bioware neither denying it or aknowloging it does send a signal that it is

[RussianOrc]

Lestatman wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

You're absolutely right, they have promised to do something about the ending

Though I agree with everything you said, this is still a pretty big stretch, lol.

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard's journey.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No.
BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of
this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand
on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Might be doing something but not nearly enough.

The problem is that bioware doesn't seems to have realized that unless the EC turns up to be awesome, their other DLC plans are doomed to failure.

[Lestatman]

@ Cybermortis I appreciate that's how you see it, I simply don't. Maybe in time when things become more clearer and we get facts then we can judge things better.

[chmarr]

Phoenix NL wrote...

chmarr wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

chmarr - "the biggest by far we actually got the people who reviewed ME3 and gave it a perfect score actually go back and play a RETAIL version, those reviewers have since then RETRACTED there perfect score and gave it a much lower score."

This happened?

well a lot of people in this very thread looked for these "perfect" scores and recently its been said the "perfect" scores have all become less than perfect now.

reviewers are sent review copies of the game which did not have an ending, i think someone posted a link to a reviewer re-reviewing ME3 by using a retail version and was rather annoyed at what was NOT in the review copy and lowered the score accordingly.

i swear to him up stairs i did see a link, i just cannot be arsed trailing through nearly 3550 pages

You don't mean the guy who was talking about the mythical "3rd disc" are you?

turned out the 3rd disc was an offline version of multiplayer with bots

[Atrocity]

Cybermortis wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard's journey.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No.
BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of
this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand
on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Might be doing something but not nearly enough.

Read what you wrote there very carefully.

All they have really said is 'We will not be dropping the ending and totally re-writing it'. That doesn't eliminate the possibilty of, say, something akin to the indoctronation theory being added.

The second part is simply saying 'We will not go back and change the ending if you don't like the new one'. Regardless of what I think about Bioware (or for that matter what the Extended Ending is like) this is a perfectly reasonable thing for them to say and do.

When did you ninja yourself here? 

But this is precisely what I think and have been saying for some time now. People shouldn't give up on ME just yet, plenty of time to do that after the releace of EC-DLC 

[Cybermortis]

suprarj wrote...

the indoctrination theory is over, get over it.

I was using it as an example - Bioware's statement's simply indicate the star-kid will stay. It doesn't mean they couldn't add a 'real' ending after that point.

[Laterali]

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

[Cybermortis]

Lestatman wrote...

@ Cybermortis I appreciate that's how you see it, I simply don't. Maybe in time when things become more clearer and we get facts then we can judge things better.

I agree.

My point was not to try and read more into anything BW has said, as a lot of their comments could be taken multiple ways and were probably written to allow them wriggle room anyway. 

[chmarr]

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

i just have a raptordog feeling the EC will be a HUGE let down and will cause MORE trouble and MORE plot holes

[Laterali]

chmarr wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

i just have a raptordog feeling the EC will be a HUGE let down and will cause MORE trouble and MORE plot holes

That's entirely possible. They could be completely disconnected with what their consumers have asked for. In 30 seconds I could come up with a script of how they could keep their ending and artistic integrity intact, and still add what the majority of us have asked for. If they are that stubborn that they can't see how easy it is, then it isn't something that could ever be helped, no matter how long we hold the line, how many polls and petitions we sign.

If they come out with the EC, and it is just awful, that means that they are just doing it on purpose. They have thousands of pages with people who are saying the same thing. If they can't find a happy medium, they don't deserve my patronage.

I'll say "Thank you for the many years of enjoyment you've given me, Bioware. But you have taken a path I won't follow." And ME3 will be the last product I buy from them. That's as much as I can do.

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

I really hope they don't do that. That would be a horrible excuse for a fix. I would rather they do nothing, than do this.

[DJBare]

chmarr wrote...
I just have a raptordog feeling the EC will be a HUGE let down and will cause MORE trouble and MORE plot holes

Only if I'm lucky, this forum has been considerably more interesting since the ending fiasco started, what can I say, I enjoy slow motion car wrecks *sips single malt*

[-Spartan]

A thread some of you may be interested in reading:

All Were Thematically Revolting

Modifié par -Spartan, 20 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Fallenfromthesky]

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

Thats the thing the three endings in themeselves do work if they were standalones.  Its not the content of the ending that really annoyed me (althought they were decidely average) it was how they where delivered. They where just thrown into the mix and not expanded or explaned and they we weren't even show concequences  of our actions.

That was one of the key themes throughout the entire Mass Effect trilogy. Another thing that bothered me was why was Shepard shown to be living in the perfect destroy ending. Its like Jeremy Jahns say BW didn't want to commit either way but think this is THE end, You have those non-commiting bit in earlier games to keep creative doors open. 

Example Lord of The Rings at the end of The Fellowship we know Boromir has been seperated from the group but we don't know if he has died. It is only established at the start of The Two Towers that he died. JRR Tolkien obviously used this gap as a way to allow for Boromir to either live or die. If we are to contrast this to the end of Return of The King we know exaclty what happens there is little room for the scewing of the ultimate fate of characters.

Sorry for death by text but it been a while since I wrote so I figured it was time. Anyhoo how are we all and anything interesting rolling through the thread.

[Laterali]

g_bassi13 wrote...


I really hope they don't do that. That would be a horrible excuse for a fix. I would rather they do nothing, than do this.

If they don't retcon the whole ending, there's only so much they can do. I believe Weekes has stated EDI can survive the destroy ending on Twitter. Jessica mentioned that the star baby doesn't have to be telling the truth. Take that as you will, but if they keep their ending as it stands, there can only be so much they can do to fill in the blanks.

I'm honestly not expecting much more than that. If I'm wrong and they completely redo the ending, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not going to get my hopes up only to be dissapointed again.

If they can cut out just a few minor details, and replace them, like the relays actually survive, geth and EDI actually survive, and the allied forces are able to get back home, it would actually fix 85% of what I had a problem with. My biggest gripe was the fact that I spent over 100 hours playing this game to stop the Reapers destroying the galaxy, only to blow it up myself.

The destroy ending already proves you can survive, if they add to it where its more than just a breath, and the Normandy crew gets recovered, what else can we possibly expect if they keep the star baby?

[RussianOrc]

chmarr wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

i just have a raptordog feeling the EC will be a HUGE let down and will cause MORE trouble and MORE plot holes

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

[g_bassi13]

-Spartan wrote...

A thread some of you may be interested in reading:

All Were Thematically Revolting

I like the updated OP. All it does is expand on what he said earlier, but it makes for an even better read.

[Fallenfromthesky]

RussianOrc wrote...

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

They don't HAVE to do anything. If what you say does happen then rather than rebuilding the ending BW may just allow ME to die a quiet death and focus energy into a new game series.

[Laterali]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

They don't HAVE to do anything. If what you say does happen then rather than rebuilding the ending BW may just allow ME to die a quiet death and focus energy into a new game series.

And I'm pretty positive that's what they'll do. Honestly if they have all this going on and it's fresh, and they still don't deliver what their consumers ask, what makes anyone think they'll do it after the majority of the backlash has faded. Especially the fact that it would be EA's money they would be risking. If EC doesn't deliver, and everyone refuses to buy their first paid DLC after EC's release, they'll just close it down.

There's no way EA is going to put in more money for a product that isn't selling to begin with. They tell Bioware to shut ME3's DLC development down, probably put out a memo that ME3's MP servers will go down after a year, and move on to DA3 or something else.

[RussianOrc]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

They don't HAVE to do anything. If what you say does happen then rather than rebuilding the ending BW may just allow ME to die a quiet death and focus energy into a new game series.

This would be the worst option for them because if they "allow ME to die a quiet death" one thing is certain, the fans will never forget what they did to ME and will remember this the next time before investing their "souls" into another bioware franchise.
Some fans may forgive but they will never forget what they did to them.