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[AkiKishi]

Hyrist wrote...

 I just want to point out something here...

You were never entitled to the ending you wanted - ever. Complaining that you're not getting the ending you want is self-entitlement in its worst form.

You were sold on the idea of choice and consequence. There ARE conequences to the choices you made - not all of them, especially ones of struggles on such a grand scale, are ever going to turn out exactly the way you want.

This "But it's fantasy,  I deserve to get my happy ending because real life sucks and I can't get any gratification there." is a red herring. Bioware is not responsible for your life, or the fact that you can't seem to be happy with the real world. What they are responsible for is creating an engaging piece of fiction. And the fact that the leaked endings is causing such an uproar tells me personally that victory is accomplished. It's about damned time an RPG or any game created endings that weren't always "Best ending = Good Guys win and everyone celibrates." I haven't had such a satasfying concept for endings since Drakkenguard 1. (For those that don't know, the FIRST ending was Canon ending, and it was sad. And the rest of the 'unlocked' endings got progressively more twisted and warped, right down to canibalistic babies with teeth eating people and a twisted game of Simon with a giant nude woman in the streets of Tokyo. It was the virtual opposite of the typical "work for your best ending" trope.)

You're not entitled to squat. Not all fiction has to end happily, not all fiction SHOULD end happily. I'm glad that this ending keeps the gravity of the situation in mind, and understand that sometimes, real, hard sacrafices are needed to win, or even to just survive.

Seriously the only thing that could make this better for me is if Bioware comes out with the 'ending you wanted' DLC and forces you to pay for it. I'll take the endings as is and enjoy them, because these tears are just delicious.

Quite true although I did get the ending I wanted and in a game with a single ending I'd agree with you.

However the game has a lot of endings, not only does the variety upset some people when it really does not need to be the case, but it also cheapens the players contribution in an unnaceptable way.

If I spend 5 hours collecting and and accumulating GR I want it to mean something beyond a different flavour of ****sandwich.

I don't get why you enjoy the suffering of other people ,but whatever takes allsorts to make a world.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 28 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[What?]

Badpie wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

I'm not asking for an ending where I ride off into the sunset astride a unicorn, over a rainbow with my love-interest, singing songs about joy, glitter, and peace, and other fuzzy, heartwarming things. I'd genuinely be satisfied with an ending where Shepard destroys the Reapers and their technology, loses several planets and countless people, and finds himself stranded with his friends. On a bleak little planet amidst wreckage, huddled with his crew. They're stuck, in the middle of a Neo-Dark Age, but he's not alone. They're still screwed, but he's not alone. That'd be fine with me.

This.  I love how wanting something not wholly depressing and soul crushing means you want a fairytale.  That's not true. I'd simply be happy with some semblence of "Things suck for Shepard, but at least he's not alone."

Again, the more I think about this the more skeptical I am that this is the full story.  I'm guessing at best some of this info is "mostly" accurate.

Precisely. I think a lot of the people--myself included--who want "happy" endings aren't essentially looking for something like Shepard returning to an apartment somewhere and flipping on the television to celebrations in the street. Just something that offers a little more solace than "he died bravely" or "he sacrificed everything for the galaxy". After all, nobody wants to die alone.

[AkiKishi]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Badpie wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

I'm not asking for an ending where I ride off into the sunset astride a unicorn, over a rainbow with my love-interest, singing songs about joy, glitter, and peace, and other fuzzy, heartwarming things. I'd genuinely be satisfied with an ending where Shepard destroys the Reapers and their technology, loses several planets and countless people, and finds himself stranded with his friends. On a bleak little planet amidst wreckage, huddled with his crew. They're stuck, in the middle of a Neo-Dark Age, but he's not alone. They're still screwed, but he's not alone. That'd be fine with me.

This.  I love how wanting something not wholly depressing and soul crushing means you want a fairytale.  That's not true. I'd simply be happy with some semblence of "Things suck for Shepard, but at least he's not alone."

Again, the more I think about this the more skeptical I am that this is the full story.  I'm guessing at best some of this info is "mostly" accurate.

Precisely. I think a lot of the people--myself included--who want "happy" endings aren't essentially looking for something like Shepard returning to an apartment somewhere and flipping on the television to celebrations in the street. Just something that offers a little more solace than "he died bravely" or "he sacrificed everything for the galaxy". After all, nobody wants to die alone.

We've had the Christopher Pike ending, now we get the James T Kirk ending..

[CerberusSoldier]

Squallypo wrote...

i havent read anything at all cause i dont want *spoilers* although im very aware that im on the spoiler area, but my simple question is, no matter what choices we made on previous ME games in the end the result is the same? we get only 1 ending and thats it?

  

well since you don't want spoilers I can't say 

[Huyna]

Hyrist wrote...

. And the fact that the leaked endings is
causing such an uproar tells me personally that victory is accomplished.
It's about damned time an RPG or any game created endings that weren't
always "Best ending = Good Guys win and everyone celibrates."

/skiped/

You're
not entitled to squat. Not all fiction has to end happily, not all
fiction SHOULD end happily. I'm glad that this ending keeps the gravity
of the situation in mind, and understand that sometimes, real, hard
sacrafices are needed to win, or even to just survive.

Drakengard 1 was a first installment of the series. Mass effect 3 is a final chapter of
long sci-fi story. Like, for example, Baldur’s Gate series. BG-series also
supported save import. So you could finish the last game installment (Throne of
Baal) with you character. And the ending… well, it was great. We could choose
to become a god. Or remain mortal. Stay with our loved one. It was up to us.
And, in the end, we got small epilogue for every party member, which become
close to us.  Somehow, developer decided to do that, instead of locking them inside some pocket dimension or "planet".

Next. Tell me, do you believe that player can at least be provided with opportunity to earn a
"happy ending"? Make it really hard, make it extremely challenging,
but for godsake give player a chance. Freedom of choice is one of the basics of
RPG genre, no? Do not rob player of opportunity.  It;s like DA2 quest regarding Hawk mother. Forced, linear, tragedy that can not be avoided. Ha!
For example, in the very same BG2 there were a long and hard quest, dedicated to search for cure against vampirism for your LI. Completely optinal. Not critical for story line. Hell, you could leave your LI's body to rot. But playes wanted to save, cause they cared, cause they knew - there is a way.

Modifié par Huyna, 28 février 2012 - 10:16 .

[Capeo]

Another thing that is worrying me is that the guy who says he played it is insisting it's not possible to get the "best" ending without playing MP or the ios because the max readiness you get from the SP game is not enough.

[TheGunheart]

When is Hyrist saying all fiction needs to have a sad ending, they're just saying having it every now and then is a refreshing and daring change from the norm.

Refreshing? I can't even remember the last game that didn't have a "downer" ending. I was shocked when I played Old World Blues and found it didn't end poorly for everyone involved.

[TheSwex]

I read the endings in the leaked script. Nowhere in there does it mention stranding the crew. SPOILERS:

Shepard destroys/controls/becomes one with reapers. Earth is ok/destroyed/devestated. Shepard lives/dies.

[Geirahod]

Hyrist wrote...

 I just want to point out something here...

You were never entitled to the ending you wanted - ever. Complaining that you're not getting the ending you want is self-entitlement in its worst form.

You were sold on the idea of choice and consequence. There ARE conequences to the choices you made - not all of them, especially ones of struggles on such a grand scale, are ever going to turn out exactly the way you want.

This "But it's fantasy,  I deserve to get my happy ending because real life sucks and I can't get any gratification there." is a red herring. Bioware is not responsible for your life, or the fact that you can't seem to be happy with the real world. What they are responsible for is creating an engaging piece of fiction. And the fact that the leaked endings is causing such an uproar tells me personally that victory is accomplished. It's about damned time an RPG or any game created endings that weren't always "Best ending = Good Guys win and everyone celibrates." I haven't had such a satasfying concept for endings since Drakkenguard 1. (For those that don't know, the FIRST ending was Canon ending, and it was sad. And the rest of the 'unlocked' endings got progressively more twisted and warped, right down to canibalistic babies with teeth eating people and a twisted game of Simon with a giant nude woman in the streets of Tokyo. It was the virtual opposite of the typical "work for your best ending" trope.)

You're not entitled to squat. Not all fiction has to end happily, not all fiction SHOULD end happily. I'm glad that this ending keeps the gravity of the situation in mind, and understand that sometimes, real, hard sacrafices are needed to win, or even to just survive.

Seriously the only thing that could make this better for me is if Bioware comes out with the 'ending you wanted' DLC and forces you to pay for it. I'll take the endings as is and enjoy them, because these tears are just delicious.

This is not true, happy endings were possible in ME2, you just had to work hard to get the resources to make upgrades for the ship and your crewmembers.
So your argument is totally invalid.

As you say that "not all fiction has to end happily" that's incorrect again, because the games are based on choices, if you played as paragon through 2 games, your choices should be rewarded and you should get at least the option to have a "normal" ending, because we're not stupid...we all know that in a war people dies, but if you try harder you can save at least your squaddies (that at this point, are your family) and live to tell the history.

I'm growing tired of people under saying that we're stupid or crazy for wanting to get an ending where your crew survives.

[CerberusSoldier]

scotkrow wrote...

Now I'm on lunch and can take time to write out my entire thoughts on this.
1. This is all speculation. Based on things from months ago and one guy who is very possibly and in all likely hood pulling your legs.

2. You are all treating this like fact, stop and think, do you really think the Mass Effect bioware team is that stupid? (Additional point for people comparing DA:O and DAII, they are a different branch with different writers)

3. Does anyone think it just might be possible, that the "leaked script" is a fake, and that this guy who apparently got the space edition and rushed through might have, oh I don't know... rushed through, and gotten a set of end choices that didn't include the happiest ending because he hadn't made the optimal choices.

4. And this "leaked" strategy guide... why can't this be either a troller, or a fake that was purposefully leaked by bioware. I don't think leaking fake material is above their abilities, they even had it in ME2, someone on Noveria had a fake schematic leaked to them in order to bust them.

5. I will laugh if all of this stupidity you all are drinking up like a parched man in the desert is one big joke by EA, that they are doing to get hype for Bioware later.

Feel free to defend the **** stains who are spreading these disingenuous rumors, the money grubbers EA who unfortunately own bioware. Feel free to **** and moan, but please for the sake of human intelligence... stop and think for a moment before you continue to do so.

    




This has been backed up by someone who has played the game and has beaten . Its not our faught . They have hide the fact that game is utterly pointless because the ending is garbage no matter what you do in the game .

[Arch1eviathan]

TheSwex wrote...

I read the endings in the leaked script. Nowhere in there does it mention stranding the crew. SPOILERS:

Shepard destroys/controls/becomes one with reapers. Earth is ok/destroyed/devestated. Shepard lives/dies.

I've been wondering the same thing. I can't believe I forgot to ask this.

[AkiKishi]

Capeo wrote...

Another thing that is worrying me is that the guy who says he played it is insisting it's not possible to get the "best" ending without playing MP or the ios because the max readiness you get from the SP game is not enough.

If you are short the points from From the Ashes that's going to be a fun one.

[Ianamus]

scotkrow wrote...

When is Hyrist saying all fiction needs to have a sad ending, they're just saying having it every now and then is a refreshing and daring change from the norm.

That part wasn't directed at him specifically, only the whole mentality that people can't complain that ME3 has no remotely "happy" ending

[AgitatedLemon]

All 3 of these endings are crap. None of them are "bittersweet", they're all bad. You're making a choice between 1 bad thing (The Reapers killing everybody) and another bad thing (Technology being set back to the dark ages, Shepard sacrificing himself, etc).

I could give less of a damn about realism (I'm playing a video game where magic space rocks give people super powers). As long as the option exists to attain a "happy" ending exists, I will be satisfied.

That's what Mass Effect is built upon, right? Decision-making and choices? If the choices you make don't count for a damn thing, why bother?

[TheSwex]

Now that I've calmed and thought on it, I think the leaked stuff is BS. The script is real. The "no matter what you do, everyone gets stranded and dies" is BS.

[scotkrow]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

scotkrow wrote...

Now I'm on lunch and can take time to write out my entire thoughts on this.
1. This is all speculation. Based on things from months ago and one guy who is very possibly and in all likely hood pulling your legs.

2. You are all treating this like fact, stop and think, do you really think the Mass Effect bioware team is that stupid? (Additional point for people comparing DA:O and DAII, they are a different branch with different writers)

3. Does anyone think it just might be possible, that the "leaked script" is a fake, and that this guy who apparently got the space edition and rushed through might have, oh I don't know... rushed through, and gotten a set of end choices that didn't include the happiest ending because he hadn't made the optimal choices.

4. And this "leaked" strategy guide... why can't this be either a troller, or a fake that was purposefully leaked by bioware. I don't think leaking fake material is above their abilities, they even had it in ME2, someone on Noveria had a fake schematic leaked to them in order to bust them.

5. I will laugh if all of this stupidity you all are drinking up like a parched man in the desert is one big joke by EA, that they are doing to get hype for Bioware later.

Feel free to defend the **** (fecal) stains who are spreading these disingenuous rumors, the money grubbers EA who unfortunately own bioware. Feel free to **** (complain like a female dog in heat) and moan, but please for the sake of human intelligence... stop and think for a moment before you continue to do so.

    




This has been backed up by someone who has played the game and has beaten . Its not our faught . They have hide the fact that game is utterly pointless because the ending is garbage no matter what you do in the game .

I request a true responce to my well thought out statment and point you to number 3.  Read it again **** cakes.

Modifié par scotkrow, 28 février 2012 - 10:21 .

[scotkrow]

TheSwex wrote...

Now that I've calmed and thought on it, I think the leaked stuff is BS. The script is real. The "no matter what you do, everyone gets stranded and dies" is BS.

I love it when people actually think and come to rational conclusion.  YAY!!!

[TheSwex]

Bioware would alienate every one of their fans if every ending was a bad one. Doubt they wanna do that.

[scotkrow]

Like I've said 100 times it feels like (probably more like 15) the guy who "played the space edition already, is likely trolling, or has their skull stuffed with fecal matter for brains.

[AgitatedLemon]

TheSwex wrote...

Bioware would alienate every one of their fans if every ending was a bad one. Doubt they wanna do that.

Every ending *is* a bad one, depending on how you see it.

[CerberusSoldier]

TheSwex wrote...

Now that I've calmed and thought on it, I think the leaked stuff is BS. The script is real. The "no matter what you do, everyone gets stranded and dies" is BS.

  


No its real the SR 2 and her crew are not part of the final ending because Shepard is on the Citadel which for some dumb reason is close to earth .

[ratzerman]

Rakia Time wrote...

think about it, why would a company that obviously loves money do something as stupid as this and ****** off the paying custumer? in which screwed up galaxy is that a good idea?

You would think they'd have learned their lesson after DA2, but I guess not.

[Prometheus75]

I just have this bad feeling ME3 is going to be loaded with goatse sized plot holes. I hope I am wrong though.

[scotkrow]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Now that I've calmed and thought on it, I think the leaked stuff is BS. The script is real. The "no matter what you do, everyone gets stranded and dies" is BS.

  


No its real the SR 2 and her crew are not part of the final ending because Shepard is on the Citadel which for some dumb reason is close to earth .

Dude, shutup.  ferme ton bouche, shut your mouth, zip it.  This all sounds too much like a giant troll fest.  There is no way that the best ending is the normandy is stranded, any leaked script, or people claiming to have played the game all the wyathrough alreayd, is complete and utter BS.

Just cause Shepard isn't on the SR2 doesn't mean the SR2 isn't with the citedal.

Modifié par scotkrow, 28 février 2012 - 10:33 .