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[mass_zotz]

Kanmuru wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Perfect, so you agree with me that the galaxy isn't ****ed forever. There will be growth, it will be hard but now the galatic comunnity can grow on its own achievments, they might make new relays or discover new methods of fast travel. How is that a bad ending? Imo its a really good one, i prefer independence and self determination over being slaves of alien technology (just like Liara's father, the wisest asari ever)

Independent advancement is going to be PRETTY hard without the ability to quickly travel to other star systems.

"Slave to alien technology"? What? Do you know how common it is today for someone to use a product or appliance made from a foreign country? Just because you're using something made from someone else doesn't mean you can't think for yourself, it just means that someone else beat you to it. Only an idiot would try to beat themselves up by ignoring beneficial technologies developed by another race/species.

Except that none of these foreign technologies are actually death traps set by ancient evil machines lol

This entire bull**** (ME series lol) started BECAUSE of the mass relays, if we didnt found any of them we would all be fine and happy on our own. It was the fact that we got dependand on alien tech instead of finding our ways ( something that Liara's dad realised) that made us vulnerable to the reapers...

And this is why the relays NEED to go, otherwise we wont ever learn anything

OMG, what is wrong with you. We get that you don't want the relays and THAT is perfectly fine, but WHY does this have to be the ending for everyone.

[CerberusSoldier]

It looks like EA and Bioware are in full damage control . check out this Mass Effect 3 article on Game Informer .com


http://www.gameinfor...of-the-end.aspx


looks like the Games press is doing another skyrim free pass on this game

[Kanmuru]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

ever hear of FTL? in ME2 you can go to nearby systems by using normal fuel. A guy here in the forums said you can cross the entire galaxy in 27 years of flying, its really hard but its NOT the end of space travel.

I said "travelling quickly to other star systems". You know, what you use the relays for.

I'll believe what someone else says on the internet when they actually do it.

from the wiki

With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise;

The Milky Way[/i] is a barred spiral galaxy[/i] 100000–120000 light[/i]-years[/i] in diameter;[/i]

So 10k (27,37 years ) days you can cross the entire milky way. This is still a huge challenge, but can you really say the entire galaxy is ruined forever?

No, now is time for inovation, hard work and more importantly INDEPENDENCE 

[AgitatedLemon]

Kanmuru wrote...

Except that none of these foreign technologies are actually death traps set by ancient evil machines lol

This entire bull**** (ME series lol) started BECAUSE of the mass relays, if we didnt found any of them we would all be fine and happy on our own. It was the fact that we got dependand on alien tech instead of finding our ways ( something that Liara's dad realised) that made us vulnerable to the reapers...

And this is why the relays NEED to go, otherwise we wont ever learn anything

The relays aren't death traps either.

The big problem behind the scenes with ME is NOT the Reaper's technology. Even if a species didn't use Reaper tech, why do you think they'd be "happy and fine and on their own"? The second they hit space flight they would still be harvested, just like everyone else. The entire purpose behind the Reapers' harvesting is to prevent a technological singularity. Following their path is safer than being "independent". 

And no, us being vulnerable to the Reapers is due to us being vulnerable to the Reapers. You'll find that many species are also vulnerable to fire, bullets, melee attacks, and gravity, among other things.

"How dare we use beneficial technology! We could make it ourselves (Even if it will take thousands of years)! Screw quality of life!"

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 03 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[Siegdrifa]

Rdubs wrote...

mass_zotz wrote...

The whole journey not the destination makes sense for real life, but in a game you want a satisfying ending otherwise the replay value might be gone. At least for me.

THANK YOU MASS!

NOTE TO BIOWARE: If you are looking for a good metric to gauge how much people are still into ME after the newness of ME3 dies down, might I recommend monitoring the number of people who do playthroughs of the previous games.  NOT just ME3, but rather ME and ME2.  Point being, if people feel like they are truly in the "driver's seat" as one once called it, you will see a lot of people going back through the whole thing - either trying something new, or just because it's such an awesome progression.  But if people feel as if they've been ripped off or lied to and really they're just a backseat driver picking which squaddie they want along and other cosmetic stuff, people will be like "what's the point" and you'll see the number of people playing ME and ME2 drop off a cliff.  Free advice, normally I charge for it.

I agree on that, even with my optimist intrepretation of the ending where Shep and crew survive, IF it happen that i got the wrong idea and i don't find any end to my liking, there is a good chance that i'll put all the ME games in their box and never play them again ever as i need at least 1 ending i like to get a replay value.
ME1 & ME2 have very amazing replay value because there is an ending i like. If the journey is awsome but the destination if hitting the wall, then the journey tast like a big waste of time for me.
I wish i could be on the side of the people who won't give a damn about the ending and enjoy the experience, but i cannot denny how i'am.

Bioware can't please everybody, i doubt they would do endings to intetionnaly ****** off any kind of fan they have.
I just wish ME trilogie could be like Baldur's gate serie for me, still playing it in another decade because both jorney and destination are awsome.
Journey alone is not enough, the final flavor as a whole is shaded by the destination. It's just how i'm.

[kingsims]

The Control ending seems the best one that way Shepard can just tell the reapers go to the galactic core and kill themselves in a black hole after they re-build the relays. Shepard becomes eternal in that ending as well and that citadel remains intact.

Also organics don't get forced into becoming reaper husks.

[mass_zotz]

Kanmuru wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

ever hear of FTL? in ME2 you can go to nearby systems by using normal fuel. A guy here in the forums said you can cross the entire galaxy in 27 years of flying, its really hard but its NOT the end of space travel.

I said "travelling quickly to other star systems". You know, what you use the relays for.

I'll believe what someone else says on the internet when they actually do it.

from the wiki

With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise;

[color=rgb(34, 34, 34)">The ] is a barred spiral [/color]galaxy[/i][color=rgb(34, 34, 34)"> ]-[/color]years[/i] in diameter;[/i]

So 10k (27,37 years ) days you can cross the entire milky way. This is still a huge challenge, but can you really say the entire galaxy is ruined forever?

No, now is time for inovation, hard work and more importantly INDEPENDENCE 

Dude you never awnser, which leads me to believe that you just don't want others do have their different endings because you got yours

[mass_zotz]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

mass_zotz wrote...

The whole journey not the destination makes sense for real life, but in a game you want a satisfying ending otherwise the replay value might be gone. At least for me.

THANK YOU MASS!

NOTE TO BIOWARE: If you are looking for a good metric to gauge how much people are still into ME after the newness of ME3 dies down, might I recommend monitoring the number of people who do playthroughs of the previous games.  NOT just ME3, but rather ME and ME2.  Point being, if people feel like they are truly in the "driver's seat" as one once called it, you will see a lot of people going back through the whole thing - either trying something new, or just because it's such an awesome progression.  But if people feel as if they've been ripped off or lied to and really they're just a backseat driver picking which squaddie they want along and other cosmetic stuff, people will be like "what's the point" and you'll see the number of people playing ME and ME2 drop off a cliff.  Free advice, normally I charge for it.

I agree on that, even with my optimist intrepretation of the ending where Shep and crew survive, IF it happen that i got the wrong idea and i don't find any end to my liking, there is a good chance that i'll put all the ME games in their box and never play them again ever as i need at least 1 ending i like to get a replay value.
ME1 & ME2 have very amazing replay value because there is an ending i like. If the journey is awsome but the destination if hitting the wall, then the journey tast like a big waste of time for me.
I wish i could be on the side of the people who won't give a damn about the ending and enjoy the experience, but i cannot denny how i'am.

Bioware can't please everybody, i doubt they would do endings to intetionnaly ****** off any kind of fan they have.
I just wish ME trilogie could be like Baldur's gate serie for me, still playing it in another decade because both jorney and destination are awsome.
Journey alone is not enough, the final flavor as a whole is shaded by the destination. It's just how i'm.

Exactly.

[AgitatedLemon]

Kanmuru wrote...

from the wiki

With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise;

Tell me then, what is the exact speed of FTL in Mass Effect? All we know is that the ships are faster than light. Exactly how much faster is uncertain.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 03 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Sashimi_taco]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

It looks like EA and Bioware are in full damage control . check out this Mass Effect 3 article on Game Informer .com


http://www.gameinfor...of-the-end.aspx


looks like the Games press is doing another skyrim free pass on this game

It has early game spoilers in it, can you give me the jist?

[Ihatebadgames]

Stopping right before the ending sounds like the right idea.

[Kanmuru]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Except that none of these foreign technologies are actually death traps set by ancient evil machines lol

This entire bull**** (ME series lol) started BECAUSE of the mass relays, if we didnt found any of them we would all be fine and happy on our own. It was the fact that we got dependand on alien tech instead of finding our ways ( something that Liara's dad realised) that made us vulnerable to the reapers...

And this is why the relays NEED to go, otherwise we wont ever learn anything

The relays aren't death traps either.

The big problem behind the scenes with ME is NOT the Reaper's technology. Even if a species didn't use Reaper tech, why do you think they'd be "happy and fine and on their own"? The second they hit space flight they would still be harvested, just like everyone else. The entire purpose behind the Reapers' harvesting is to prevent a technological singularity. Following their path is safer than being "independent". 

And no, us being vulnerable to the Reapers is due to us being vulnerable to the Reapers. You'll find that many species are also vulnerable to fire, bullets, melee attacks, and gravity, among other things.

"How dare we use beneficial technology! We could make it ourselves (Even if it will take thousands of years)! Screw quality of life!"

Because bioware chose to use self determination and independence as basic themes of ME. The relays are the symbol of the reapers (they were made by them and are a key part of their plans) and crutches that need to go away.

Honestly i wouldnt care if they added 1 more ending for you guys but I completely understand the message bioware wanted to give, i just wished you all could too 

[RazorrX]

Wow they just altered the tos again? I just got it popping up again.

[XX55XX]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

It looks like EA and Bioware are in full damage control . check out this Mass Effect 3 article on Game Informer .com


http://www.gameinfor...of-the-end.aspx


looks like the Games press is doing another skyrim free pass on this game

It has early game spoilers in it, can you give me the jist?

You are in a spoiler forum, Sashimi. You should leave if you don't want to hear anymore. 

Rest of us knows how the game ends (somewhat vaguely).

[ttaylor0698]

I personally think it's going to be great.  I take my hat off to Bioware for going forward with this kind of ending and having the balls to execute it this way; unlike Star Trek and the Borg nonsense.
  I mean  this has been seen before during the events of Wolf 359 (Star Trek), one borg ship vs 40 starships that were decimated, yet the Borg have been defeated at every turn despite their massive advantage.

  I think it will suck, as I really enjoyed the series (Mass Effect) and the characters therein but with obstacles like the Reapers  there is really only one way to avoid totally annihilation and that's with a lot of people making the ultimate sacrifice with hope of when the dust settles and with some luck, those left standing can carry on with a new future free of...reapers. 

 At the end of the day, do we really want another story with massive foes of this nature that by all rights should've brought on the end of the world as we know it to simply be defeated by a damn "off" switch?

Spock said it best folks, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"....or the one.

[Kanmuru]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

from the wiki

With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise;

Tell me then, what is the exact speed of FTL in Mass Effect? All we know is that the ships are faster than light. Exactly how much faster is uncertain.

"With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise"

What takes light 12 years to travel, a ME drive can travel in 1 day

[CaptainChip]

Kanmuru wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Except that none of these foreign technologies are actually death traps set by ancient evil machines lol

This entire bull**** (ME series lol) started BECAUSE of the mass relays, if we didnt found any of them we would all be fine and happy on our own. It was the fact that we got dependand on alien tech instead of finding our ways ( something that Liara's dad realised) that made us vulnerable to the reapers...

And this is why the relays NEED to go, otherwise we wont ever learn anything

The relays aren't death traps either.

The big problem behind the scenes with ME is NOT the Reaper's technology. Even if a species didn't use Reaper tech, why do you think they'd be "happy and fine and on their own"? The second they hit space flight they would still be harvested, just like everyone else. The entire purpose behind the Reapers' harvesting is to prevent a technological singularity. Following their path is safer than being "independent". 

And no, us being vulnerable to the Reapers is due to us being vulnerable to the Reapers. You'll find that many species are also vulnerable to fire, bullets, melee attacks, and gravity, among other things.

"How dare we use beneficial technology! We could make it ourselves (Even if it will take thousands of years)! Screw quality of life!"

Because bioware chose to use self determination and independence as basic themes of ME. The relays are the symbol of the reapers (they were made by them and are a key part of their plans) and crutches that need to go away.

Honestly i wouldnt care if they added 1 more ending for you guys but I completely understand the message bioware wanted to give, i just wished you all could too 

But here's the problem with that message, if it's all about independence, then why shouldn't we be free to allow galactic civilization to continue? Why can't we, if we're independent, be allowed to be free with the other races?

[Sashimi_taco]

XX55XX wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

It looks like EA and Bioware are in full damage control . check out this Mass Effect 3 article on Game Informer .com


http://www.gameinfor...of-the-end.aspx


looks like the Games press is doing another skyrim free pass on this game

It has early game spoilers in it, can you give me the jist?

You are in a spoiler forum, Sashimi. You should leave if you don't want to hear anymore. 

Rest of us knows how the game ends (somewhat vaguely).

I know how the game ends, but I barely know anything else other than basic spoilers. 

I know, it's backwards. I still have complete faith that the beginning and middle will be great. Heck i even have faith there still will be a special nice ending. I just don't want to know any romance subplots or anything to do with missions and stuff. 

[XX55XX]

I've heard that BioWare purposely botched the endings just so that EA wouldn't force them to do any more Mass Effect games. Crazy rumor, I know.

[AgitatedLemon]

Kanmuru wrote...

Because bioware chose to use self determination and independence as basic themes of ME. The relays are the symbol of the reapers (they were made by them and are a key part of their plans) and crutches that need to go away.

Honestly i wouldnt care if they added 1 more ending for you guys but I completely understand the message bioware wanted to give, i just wished you all could too 

Independence? In both ME1+2, you're assembling a team of multi-species crewmen for exceedingly dangerous combat scenarios, while using technology that is not your own. Hardly what I'd call "independent".

"Crutches"? I'm not sure you know the difference between a "crutch" and an improvement to the quality of life.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 03 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[CerberusSoldier]

RazorrX wrote...

Wow they just altered the tos again? I just got it popping up again.

  


they are in damage control now . the sh** is going to explode tuesday and we all know it is . They hid the game from us and now we know why

[HiddenKING]

mass_zotz wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Perfect, so you agree with me that the galaxy isn't ****ed forever. There will be growth, it will be hard but now the galatic comunnity can grow on its own achievments, they might make new relays or discover new methods of fast travel. How is that a bad ending? Imo its a really good one, i prefer independence and self determination over being slaves of alien technology (just like Liara's father, the wisest asari ever)

Independent advancement is going to be PRETTY hard without the ability to quickly travel to other star systems.

"Slave to alien technology"? What? Do you know how common it is today for someone to use a product or appliance made from a foreign country? Just because you're using something made from someone else doesn't mean you can't think for yourself, it just means that someone else beat you to it. Only an idiot would try to beat themselves up by ignoring beneficial technologies developed by another race/species.

Except that none of these foreign technologies are actually death traps set by ancient evil machines lol

This entire bull**** (ME series lol) started BECAUSE of the mass relays, if we didnt found any of them we would all be fine and happy on our own. It was the fact that we got dependand on alien tech instead of finding our ways ( something that Liara's dad realised) that made us vulnerable to the reapers...

And this is why the relays NEED to go, otherwise we wont ever learn anything

OMG, what is wrong with you. We get that you don't want the relays and THAT is perfectly fine, but WHY does this have to be the ending for everyone.

It's not just an ending, it's a new beginning to the Mass Effect Universe. It allows it to grow in a new way, Shepard broke the chain of destruction. Yes the relays are gone, and it allows the Universe to grow in new ways. New Technology, new challenges, new stories, and new characters. There's tons of possibilities now, and it's not bound to follow Shepard and the 2 dozen or so people from the games. It's a bitter ending, but it's a awesome new beginning.

[XX55XX]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Wow they just altered the tos again? I just got it popping up again.

  


they are in damage control now . the sh** is going to explode tuesday and we all know it is . They hid the game from us and now we know why

The only change I can discern is that bans won't impact your access to DLC... Guess they will be handing out tons of bans.