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#90826
g_bassi13

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Laterali wrote...

I love that excuse, " We wanted people to use their own interpretations."

So the hours I spent reading codex's, reading the planet descriptions, talking to every NPC over the course of 3 games. The first time I played ME1, it was almost 100 hours. And then they end it all with a mirror and a, You decide" mentality?

Imagine if you're watching the LOTR movies, and at the very end, right when everything is at it's worst, and the ring is melting in the lava, it ends. You don't know if Aragorn and the other survived. Frodo and Sam are stuck in an active volcano. As far as you know, everyone just died.

Can you imagine if they came out and were like, we wanted you guys to make up your own ending.

The "leave it to your interpretation" explanation is a cop out. They either ran out of time, money, or they were on lsd, (which would actually account for the colorful explosions.) What a lame ass excuse. Quoting Wrex quoting that asari, 'Better luck next time."

It's prehaps a bit worse than that. It's as if all paths back to minis tirith have collapsed. And you do get to see Frodo get engulfed by the lava, while the rest of the fellowship begins to run away without bothering to find out what had just happened.

But yeah, the open for interpretation ending fails hard in two regards in my opinion. One (your point) being that a series like this needs to end on a defeinitive heroic statement, which it fails to provide.

The second being that they gave us enough information that there is a definitive purpose to it. We can't pretend it didn't happen. We saw the citadel explode, Shepard die, the relays explode, and the Normandy crash land on some random planet. When you ask people to fill in the blanks given this information, they are going to use logic to do it. You'll get this; "The galactic armada is stranded with little hope of getting home. The Quarians and Turians will starve to death due to biological incompatability. The rest will ravage an earth not ready to support them, where they will all die. That is of course assuming the entire solar system didn't wipe out due to the supernova from the relay that was supposed to happen." Or other such miserable crap.

What we'll likely get from this DLC will be a response from Bioware akin to; "No, no, no... You weren't supposed to fill in the blanks with logic. You were supposed to fill them with more space magic and metaphors. I guess we have to do everything for you idiots."

Modifié par g_bassi13, 25 avril 2012 - 04:29 .


#90827
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DJBare wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
New article:
http://www.goozernat...l-worth-playing
Edit: Once again the author mistakenly says "change" instead of "clarify".

I suspect he got this bit right.

Furthermore, I think with all this controversy surrounding Bioware and
the Mass Effect series, this should make gamers want to play the game
more. For those gamers who had no interest in the series, they are now
asking themselves, what is it about this game that is making everyone so
bent out of shape?

If that was true, that would be reflected in the sales, would it not? The uncharacteristically steep fall off in those numbers, and surplus stock of unshipped games would indicate that all this criticism has scared potential customers off.

#90828
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God I love seeing their numbers fall... I know I know casey is probably still getting paid.. and this only hurts the middle guys but still.

TAKE THAT!!!

Now give us a good "extended crap" dlc or kiss your customers... at least alot of us goodbye.

#90829
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Headcount wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

New article:

http://www.goozernat...l-worth-playing

Edit: Once again the author mistakenly says "change" instead of "clarify".

Though it could be a delibirate choice, reflecting what he thinks will be in the DLC. Since the description was so vague I could probably say it's actually a trade contract with a straight face.


They still might change the endings and do it by saying the EC opened new "story opportunties".  I seen it used before by other TPTB wishing to avoid the appearance of caving before fan pressure.

That's always a possibility.

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www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/04/25/mass-effect-3-fans-stage-onoff-campaign/

From page 2 of the article.....

One way or another, it’s interesting – and I think healthy
to see this sort of consumer involvement in a product. It may be bitter
gruel for the folks at BioWare and EA, but there’s a sweetness to it if
you look closely enough.
Few companies command such fan loyalty or passion, after all.
Think about it – this whole controversy is unique. Did Bank of
America customers react to debit card fees by mentioning over and over
again how badly they wanted to remain Bank of America customers? Did
they ever describe themselves as fans of the bank?
Of course not.



#90831
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DJBare wrote...

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/04/25/mass-effect-3-fans-stage-onoff-campaign/

From page 2 of the article.....

One way or another, it’s interesting – and I think healthy
to see this sort of consumer involvement in a product. It may be bitter
gruel for the folks at BioWare and EA, but there’s a sweetness to it if
you look closely enough.
Few companies command such fan loyalty or passion, after all.
Think about it – this whole controversy is unique. Did Bank of
America customers react to debit card fees by mentioning over and over
again how badly they wanted to remain Bank of America customers? Did
they ever describe themselves as fans of the bank?
Of course not.


Please come support the initiative! Even 5 minutes of gameplay on Saturday can help save the singleplayer campaign!

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DJBare wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
New article:
http://www.goozernat...l-worth-playing
Edit: Once again the author mistakenly says "change" instead of "clarify".

I suspect he got this bit right.

Furthermore, I think with all this controversy surrounding Bioware and
the Mass Effect series, this should make gamers want to play the game
more. For those gamers who had no interest in the series, they are now
asking themselves, what is it about this game that is making everyone so
bent out of shape?


At most that will make someone pirate it/buy it used when it's cheap. Curiosity toward something bad has never been a strong financial motivator, especially when the cost of admission is so high.

People don't hear resoundingly that something is bad and then spontaneously spawn an urge to buy that something. The reverse is usually true.

#90833
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Wait ... I dont understand. We turn on our games during this saturday? during what time? it says -7... what does that mean. As in a 24 hour time? 0007, 7 am... or is it 7pm .

Then dont play anything on biowre, dont come into this forum on sunday right?

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RaenImrahl wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Too bad it's illegal to send scat through the post, hehe.


Let's just not go there, please.



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Modifié par Ohpus, 25 avril 2012 - 05:39 .


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Phoenix NL wrote...

Headcount wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

New article:

http://www.goozernat...l-worth-playing

Edit: Once again the author mistakenly says "change" instead of "clarify".

Though it could be a delibirate choice, reflecting what he thinks will be in the DLC. Since the description was so vague I could probably say it's actually a trade contract with a straight face.


They still might change the endings and do it by saying the EC opened new "story opportunties".  I seen it used before by other TPTB wishing to avoid the appearance of caving before fan pressure.

That's always a possibility.


And ultimately the only hope the game really has. If they DON'T do something drastic, a lot of fans will simply be more angry.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

Wait ... I dont understand. We turn on our games during this saturday? during what time? it says -7... what does that mean. As in a 24 hour time? 0007, 7 am... or is it 7pm .

Then dont play anything on biowre, dont come into this forum on sunday right?


There are specific instructions on the forum thread here:

http://social.biowar.../index/11600342

But I can also just give you the times:

Turn On Times (Turn the game on some time during this 24 hour period)

Midway (GMT -11) 8pm Friday April 27 – 8pm Saturday April 28
Hawaii (GMT -10) 9pm, Friday, April 27-9pm Saturday April 28
Alaska (GMT -9/DST -8) 11pm Friday, April 27-11pm Saturday April 28th
Pacific (GMT -8/DST -7) 12am Saturday April 28th -12am Sunday April 29
Mountain (GMT -7/DST -6) 1am Saturday April 28 - 1am Sunday April 29
Central (GMT -6/DST-5) 2am Saturday April 28 – 2am Sunday April 29
Eastern (GMT -5/DST -4) 3am Saturday April 28 – 3am Sunday April 29
Nova Scotia (GMT -4/DST -3) 4am Saturday April 28 – 4am Sunday April 29
Brazil (GMT -3) 4am Saturday April 28 – 4am Sunday April 29
Greenland (GMT -2) 5am Saturday April 28 – 5am Sunday April 29
Cape Verde Islands (GMT -1) 6am Saturday April 28 – 6am Sunday April 29
Casablanca (GMT 0) 7am Saturday April 28 – 7am Sunday April 29
UK/Portugal (GMT 0/DST +1) 8am Saturday April 28 – 8am Sunday April 29
Nigeria (GMT +1) 8am Saturday April 28 – 8am Sunday April 29
Western Europe (GMT +1/DST +2) 9am Saturday April 28 – 9am Sunday April 29
Finland (GMT +2/DST +3) 10am Saturday April 28 – 10am Sunday April 29
Madagascar (GMT +3) 10am Saturday April 28 – 10am Sunday April 29
Moscow, Russia (GMT +4) 11am Saturday April 28 – 11am Sunday April 29
Maldives (GMT +5) 12pm Saturday April 28 – 12pm Sunday April 29
Bangladesh (GMT +6) 1pm Saturday April 28 – 1pm Sunday April 29
Omsk, Russia (GMT +7) 2pm Saturday April 28 – 2pm Sunday April 29
Singapore/Western Australia (GMT +8) 3pm Saturday April 28 – 3pm Sunday April 29
Japan (GMT +9) 4pm Saturday April 28 – 4pm Sunday April 29
Sydney (GMT +10) 5pm Saturday April 28 – 5pm Sunday April 29
Solomon Islands (GMT +11) 6pm Saturday April 28 – 6pm Sunday April 29
Fiji (GMT +12) 7pm Saturday April 28 – 7pm Sunday April 29
Samoa (GMT +13) 8pm Saturday April 28 – 8pm Sunday April 29
Kiribati (GMT +14) 9 pm Saturday April 28 – 9pm Sunday April 29

Turn Off Times (Make sure your game is OFF for at least this entire period)

Midway (GMT -11) 8pm Saturday April 28- 8pm Sunday April 29
Hawaii (GMT -10) 9pm Saturday April 28 – 9pm Sunday April 29
Alaska (GMT -9/DST -8) 11pm Saturday April 28 – 11pm Sunday April 29
Pacific (GMT -8/DST-7) 12am Sunday April 29 – 12am Monday April 30
Mountain (GMT -7/DST -6) 1am Sunday April 29 – 1am Monday April 30
Central (GMT -6/DST -5) 2am Sunday April 29 – 2am Monday April 30
Eastern (GMT -5/DST -4) 3am Sunday April 29 – 3am Monday April 30
Nova Scotia (GMT -4/DST -3) 4am Sunday April 29 – 4am Monday April 30
Brazil (GMT -3) 4am Sunday April 29 – 4am Monday April 30
Greenland (GMT -2) 5am Sunday April 29 – 5am Monday April 30
Cape Verde Islands (GMT -1) 6am Sunday April 29 – 6am Monday April 30
Casablanca (GMT 0) 7am Sunday April 29 – 7am Monday April 30
UK/Portugal (GMT 0/DST +1) 8am Sunday April 29 – 8am Monday April 30
Nigeria (GMT +1) 8am Sunday April 29 – 8am Monday April 30
Western Europe (GMT +1/DST +2) 9am Sunday April 29 – 9am Monday April 30
Finland (GMT +2/DST +3) 10am Sunday April 29 – 10am Monday April 30
Madagascar (GMT +3) 10am Sunday April 29 – 10am Monday April 30
Moscow, Russia (GMT +4) 11am Sunday April 29 – 11am Monday April 30
Maldives (GMT +5) 12pm Sunday April 29 – 12pm Monday April 30
Bangladesh (GMT +6) 1pm Sunday April 29 – 1pm Monday April 30
Omsk, Russia (GMT +7) 2pm Sunday April 29 – 2pm Monday April 30
Singapore/Western Australia (GMT +8) 3pm Sunday April 29 – 3pm Monday April 30
Japan (GMT +9) 4pm Sunday April 29 – 4pm Monday April 30
Sydney (GMT +10) 5pm Sunday April 19 – 5pm Monday April 30
Solomon Islands (GMT +11) 6pm Sunday April 29 – 6pm Monday April 30
Fiji (GMT +12) 7pm Sunday April 29 – 7pm Monday April 30
Samoa (GMT +13) 8pm Sunday April 29 – 8pm Monday April 30
Kiribati (GMT +14) 9pm Sunday April 29 – 9pm Monday April 30

#90837
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Alrighty thanks that was.... very through :P

So Eastern here. Play Saturday from 3 am to sunday 3 am. then kick em in the nuts. Got it

#90838
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Headcount wrote...


They still might change the endings and do it by saying the EC opened new "story opportunties".  I seen it used before by other TPTB wishing to avoid the appearance of caving before fan pressure.

That's always a possibility.


And ultimately the only hope the game really has. If they DON'T do something drastic, a lot of fans will simply be more angry.


Well I can't speak for anyone else but if BW do that then my apathy for ME will reach critical mass and I'll say to myself it was good while it lasted and then sell all three games. Personally I feel that apathy is worse than anger because  it shows that customers now don't care so no matter what you do in the future they won't be interested.

#90839
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#90840
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Shinobu wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
*Snip

*Snip


Thanks for that - I really didn't have the energy to try and do the math this evening! Oh, and hi everyone! :whistle:

/returns to lurker mode

#90841
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If things go bad we always have this http://www.gobiel.co..._703746_101.jpg ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://www.gobiel.co..._703746_101.jpg

#90842
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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

If things go bad we always have this http://www.gobiel.co...703746_101.jpg


I have to put it up... no link.
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#90843
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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

If things go bad we always have this http://www.gobiel.co...703746_101.jpg


What is that? :blink:

My weapon of choice, since I don't need cat snipers, not with my heritage.

#90844
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I've also got one of these handy...

#90845
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Nharia1 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Wells, good to know you're all undoubtedly insane...lol

When was I sane? :whistle:


Crazy girls are the hottest LIs. Just look at Jack.

Modifié par Ohpus, 25 avril 2012 - 05:55 .


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Goodwood wrote...

I've also got one of these handy...


erm... whats thatImage IPB

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Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

I've also got one of these handy...


erm... whats thatImage IPB


Anti-grav infantry fighting vehicle of my own design.

#90848
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DJBare wrote...
Above all, be respectful to each other.


Preach.

#90849
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Goodwood wrote...

Anti-grav infantry fighting vehicle of my own design.


You design your own tanksImage IPB can i get one made to order would make getting a car parking space much easier.Image IPB

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Ohpus wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Wells, good to know you're all undoubtedly insane...lol

When was I sane? :whistle:


Crazy girls are the hottest LIs. Just look at Jack.


....she had no hair... I'm sorry but no. Hair... you need hair. I'm sorry thats ... u gota to have hair.

ME3.. now ur talking.

But baldy women ... just aint ... just aint.:?