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[Ahms]

What's the sitrep? Where are we at? Life's been keeping me busy. Any interesting developments?

[nitefyre410]

Major Swift wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

I hope CD Projekt's next... uh, project, is a custom IP. I haven't played through either Witcher fully myself, but I do know how they play, and what happens in them. And I like almost everything about it.

If they could release a Bioware-ish game with a custom main character, I'm set to jump on board with whatever they make.

lol yeah i would be too

 

I just finished the Witcher 2 and while its good, rather good in matter of fact. I don't see what everyone was is raveing about.  They  have a much better and unique art style  than Bioware but the story was pretty good nothing to do back flips over.   

A developer thats has been making great RPGs for years know is Altus and they get absolutely no credit at all. 

[MeldarthX]

Computim wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Computim wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

*snipped for length*

I interpret this to mean that since both Synthesis and Control end up with Shepard indoctrinated. The save file doesn't care what path you took to get there.

The code never lies!


I'm add this into my stack I have for my theory - and theory for IT - as they said; the code never lies.....

Hold The Line

NICE FIND!

More than likely it's related to that If you choose Control (We'll call it ending 1 for simplicity, 2 Synthesis, 3 destroy), it then sets a variable saying you chose ending 1.  It then does an IF THEN check (IF Ending == 1) ...etc and then checks your EMS rating... so

IF (Ending == 3)
{
          IF (EMS > 4000)
          {
                      ShowMovie(DestroyBreathEndingMovie);   
          }

}

I suspect that's all there is in this case... it just once again shows that if you choose anything but destroy you're getting the same ending save a couple other characters coming out at the end.

Destroy, if it's true EDI doesn't come out, probably just factors into that condition statement.

Nope - doesn't have to do with EDI coming out or if you get shepard breathing - if you follow the thread - they checked that.......this check happens on all endings but only becomes checkmarked on destroy - doesn't matter your EMS - its checkmarked.

...I guess I've just become Cynical.. I doubt Bioware PLANNED all this haha.

If you've listened from the beginning like that I have - everything that's come from BW - all the different tweets - they did.......they planned this - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they planned for it - Look at Casey's statement of polarising their fans -

What they weren't expecting is how many and how quickly people got together to say - this ending sucks.  They thought they'd have until end of April - May time frame to finish to full endings and release them for free.

The plan didn't work out - more and more details come out -

As its seen  - the code doesn't lie

[Phoenix NL]

Major Swift wrote...

@Phoenix, was wondering who was going to do it lol, had it copied and ready to paste just in case it looked like no one was going to post it

Well I think you and Tami both deserve a cupcake for your dedication!

[TamiBx]

firstarioch wrote...

Reply to Phoenix and all Witcher fans

I'm polish myself .I never liked sapkowski and his copycat books . I never bought into the hype even when I lived in Poland years ago ....
It's a copy of Moork****'s eternal champion and Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series .
Both mentioned above are head over heals better literature than witcher ever will be .
And as good as witcher game is is not even close to any bioware games .not even in the same league .
Bioware games are unique and beyond anything in the market . We are all pissed off about that ending but as I said many times before .
I don't want Bioware to go out if business...never
All I want is them to listen to us and respect us .as we are the Bioware army .the Kamikaze of Bioware .the last line of fanatical supporters ....without us they will struggle ...
But we need to stay with them....and excert pressure .

I love Bioware's games and I trusted them to make the best games until this ending...but I have faith they will fix it somehow...I hope 

[HITMAN629]

TamiBx wrote...

Hmm...You don't get my main point: I don't like being forced into it. If the game doesn't give me the option, I won't play it. Period. 

It's...a girl's thing. When you are a guy and 90% of the games are made for you, it is easy to say that. When you are a girl, and you want to play as one and you can't...well, it sucks. That's why I like Bioware: they understand both sides. 

Sorry but you are never going to convince me to play the Witcher 2. I could do it but I would never get into it. 


P.S. non-human characters are different; it's a squirrel. I won't role play a squirrel...you might, but I'm not. 

Fair enough, I guess its just something I dont get. In any case enjoyable debate, I wont derail the threads main topic any longer

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TamiBx wrote...



I love Bioware's games and I trusted them to make the best games until this ending...but I have faith they will fix it somehow...I hope 

Hope is a candle http://www.youtube.c...h?v=i6LGJ7evrAg ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>

[TamiBx]

MeldarthX wrote...


If you've listened from the beginning like that I have - everything that's come from BW - all the different tweets - they did.......they planned this - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they planned for it - Look at Casey's statement of polarising their fans -

What they weren't expecting is how many and how quickly people got together to say - this ending sucks.  They thought they'd have until end of April - May time frame to finish to full endings and release them for free.

The plan didn't work out - more and more details come out -

As its seen  - the code doesn't lie

I would love to believe this, but I also think that it can be for a ME4 or some spin off...

[Gardner295]

TamiBx wrote...

Hmm...You don't get my main point: I don't like being forced into it. If the game doesn't give me the option, I won't play it. Period. 

It's...a girl's thing. When you are a guy and 90% of the games are made for you, it is easy to say that. When you are a girl, and you want to play as one and you can't...well, it sucks. That's why I like Bioware: they understand both sides. 

Sorry but you are never going to convince me to play the Witcher 2. I could do it but I would never get into it. 


P.S. non-human characters are different; it's a squirrel. I won't role play a squirrel...you might, but I'm not. 

It's not just a girl's thing, ya know  I hate RPG-like games where customization is limited. Correction:
I hate 3rd person games where customization is limited.

[Phoenix NL]

MeldarthX wrote...

*snip*If you've listened from the beginning like that I have - everything that's come from BW - all the different tweets - they did.......they planned this - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they planned for it - Look at Casey's statement of polarising their fans -

What they weren't expecting is how many and how quickly people got together to say - this ending sucks.  They thought they'd have until end of April - May time frame to finish to full endings and release them for free.

The plan didn't work out - more and more details come out -

As its seen  - the code doesn't lie

It would be amazing if this wasn't the real ending but aside from some rather ambiguous tweets, what proof is there really to back it up? Seriously I would be over the moon (assuming it was good) if they released the "true" ending but I'm going to wait until we have something concrete to go on.

[TamiBx]

Gardner295 wrote...

It's not just a girl's thing, ya know  I hate RPG-like games where customization is limited. Correction:
I hate 3rd person games where customization is limited.

Haha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like pre-made characters to play...(not like Shepard, but more like Resident Evil's characters) 


So, I really hope Bioware goes back to being awesome, because I seriously think they are the only  ones that make the best character customization with a strong plot/story... 

Modifié par TamiBx, 22 avril 2012 - 09:00 .

[Shinobu]

Computim wrote...

 Ahh I see!  Apologies if you felt like it was directed entirely at you.  To be clear there does seem to be some sort of authority demographic on a couple of the other groups.  I DID feel that this was a bit more consensus of the people sorta thing which is why I said I'd be happy to advertise it around..  You just were the talking head that appeared to speak on behalf of HTL which is why I made the statements haha.  If it makes you feel better I was the one who accidentally posted the Electronic Arts press release about the Extended Cut and got the same response assuming I was somehow working for Bioware... my phone barely survived the incident haha (My apologies again on that.. you'd think I'd have learnt)

Avoiding BSN for YOU is not hard.. A lot of us here don't even HAVE HTL accounts so it's a complete blackout for some of us.

No worries! I was a bit taken aback, but it's a simple misunderstanding. I'm not much into the politics of the movement. Actually, while I was out of commission I only checked HTL twice in six days. Yes, it felt bad, but you know what, it turned out okay. Stepping away also gave me a bit of peace of mind as well. Also, you don't need an account to browse the HTL forums.

Computim wrote...
Part of my personal self-appointed responsibility, and that of everyone else on here is to ensure that our front line response remains civil, be that though simply answering questions, offering suggestions or polite criticism, or simply asking a fellow member to tone it down on Twitter...etc.  It's somewhat a point of movement pride that our main topic, the start of all of this, on Bioware's own forums, is a civil discussion.  I've had some Twitter and PMs on here from individuals working for Bioware saying they were quite proud of the community's staying civil on here.  Us simply abandoning our posts here doesn't help further that goal and it's something I, frankly, won't do.  No offence intended, I just feel that my responsibility to the BSN face of the movement is more important than this event.  I hope to take part in the Single Player On/Off event though!

The vast majority of this movement, HTL included are incredible people.  Whenever you get this much publicity, people and, frankly, power in one location someone always tries to take charge.. it's human nature.  We just need to be very careful not to fall into that.   When that happens certain opinions are considered more important than others...

There's a reason EVERYONE on here referred to each other as "Commander" to start with.  It was a symbolic show that -everyone- was the same rank, (Of course that of Commander Shepard), that everyone's opinion mattered as much as everyone else's and that no one had any more right than anyone else to say something.  If I'm happy with what I'm getting than that's perfectly valid for me, no one has the right to tell me I shouldn't be happy.  On the flip side, if someone's NOT happy with what they're given I have no right to tell them they should be either.  Both sides can offer reasons why, but when it comes down to it neither side is wrong, and neither side has any right to force the other side to think as they do.

If I don't feel I need to do any more than I'm doing now that's MY right.. I'm happy with what I've been told Bioware's providing.. it's not perfect but it's a LOT better than what we got and I, personally, feel it will give me what I was looking for in the game's ending.

Good luck to you!  

I agree. I try to stay calm and play nicely with others. I've even made some angry arguers into frenemies that way. Part of the design of the campaign was that people could choose to take part in whatever phase they personally agreed with, although for full effect it is best if everyone takes part in both days. For example, people who have decided they will never buy from Bioware no matter what can keep their game off both days, but because they never log in, they are never counted and so are "lost data" which just is a way of saying they will have no effect. People who play both days also will have no effect because they will be part of the "background." It's only by providing a contrast between days 1 and 2 that a departure from the "norm" can be seen.

Part of this is a morale boost for the movement, because it's easy to think that nothing is happening and the movement is stagnating/disbanding. Through doing this I've met some great people and it's rekindled my hope that something good can come out of this whole situation. Trying feels better to me than waiting did, so I invite all of you to take part and feel hopeful.

Anyway, thank you for your polite attention!

[Phoenix NL]

TamiBx wrote...

Gardner295 wrote...

It's not just a girl's thing, ya know  I hate RPG-like games where customization is limited. Correction:
I hate 3rd person games where customization is limited.

Haha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like pre-made characters to play...(not like Shepard, but more like Resident Evil's characters) 


So, I really hope Bioware goes back to being awesome, because I seriously think they are the only  ones that make the best character customization with a strong plot/story... 

I think it's quite indicative of how much I love BioWare that all of their games have a permanent place next to my Xbox while the others get relegated to the shelf with the other games.

[Gardner295]

TamiBx wrote...

Gardner295 wrote...

It's not just a girl's thing, ya know  I hate RPG-like games where customization is limited. Correction:
I hate 3rd person games where customization is limited.

Haha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like pre-made characters to play...(not like Shepard, but more like Resident Evil's characters) 


So, I really hope Bioware goes back to being awesome, because I seriously think they are the only  ones that make the best character customization with a strong plot/story... 

Eh...BW made a heck of a mess here...they do need a miracle to save the franchise if they're not gonna change the ending...

[Shinobu]

Phoenix NL wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

*snip*If you've listened from the beginning like that I have - everything that's come from BW - all the different tweets - they did.......they planned this - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they planned for it - Look at Casey's statement of polarising their fans -

What they weren't expecting is how many and how quickly people got together to say - this ending sucks.  They thought they'd have until end of April - May time frame to finish to full endings and release them for free.

The plan didn't work out - more and more details come out -

As its seen  - the code doesn't lie

It would be amazing if this wasn't the real ending but aside from some rather ambiguous tweets, what proof is there really to back it up? Seriously I would be over the moon (assuming it was good) if they released the "true" ending but I'm going to wait until we have something concrete to go on.

I wish this were true and I believed it at one time, but I think they would have 'fessed up by now if it were just a "Ha, ha, we got your real ending here" deal. The tweets and "hints" are so incongruous with the PR machine output that I'm not sure what to believe at this point. That's why I'm hedging my bets and giving them a nudge.

[HITMAN629]

Gardner295 wrote...

Eh...BW made a heck of a mess here...they do need a miracle to save the franchise if they're not gonna change the ending...

Yes, they do. I have never seen this much backlash over a game. The fact have they have to release dlc for the ending should speak for how poor it is.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

People who still believe the "true ending" is out there still are getting into moon landing conspiracy territory now... Continued deception of this scale is pointless and increasingly hard to keep up, they may have planned to give more epilogue in the future but not in this timescale and scale



And no "But the moon landings were faked!" posts

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 22 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[g_bassi13]

Shinobu wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

1) Would you really be suprised by the bolded at this point? lol. All the dialogue here is poor, looking for a deeper meaning in poor writing is a fool's game.

2)Questioning him serves no purpose if Shepard still flings herself at her death. I don't need to simply need to mention the Geth/Quarian peace, I need it to mean something. Why bother challenging him if you're not going to win. It serves no purpose but to frustrate you when you hear more of star kids crap as to why you're still wrong

3) I don't want to see how they picked up my ground crew. Or why they ran away from that matter. I don't care what explanation they're making up for it now that people think it's stupid. There is no legitimate one.

4) For them to exploit that stupid Shepard breathes Easter Egg in the rubble would be a cop out...

In fact, simply changing the dialogue and perhaps the meanings of the 3 choices is itself a total cop out. There is no "fleshing it out". It is broken. It will remain broken. Keep the endings purely as is, and there's nothing there to salvage. They're wasting both their time and our time with that crap.

The only way extra dialogue works is if it supplements the creation of that fourth "I aint listenin' to you" option.

I personally am pessimistic that "clarity only" will be satisfyling, but feel that if all the writers put their heads together they may be able to produce something satisfying.  They did create Tuchanka after all. I'm still hedging my bets with the campaign, though.

I hope that as a group then that they can move past the 3 choices. Because I stand by what I said about it being unfixable under those circumstances. You can throw as many people as you want at the problem, it wouldn't help. If they're simply sitting around writing ways to "expand" and "clarify", you know that's nor going to work.

And if they're using dialogue and cutscenes to retcon 1 or more of their endings, then I'd call BS on that too. If you're going to turn around and change the meaning of the ending, at least do it properly. Otherwise it's just a cheap, low effort way for them to make up something and say "That's what we intended all along!". Without really fixing anything at all.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 22 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Computim]

Shinobu wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

*snip*If you've listened from the beginning like that I have - everything that's come from BW - all the different tweets - they did.......they planned this - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they planned for it - Look at Casey's statement of polarising their fans -

What they weren't expecting is how many and how quickly people got together to say - this ending sucks.  They thought they'd have until end of April - May time frame to finish to full endings and release them for free.

The plan didn't work out - more and more details come out -

As its seen  - the code doesn't lie

It would be amazing if this wasn't the real ending but aside from some rather ambiguous tweets, what proof is there really to back it up? Seriously I would be over the moon (assuming it was good) if they released the "true" ending but I'm going to wait until we have something concrete to go on.

I wish this were true and I believed it at one time, but I think they would have 'fessed up by now if it were just a "Ha, ha, we got your real ending here" deal. The tweets and "hints" are so incongruous with the PR machine output that I'm not sure what to believe at this point. That's why I'm hedging my bets and giving them a nudge.

Yeah, speaking as a developer by career, I routinely put in code PLANNING for someone to give me something later to add in..  My 'joke' among coworkers is "Plan for what you know they'll need, and just make them what they say they want.. just be ready to put the rest in when they realize they wanted what you planned".... in this case I suspect they were PLANNING a lot more elaborate ending, a large IT one, or at the very least more than red green blue placeholder ending.  I think they ran out of time though, so the code got left in, and the endings didn't change.

They may have PLANNED to have a better ending, I don't think they planned to release it afterwards though, I think they just dropped it when they ran out of time unfortunately.

[Phoenix NL]

Shinobu wrote...

Computim wrote...
Part of my personal self-appointed responsibility, and that of everyone else on here is to ensure that our front line response remains civil, be that though simply answering questions, offering suggestions or polite criticism, or simply asking a fellow member to tone it down on Twitter...etc.  It's somewhat a point of movement pride that our main topic, the start of all of this, on Bioware's own forums, is a civil discussion.  I've had some Twitter and PMs on here from individuals working for Bioware saying they were quite proud of the community's staying civil on here.  Us simply abandoning our posts here doesn't help further that goal and it's something I, frankly, won't do.  No offence intended, I just feel that my responsibility to the BSN face of the movement is more important than this event.  I hope to take part in the Single Player On/Off event though!
*snip*

I agree. I try to stay calm and play nicely with others. I've even made some angry arguers into frenemies that way. Part of the design of the campaign was that people could choose to take part in whatever phase they personally agreed with, although for full effect it is best if everyone takes part in both days. For example, people who have decided they will never buy from Bioware no matter what can keep their game off both days, but because they never log in, they are never counted and so are "lost data" which just is a way of saying they will have no effect. People who play both days also will have no effect because they will be part of the "background." It's only by providing a contrast between days 1 and 2 that a departure from the "norm" can be seen.

Part of this is a morale boost for the movement, because it's easy to think that nothing is happening and the movement is stagnating/disbanding. Through doing this I've met some great people and it's rekindled my hope that something good can come out of this whole situation. Trying feels better to me than waiting did, so I invite all of you to take part and feel hopeful.
Anyway, thank you for your polite attention!

I'm going to agree with Computim here. While I certainly don't overestimate the importance, or lack thereof, of my presence and contributions on this thread I will continue trying to help keep the thread civil and provide moral support to my fellow line holders.

[Phoenix NL]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

People who still believe the "true ending" is out there still are getting into moon landing conspiracy territory now... Continued deception of this scale is pointless and increasingly hard to keep up, they may have planned to give more epilogue in the future but not in this timescale and scale
And no "But the moon landings were faked!" posts

I have to agree, I don't see how they could have kept up the lie for this length of time while they were under this amount of pressure.

[Computim]

Phoenix NL wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

People who still believe the "true ending" is out there still are getting into moon landing conspiracy territory now... Continued deception of this scale is pointless and increasingly hard to keep up, they may have planned to give more epilogue in the future but not in this timescale and scale
And no "But the moon landings were faked!" posts

I have to agree, I don't see how they could have kept up the lie for this length of time while they were under this amount of pressure.

The moon landings weren't faked!  How else would they have gotten the transformers stuff?! *falls over laughing*

[HITMAN629]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

People who still believe the "true ending" is out there still are getting into moon landing conspiracy territory now... Continued deception of this scale is pointless and increasingly hard to keep up, they may have planned to give more epilogue in the future but not in this timescale and scale



And no "But the moon landings were faked!" posts

But the true ending is still out there, its called fanfic & mods

[Phoenix NL]

HITMAN629 wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

People who still believe the "true ending" is out there still are getting into moon landing conspiracy territory now... Continued deception of this scale is pointless and increasingly hard to keep up, they may have planned to give more epilogue in the future but not in this timescale and scale



And no "But the moon landings were faked!" posts

But the true ending is still out there, its called fanfic & mods

And then you can never play ME3 again because you modded it and Origin doesn't like that.

[Laterali]

Just saw this on mass effect's twitter.

http://twitter.com/#...9595264/photo/1

Tali & Shepard on Rannoch.