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DJBare wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

lol, nice edit  +1 single malt for you sir

Thank you sir, now I'll let you in on a little secret, you know who the strongest character in Star Trek TNG was in my opinion?, Commander Data, he appears cold and analytical yet hints at caring about his crew mates, the same can be said of Spock, I'd rather keep my emotions intact, but there is something compelling about rising above those emotions.


thats true, both are compeling characters, i was gutted when data gave his life for picardImage IPB

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That sounds about right. Just before ME3 came out I finished watching GiTS 1st & 2nd gig from start to finish Image IPB


Haha yeah I forgot to add
Wave 4: Rinse and repeat lol

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Back in the fray, and with a tummy-ache. :( Anyway, minor ramble incoming (aka. ending thoughts - burnt ochre edition)!

Some of you are probably more familiar with the show Taggart than I am, so forgive any liberties taken in this description. For those who don't know it, it's a Scottish detective show. The older episodes rival Bollywood movies in length -- three hours, give or take for ad breaks. You can imagine what kind of a story they can build in three hours: there are always a hundred things going on, a whole bunch of characters and lots of mystery and convoluted story threads.

And the thing is, I find the endings of these episodes are done really badly. Everything gains momentum in the last fifteen, twenty minutes. The final pieces of the puzzle fall into place and you realise (mostly) why everyone did what they did. The killer goes for his last victim. The police run up just as the would-be victim pushes him away and he stumbles into a ditch, dropping his weapon, a look of horror on his face. BAM. Credits.

The abrupt halt of that momentum throws me off every time. Given how long the episode is already, you'd think they would dedicate more time to the ending. You don't really get post-case-closing congratulatory scenes or visualisation of the police enjoying the pay-off of their work, although that's straightforward enough to mentally extrapolate. What you do get, however, is a story that comes full circle and generally makes sense. May be a crazy-ass story, but still a coherent one. There tend to be a lot of random scenes during the three hours, but in retrospect the vast majority will make sense. There may be room for questions ("why wait until the victim was at work to kill him?") but the biggest questions, the ones that carry the story, are answered.

You know what? That's more than we get from the ending of ME3. And it still makes me throw my hands up in the air.

I didn't sink 150 hours into the story and setting of this episode of Taggart. I didn't have any say in how the story played out. I didn't even pay to experience the story. These things, I did for ME3. That's what makes it a kick in the ovaries.


That's a really good analogy.

It reminds me of how your average Tom Clancy novel (from the height of his career, not his more recent, crappier books) would play out: plot thread after plot thread, seemingly making no sense at the time of their introduction. But then Tom proceeds to weave those disperate threads into a cohesive narrative, a comfortable blanket of a story you can almost lose yourself in. The characters are solid, the circumstances are believable, the buildup to the climax can be quite thrilling, and the payoff really delivers.

And then you get to the last couple of chapters.

Political thrillers were never really my thing until, by pure chance, I was given a used copy of The Sum of All Fears. It was genuinely good and really sucked me in, and the book as a whole was quite memorable. It's probably the only one of his works, save for The Hunt for Red October, that didn't just putter out like a Model T running out of gas. And therein lies the rub with most of his works; they just don't end very well. Two of his novels were particularly noteworthy in this respect: Rainbow Six and Executive Orders (itself a whale of a novel at 1,300+ pages). In the first, the climax is actually quite anti-climactic as the Rainbow team engages in a completely one-sided takedown of the "enemy organization," after which they round up the survivors and proceed to demolish their compound and leave them at the tender mercies of the Amazon jungle. In the second, Tom's pet Mary Sue has a pissing match with a Mideast figurehead during which he threatens a tactical nuclear strike unless some criminals are handed over. Both were really blecch, and both were quite forgettable.

Despite all of that, I would gladly trade the lackluster endgame that is endemic to the Clancy novel for the ending that we got in ME3. Because for whatever his faults as an author, Tom knew how to tie up his plots.

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Goodwood wrote...

*snip*That's a really good analogy.

It reminds me of how your average Tom Clancy novel (from the height of his career, not his more recent, crappier books) would play out: plot thread after plot thread, seemingly making no sense at the time of their introduction. But then Tom proceeds to weave those disperate threads into a cohesive narrative, a comfortable blanket of a story you can almost lose yourself in. The characters are solid, the circumstances are believable, the buildup to the climax can be quite thrilling, and the payoff really delivers.

And then you get to the last couple of chapters.

Political thrillers were never really my thing until, by pure chance, I was given a used copy of The Sum of All Fears. It was genuinely good and really sucked me in, and the book was quite memorable. It's probably the only one of his works, save for The Hunt for Red October, that didn't just putter out like a Model T running out of gas. And therein lies the rub with most of his works; they just don't end very well. Two of his novels were particularly noteworthy in this respect: Rainbow Six and Executive Orders (itself a whale of a novel at 1,300+ pages). In the first, the climax is actually quite anti-climactic as the Rainbow team engages in a completely one-sided takedown of the "enemy organization," after which they round up the survivors and proceed to demolish their compound and leave them at the tender mercies of the Amazon jungle. In the second, Tom's pet Mary Sue has a pissing match with a Mideast figurehead during which he threatens a tactical nuclear strile. Both really blecch, and both quite forgettable.

Despite all of that, I would gladly trade the lackluster endgame that is endemic to the Clancy novel for the ending that we got in ME3. Because for whatever his faults as an author, Tom knew how to tie up his plots.

Good thing for you that if you did have any questions about The Hunt For Red October, we have just the man on this thread to answer you questions Image IPB

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No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

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is there anything very new
or are there any rumors for a change?

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Goodwood wrote...

No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

Mr. Connery did do a fantastic job.

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

Mr. Connery did do a fantastic job.


"I know this book. Your conclusions were all wrong; Halsey acted stupidly."

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DRAGONFIRE50000000 wrote...

is there anything very new
or are there any rumors for a change?

Afraid not but we can always start one if you'd like?

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Phoenix NL wrote...

DRAGONFIRE50000000 wrote...

is there anything very new
or are there any rumors for a change?

Afraid not but we can always start one if you'd like?

Ok: They paid J. K. Rowling to write a new ending for ME series, since she clearly can keep her plot elements together and tie them in the end :wizard:

Modifié par Atrocity, 22 avril 2012 - 11:09 .


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Off-topic question for anyone playing the witcher 2:

Is storing your stuff at an inn safe or will I eventually lose whatever I store?

Thank you and sorry to ask an off topic question.

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the thing is bioware is proud because they would have 75 perfect scores but those who have given those scores what do they know about it, what do they know about the world of mass effect, they haven't lived for it like we do, they don't care about it like we do and that is frustrating because we are the ones that lived for it and the end just destroys it all

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Atrocity wrote...
Ok: They paid J. K. Rowling to write a new ending for ME series, since she clearly can keep her plot elements together and tie them in the end :wizard:


Haha yeah at least J.K. Rowling wrote an epic series from start to finish.....OK now I am in the mood to read Harry Potter lol.

Edit: Quote mishap

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xHezz90 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
Ok: They paid J. K. Rowling to write a new ending for ME series, since she clearly can keep her plot elements together and tie them in the end :wizard:


Haha yeah at least J.K. Rowling wrote an epic series from start to finish.....OK now I am in the mood to read Harry Potter lol.

Edit: Quote mishap


And she can handle... SPACE MAGIC B)
*insert csi miami meme here*

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Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

DRAGONFIRE50000000 wrote...

is there anything very new
or are there any rumors for a change?

Afraid not but we can always start one if you'd like?

Ok: They paid J. K. Rowling to write a new ending for ME series, since she clearly can keep her plot elements together and tie them in the end :wizard:


Which is so sad. Rowling was unemployed living out of her car with her children when she wrote the first Harry Potter. In spite of that she created a well loved and objectively satisfactory series of novels that defined a generation.

Bioware's writers have been in the profession of writing for years upon years, they should have known not to do what they did. It's infuriatingly incongruous!

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Atrocity wrote...

And she can handle... SPACE MAGIC B)
*insert csi miami meme here*


LOL not too sure she could handle space magic, is it even possible to handle space magic? :blink:

But she sure can handle magic, if BioWare really did want magic in there it would have been better to call in an expert :P

Also this :D

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Off-topic question for anyone playing the witcher 2:

Is storing your stuff at an inn safe or will I eventually lose whatever I store?

Thank you and sorry to ask an off topic question.


It's safe and transfers across chapters. Put something in the safe in Flotsam and it will be there still in Chapter 3.

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No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

I've got the DVD, one of his best performances in my opinion, Ramius was a brilliant character, even trumping Jack Ryan which is another favorite character of mine.

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DJBare wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

I've got the DVD, one of his best performances in my opinion, Ramius was a brilliant character, even trumping Jack Ryan which is another favorite character of mine.


"He seems to think you're some sort of cowboy."

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

It's safe and transfers across chapters. Put something in the safe in Flotsam and it will be there still in Chapter 3.


Oh that's great I keep running out of space lol.

Thank you for answering! *hugs*

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football time going to go into ultra-lurk mode,

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Goodwood wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Goodwood wrote...
No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

I've got the DVD, one of his best performances in my opinion, Ramius was a brilliant character, even trumping Jack Ryan which is another favorite character of mine.

"He seems to think you're some sort of cowboy."

That did make me laugh, though the Ramius clearly states the word "buckaroo"; why would Mancuso need translation, I'm british and even I get the meaning.

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Good afternoon everyone !!!

I see same faces here for last 10days or so......
Many ,many people have left the thread ....shame ....

How is everyone today ?
And anything new since yesterday afternoon ?

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DJBare wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Goodwood wrote...
No questions here, actually. I loved the book and the film.

I've got the DVD, one of his best performances in my opinion, Ramius was a brilliant character, even trumping Jack Ryan which is another favorite character of mine.

"He seems to think you're some sort of cowboy."

That did make me laugh, though the Ramius clearly states the word "buckaroo"; why would Mancuso need translation, I'm british and even I get the meaning.


Connery is also very good in Outland .
but i think Golfinger and red october are his best roles plus untoychsbles ...also the untouchsbles are a bit sentimental for me .

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firstarioch wrote...

Good afternoon everyone !!!

I see same faces here for last 10days or so......
Many ,many people have left the thread ....shame ....

How is everyone today ?
And anything new since yesterday afternoon ?


Evening! 

They will be back if the EC DLC is crap like many of us suspect.
I am pretty good thanks, hope you're well?

Nothing new that I know of.