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[chmarr]

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[Cybermortis]

RussianOrc wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

They don't HAVE to do anything. If what you say does happen then rather than rebuilding the ending BW may just allow ME to die a quiet death and focus energy into a new game series.

This would be the worst option for them because if they "allow ME to die a quiet death" one thing is certain, the fans will never forget what they did to ME and will remember this the next time before investing their "souls" into another bioware franchise.
Some fans may forgive but they will never forget what they did to them. 

One thing to consider is the Mass Effect film. If the series is allowed to fade then the film will probably never get made - which is billions of $ lost to EA/BW.

[Goodwood]

-Spartan wrote...

A thread some of you may be interested in reading:

All Were Thematically Revolting

Give that professor tenure! That is, if he hasn't already got it...

[Fallenfromthesky]

RussianOrc wrote...


This would be the worst option for them because if they "allow ME to die a quiet death" one thing is certain, the fans will never forget what they did to ME and will remember this the next time before investing their "souls" into another bioware franchise.
Some fans may forgive but they will never forget what they did to them. 

 
True but Game companies don't necessarily need customes to invest there souls they just need purchases look at COD i have had no emotional involvement with that series but I bought it because it was fun nothing more and beside we can hope DA3 will be better

[sagevallant]

RussianOrc wrote...

chmarr wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I still think the EC can fix the major problems. If they add more dialogue between the star baby and Shepard, and then all they have to do is what they've been saying in tweets.(God I hate that word)
Once you choose to destroy the Reapers, it is shown that the star baby was lying the whole time, the Geth and Edi survive, Shepard is shown to survive, The Allied forces survived, fixed the mass relays, and what not, and Shepard finds the Normandy crew.

If what I've seen on twitter is true, they retconned most of the stuff that was "WTF" about the ending already. For all I care they can keep control and synthesis endings the same, cause they are irrelevant in my mind. They could easily fix the endings by just adding in scenes.

i just have a raptordog feeling the EC will be a HUGE let down and will cause MORE trouble and MORE plot holes

If the EC turns out to be a let down they may to refuse to change the ending at first but, when their other dlc sales start to show unsatisfying numbers they will have to reconsider.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the ending on the disc was always intended to be disappointing. So they could make a new ending as was always planned, except charge for it like they won't be able to get away with now due to fan outcry at THIS ending. The explanation being something along the lines of the IT.

While I do believe that they have denied this possibility, I personally remain skeptical. They said that the Prothean DLC wasn't on the disc, but it was. Took about 12 hours for someone to prove that and post it on the internet. The ad campaigns were lies if they WEREN'T planning on a different ending. Whichever way you look at it, there were lies, and I'm a very cynical person. There will be absolutely no pre-ordering of DA3 from me, if I decide to buy it at all. Even if the EC just floors us all with the magnitude of its awesomeness.

Really, I'm sick of all the hype and lies and money-gouging around a series I used to love. And, no, a $3 multiplayer pack for free is not going to change my mind about the money-gouging.

[Laterali]

chmarr wrote...

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What a weird article. Of course it's a customer service issue and not a legal issue. That's what we've been saying for over a month. That's why we've petitioned Bioware to fix it, rather than a lawsuit. There's no way that lawsuit would go anyway. What it comes down to is Bioware and EA are going to have to measure how many customers they are willing to lose to keep their artistic integrity.

[Fallenfromthesky]

Cybermortis wrote...


One thing to consider is the Mass Effect film. If the series is allowed to fade then the film will probably never get made - which is billions of $ lost to EA/BW.

Sorry but can I call you on something the money lost from the ME film would just be speculation. because the film is in such and early stage there is limited capital invested and so EA don't stand to loose much actual capital jsut the opportunity for more.

Looking at this from an economics point of view there is an opportunity cost involved in the EC DLC, it the choise of do we satisfy current customers of Mass Effect or do we spend the capital elsewhere.

You know what I might do my economics report on this Whole issue.

[Phoenix NL]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


One thing to consider is the Mass Effect film. If the series is allowed to fade then the film will probably never get made - which is billions of $ lost to EA/BW.

Sorry but can I call you on something the money lost from the ME film would just be speculation. because the film is in such and early stage there is limited capital invested and so EA don't stand to loose much actual capital jsut the opportunity for more.

Looking at this from an economics point of view there is an opportunity cost involved in the EC DLC, it the choise of do we satisfy current customers of Mass Effect or do we spend the capital elsewhere.

You know what I might do my economics report on this Whole issue.

I'm certainly no economics buff but wouldn't the studio have purchased the rights to produce an ME film? It wouldn't be EA fronting the money?

[sagevallant]

chmarr wrote...

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"The claim is based on deceptive business practices, where the vendor
lies to the consumer and gives a different product than promised," noted
analyst and lawyer Michael Pachter, Managing Director of Equity
Research for Wedbush Securities. "That means dog meat instead of beef,
not rare instead of medium rare. I agree that 'only' 3 endings didn't
give gamers what some expected (unlimited permutations based on player
choice), and agree that it was disappointing to have so few choices at
the end, but the 'damage' here is at most a refund for those who were
dissatisfied, not any massive government action against EA/BioWare."

"I am not sure that I even accept the premise of the complaint: as far
as I know, the company said player choices would influence the outcome,
but I don't think there was a guarantee of limitless outcomes. Rather,
the player was offered a choice of three ending paths," Pachter
continued. "Arguably, this could be construed to mean player choice
affected the outcome. I suppose there may have been a comment from
someone at BioWare that 'every' choice would affect the outcome, but it
would be difficult to prove that furnished the sole basis for the
purchase. Curiously, NO reviewer that I am aware of pointed out the lack
of ending choices. That means this is just one more thing blown out of
proportion by the gaming press."



Well, I feel like that guy wasn't paying attention when they were explaining the situation. Last time I checked, 16 /= 3. If you even want to call them 3 different endings. I mean, I'm not saying that suing a company over its ads is the best way to go about accomplishing anything ever. Generally whenever you involve a lawyer you're only complicating the situation because you've enlisted someone who gets paid more the longer the situation drags on.

I'ma go play Crono Trigger. That game knows how to do multiple endings. :innocent:

[RussianOrc]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...


This would be the worst option for them because if they "allow ME to die a quiet death" one thing is certain, the fans will never forget what they did to ME and will remember this the next time before investing their "souls" into another bioware franchise.
Some fans may forgive but they will never forget what they did to them. 

 
True but Game companies don't necessarily need customes to invest there souls they just need purchases look at COD i have had no emotional involvement with that series but I bought it because it was fun nothing more and beside we can hope DA3 will be better

If i'm understanding what you're saying correctly then you are suggesting that bioware can do a shift in their fanbase like capcom did with Resident evil 4?
I haven't thought on this possibility,Yeah this is is quite plausible.

[chmarr]

I DEMAND A ............... snuggle :3

[Fallenfromthesky]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


One thing to consider is the Mass Effect film. If the series is allowed to fade then the film will probably never get made - which is billions of $ lost to EA/BW.

Sorry but can I call you on something the money lost from the ME film would just be speculation. because the film is in such and early stage there is limited capital invested and so EA don't stand to loose much actual capital jsut the opportunity for more.

Looking at this from an economics point of view there is an opportunity cost involved in the EC DLC, it the choise of do we satisfy current customers of Mass Effect or do we spend the capital elsewhere.

You know what I might do my economics report on this Whole issue.

I'm certainly no economics buff but wouldn't the studio have purchased the rights to produce an ME film? It wouldn't be EA fronting the money?

The right would have cost a bit but hiring actors, set designs, make-up, hell the guy who makes the tea. it these things that haven't been invested in and that the real cost of films at least it seems that way to me. and at this time very little of this has been set up so EA won't lose money on that but neither will they gain

[Fallenfromthesky]

RussianOrc wrote...

If i'm understanding what you're saying correctly then you are suggesting that bioware can do a shift in their fanbase like capcom did with Resident evil 4?
I haven't thought on this possibility,Yeah this is is quite plausible.

Thats what I was shooting for we've already seen this with the inclusion of the MP. It wasn't needed but it opened up ME to a wider audience

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...


I really hope they don't do that. That would be a horrible excuse for a fix. I would rather they do nothing, than do this.

If they don't retcon the whole ending, there's only so much they can do. I believe Weekes has stated EDI can survive the destroy ending on Twitter. Jessica mentioned that the star baby doesn't have to be telling the truth. Take that as you will, but if they keep their ending as it stands, there can only be so much they can do to fill in the blanks.

I'm honestly not expecting much more than that. If I'm wrong and they completely redo the ending, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not going to get my hopes up only to be dissapointed again.

If they can cut out just a few minor details, and replace them, like the relays actually survive, geth and EDI actually survive, and the allied forces are able to get back home, it would actually fix 85% of what I had a problem with. My biggest gripe was the fact that I spent over 100 hours playing this game to stop the Reapers destroying the galaxy, only to blow it up myself.

The destroy ending already proves you can survive, if they add to it where its more than just a breath, and the Normandy crew gets recovered, what else can we possibly expect if they keep the star baby?

I know they limit themselves if they decide to do nothing but keep only the 3 choices... but this is no better. I've talked about this many, many times in the thread already, so I don't know what to say without completely repeating myself. But basically, I think a happy ending for the sake of a happy ending has no value if the surrounding material remains exactly as is. You don't earn the happy ending, and it in turn does nothing to wipe out the bad taste of everything that preceded it. I believe there's so much more fundamentally wrong with the ending than what you outlined.

I don't consider Control and Synthesis to be even remotely viable options, but making destruction the arbitrary "do no wrong" ending makes the whole thing weaker than it already is. "Oh it turns out the kid was lying, so nothing bad happened!" Yay? Yes their entire artistic integrity argument is BS, but to have them drop the whole thing and contradict themselves for something so cheap... This would not a proper ending, and it would confirm that they simply went the absolutely laziest route to try to fix the ending.

In this way, to save the galaxy, all you do is have to sit through some BS dialogue, limp to some pipes, and then shoot them. That does absolutely nothing for me. Is that how an epic trilogy should end? I need more than for them to turn destruction into the Magic Party Happy Time ™  option, which activates a couple of stupid happy cutscenes. I don't need cutscenes, or a damn epilogue if that’s all we’re getting.

If this is something they decide to do, it's just a cheap attempt to appeal to the "OMG BLUE BABIES!!!" side of everyone that's upset. I don’t buy it for a second.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 20 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[RussianOrc]

I hope they don't forget to add a boss battle with harbinger in this EC.

[Jimmie_Rox]

Hey threadnought peoples

Anything news worthy turned up since last weekend? Or are they still hoping a few more cutscenes will make us like the crap they're attempting to spoon-feed us?

On a side note, I finally felt brave enough to fire up ME1 for a bit and laughed so hard when I got to the Citadel then was on my way to the first meeting with the Council when Garrus said "maybe they'll listen to you."

[Phoenix NL]

Jimmie_Rox wrote...

Hey threadnought peoples

Anything news worthy turned up since last weekend? Or are they still hoping a few more cutscenes will make us like the crap they're attempting to spoon-feed us?

On a side note, I finally felt brave enough to fire up ME1 for a bit and laughed so hard when I got to the Citadel then was on my way to the first meeting with the Council when Garrus said "maybe they'll listen to you."

Oh the days of blissful ignorance!

[TamiBx]

RussianOrc wrote...

I hope they don't forget to add a boss battle with harbinger in this EC.

Don't think they will, to be honest. I don't see them adding anything to what happens before you go into the crucible. 

[DJBare]

Laterali wrote...
If they don't retcon the whole ending, there's only so much they can do. I believe Weekes has stated EDI can survive the destroy ending on Twitter. Jessica mentioned that the star baby doesn't have to be telling the truth. Take that as you will, but if they keep their ending as it stands, there can only be so much they can do to fill in the blanks.

I need a link to that, if anyone knows anything please please find a source, and only a source to Weekes please.

[darkstarxt]

RussianOrc wrote...

I hope they don't forget to add a boss battle with harbinger  ai vent boy in this EC.

fixed

[RussianOrc]

TamiBx wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

I hope they don't forget to add a boss battle with harbinger in this EC.

Don't think they will, to be honest. I don't see them adding anything to what happens before you go into the crucible. 

Weeks said he wanted more closure on harbinger, that gave me some hope.

[Phoenix NL]

DJBare wrote...

Laterali wrote...
If they don't retcon the whole ending, there's only so much they can do. I believe Weekes has stated EDI can survive the destroy ending on Twitter. Jessica mentioned that the star baby doesn't have to be telling the truth. Take that as you will, but if they keep their ending as it stands, there can only be so much they can do to fill in the blanks.

I need a link to that, if anyone knows anything please please find a source, and only a source to Weekes please.

He said it during an informal Q&A with a fan in South Africa. The guy posted it on a thread somewhere on BSN...

[Oldbones2]

Laterali wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...


I really hope they don't do that. That would be a horrible excuse for a fix. I would rather they do nothing, than do this.

If they don't retcon the whole ending, there's only so much they can do. I believe Weekes has stated EDI can survive the destroy ending on Twitter. Jessica mentioned that the star baby doesn't have to be telling the truth. Take that as you will, but if they keep their ending as it stands, there can only be so much they can do to fill in the blanks.

I'm honestly not expecting much more than that. If I'm wrong and they completely redo the ending, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not going to get my hopes up only to be dissapointed again.

If they can cut out just a few minor details, and replace them, like the relays actually survive, geth and EDI actually survive, and the allied forces are able to get back home, it would actually fix 85% of what I had a problem with. My biggest gripe was the fact that I spent over 100 hours playing this game to stop the Reapers destroying the galaxy, only to blow it up myself.

The destroy ending already proves you can survive, if they add to it where its more than just a breath, and the Normandy crew gets recovered, what else can we possibly expect if they keep the star baby?

Ok, stop.

If there's one thing more distasteful than the ending, its Jessica Merizan's sad attempts to please EVERYONE with more vague crap about how Shepard could have lived, or your crew could be rescued or the Catalyst could have lied.

The endings  were powerful.

Granted they sucked.  And they broke the logic of the series.  But they had power.  Know why?  Cause they didn't pull punches.  They didn't make exceptions. 

Everyone on the Citadel DIED.  Millions of people are stranded.  Your dextro allies WILL starve.  


The logic of the series and what we SAW and HEARD in the game supports this.  Bioware knows we hate it.  And instead of trying to fix it, once again they just tell us nothing is certain (aka your wrong again fans) and its open to interpretation.


Why are people praising Bioware for sticking to their guns on the controversial endings when all JM does all day and night is nitpick and tell people that the endings aren't all that final.

WTF

[DJBare]

Phoenix NL wrote...
He said it during an informal Q&A with a fan in South Africa. The guy posted it on a thread somewhere on BSN...

Ahh well, hope dashed, par for the course around here.

[Jimmie_Rox]

RussianOrc wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

I hope they don't forget to add a boss battle with harbinger in this EC.

Don't think they will, to be honest. I don't see them adding anything to what happens before you go into the crucible. 

Weeks said he wanted more closure on harbinger, that gave me some hope.

Closure on Harby could just be a shot of him waving his tentacles while shouting "SHEPERD!" and then asploding/getting mind wiped/infused with greeness.