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[albertalad]

Me personally - I standing by the I AM KROGAN guy's post earlier. He wrote: Let me preempt the future onslaught of accusations by making it clear that I haven't played Mass Effect 3, nor do I have any inside knowledge of the endings. I have, however, seen the Prima strategy guide. How? I work at a large electronics retailer and we received the guides yesterday.

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." Second, it states that the endings are different based on whether or not you kept the Collector's Base in ME2. It says if you don't import a character it assumes you destroyed the base. Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." Now, to me, that implies that the special ending doesn't involve Shepard dying or the Normandy crashing for no apparent reason. How else could you visit Liara unless you survived the end of the game?

I took pictures of the relevant page in the guide with my phone but I'm having difficulty uploading them to my pc. I have an LG Dare... and it sucks. I'll keep trying.

Why hasn't anyone seen this ending? Not sure. My guess is that Bioware is smarter than we think and didn't allow anyone but devs to see it. Perhaps the space edition is not the full game. I highly doubt Prima messed up their guide so badly as to list parts of the game that don't exist. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know that it might be wise to not cancel your Collector's Edition preorders.
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Moreover he uploaded the photos to prove his point I have seen on photo bucket!

[xtorma]

Aesieru wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

GDK wrote...

See,  TOTALLY get that. So I understand where BW got the idea... but if the Reapers are GONE at the end... why would their old trap matter?

Symbolism. The reapers "gave" us the technology if were gonna be free from their genocide we must make our own path. I understand you would prefer a pragmatic choice but the symbolic aproach makes sense from a literary point of view.

Think of it as a "coming of age"  for the galaxy, you have to leave your parents house to make a future of your own (although these "parents" are genocidal aliens i this case )

The relays also prevent the need for diverging from that technology and developing different technologies.

how does it prevent it once you find out the truth? do the relays mind control civilizations? why can't the races say...ok we know the trap...now we can start finding other ways to travel , and a way to shut down the relays once we develop it?

Are the reapers physically attached to the relays by some unknown technology, and when they die the relays die?

[GDK]

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2. Then instead of a straight up fight, which again the entire series led up to, we get a magic gun from the protheans that allow us to:

a) Destroy the Reapers and all their tech - leaving Shepard either dead or alive and the Normandy stranded on a backwater planet with little hope of retreival.

Control the Reapers - in which Shepard becomes the new Guardian, and is forever trapped within the Citadel and the cycle continues in 50,000 years. The Normandy is stranded on a distant world and the Relays are destroyed.

c) Merge - we all get turned into cyborgs and Shepard becomes goo on the floor of the Citadel, the Relays are destroyed and the Normandy is stranded on the bloody world in the middle of no where.

Do you see the trend here. No matter what we do, no matter how we choose to go, all roads lead to the same place. The Relays destroyed, Galactic Civilization set back hundreds if not thousands of years, Shepard most likely dead or might as well be dead, and the Normandy stuck on some backwater planet in the middle of no where.

Now Shepard can die, I'm cool with that, kind of expected that. The Normandy can be destroyed, kinda expected that as well. However, I expected us to save Galactic Civilization, not pretty much force everyone to start all over again.

I also expected there to be the possibility that the Reapers would win, and the cycle would continue. Which at this point I would be happier with than the choices I currently have.

You do not understand the key plot of ME3 because you havent' played it.

The Technology Singularity is the key.

Also, this is blitheringly stupid. 

What race thought to themselves, "Y'know what sucks? Advancements in technology. We should probably make this super advanced race of the EXACT THING WE WANT TO STOP, and have them kill everyone. Cause that'll really hit the nail home that what we're doing is for the betterment of life."

Why not make the Reapers just set back technology? Murdering trillions of lives makes it hard for people to understand what they're fighting for. Also, destroying the relays doens't prevent this from happening, it just postpones it. 

And on top of ALL of that, the concept itself is absurd. Just because it might happen, is not a good enough reason for this to be the hinge of the Mass Effect universe for me.

[Bomb In My Pants]

Elegana wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

I'm not trying to be mean and I merely want to ask:

If you're so tired of people complaining about the endings... then why are you still here?

To try and convince them of what I said in the post you quoted.

Also for entertainment. I find all this quite amusing, if also annoying and silly.

[recentio]

GDK wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Aesieru wrote...


The lack of personal sacrifice.

I think we all knew that Shephard had to die if he was taking on the most deadly thing, he sacrifices himself for the greater good, one way or the other.

Except . . . 


He can live.

Emotional sacrifice. Bioware knows we love the normandy crew thats why they did it. They wouldnt have done it otherwise...

This is what is pissing everyone off. They aren't dumb enough to think that doing that to the crew would evoke anything besides rage. Emotional sacrifice is each of the giving their lives to stop the Reapers. 

Shepard already stopped them. There is no "Sacrifice" here. It's just a swift kick in the nuts.

It's like they did it purely to cause pain in any player who cared about Shep's ties to his squad. A breeding colony may work as some twisted fantasy of a 'new beginning, aw...ain't it special' -- I don't know. I find it revolting. 

[Karrie788]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

[Bomb In My Pants]

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Logic- Yay!

[Elegana]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

I'm not trying to be mean and I merely want to ask:

If you're so tired of people complaining about the endings... then why are you still here?

To try and convince them of what I said in the post you quoted.

Also for entertainment. I find all this quite amusing, if also annoying and silly.

But why try to convince them? We've been arguing and debating for over 350 pages now. I don't think people's opinions are going to change. At this point, we're just repeating said words.

[NaPo1eon]

I poured a cup of apple juice and accidentally spilled it....
so I poured a cup of orange juice, and god damnit, spilled it...
finally I poured a cup of strawberry kiwi juice and that spilled too....

No matter what juice I had, it spilled anyway.

[Bomb In My Pants]

Elegana wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

I'm not trying to be mean and I merely want to ask:

If you're so tired of people complaining about the endings... then why are you still here?

To try and convince them of what I said in the post you quoted.

Also for entertainment. I find all this quite amusing, if also annoying and silly.

But why try to convince them? We've been arguing and debating for over 350 pages now. I don't think people's opinions are going to change. At this point, we're just repeating said words.

then purely for entertainment. lol

[Aesieru]

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

GDK wrote...

See,  TOTALLY get that. So I understand where BW got the idea... but if the Reapers are GONE at the end... why would their old trap matter?

Symbolism. The reapers "gave" us the technology if were gonna be free from their genocide we must make our own path. I understand you would prefer a pragmatic choice but the symbolic aproach makes sense from a literary point of view.

Think of it as a "coming of age"  for the galaxy, you have to leave your parents house to make a future of your own (although these "parents" are genocidal aliens i this case )

The relays also prevent the need for diverging from that technology and developing different technologies.

how does it prevent it once you find out the truth? do the relays mind control civilizations? why can't the races say...ok we know the trap...now we can start finding other ways to travel , and a way to shut down the relays once we develop it?

Are the reapers physically attached to the relays by some unknown technology, and when they die the relays die?

Because of what you're doing right now, even though you know they're a trap you still want to use them and if you do you'll see no reason to go past them, eventually you'll develop more AI's (you've already done it anyway) and they will expand, eventually devour all resources over a period of time and galactic life will end and synthetic life will be all that's left.

Good bye organics.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Exactly, it defeats the point of even saving most characters. All it amounts to is they can a cruel ending so they can serve as assets to take back Earth and the universe gets messed up either way. Turns everyone into statistics and expects you to suddenly start caring more about Earth than everyone you've grown to care for along the way.

Since the ending is going to be a shade of cruel either way and you know Bioware will just explain it away if they ever do another game based after Mass Effect 3, it smashes the replay value into a million pieces.

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 03 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[HiddenKING]

NaPo1eon wrote...

I poured a cup of apple juice and accidentally spilled it....
so I poured a cup of orange juice, and god damnit, spilled it...
finally I poured a cup of strawberry kiwi juice and that spilled too....

No matter what juice I had, it spilled anyway.

I don't think you know how to pour.

[Bomb In My Pants]

HiddenKING wrote...

NaPo1eon wrote...

I poured a cup of apple juice and accidentally spilled it....
so I poured a cup of orange juice, and god damnit, spilled it...
finally I poured a cup of strawberry kiwi juice and that spilled too....

No matter what juice I had, it spilled anyway.

I don't think you know how to pour.

Yeah, make sure the cup has a bottom.

[Aesieru]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2. Then instead of a straight up fight, which again the entire series led up to, we get a magic gun from the protheans that allow us to:

a) Destroy the Reapers and all their tech - leaving Shepard either dead or alive and the Normandy stranded on a backwater planet with little hope of retreival.

Control the Reapers - in which Shepard becomes the new Guardian, and is forever trapped within the Citadel and the cycle continues in 50,000 years. The Normandy is stranded on a distant world and the Relays are destroyed.

c) Merge - we all get turned into cyborgs and Shepard becomes goo on the floor of the Citadel, the Relays are destroyed and the Normandy is stranded on the bloody world in the middle of no where.

Do you see the trend here. No matter what we do, no matter how we choose to go, all roads lead to the same place. The Relays destroyed, Galactic Civilization set back hundreds if not thousands of years, Shepard most likely dead or might as well be dead, and the Normandy stuck on some backwater planet in the middle of no where.

Now Shepard can die, I'm cool with that, kind of expected that. The Normandy can be destroyed, kinda expected that as well. However, I expected us to save Galactic Civilization, not pretty much force everyone to start all over again.

I also expected there to be the possibility that the Reapers would win, and the cycle would continue. Which at this point I would be happier with than the choices I currently have.

You do not understand the key plot of ME3 because you havent' played it.

The Technology Singularity is the key.

The Technological Singularity is something which 'could' happen with the development cycle of the organic races.  Which is why the Reapers came through every 50,000 years and wiped out space faring civilization.

In two of those choices, the chances are even higher of technological singularity than in the third.  However, again, that was not what the plot of the two other games led us to believe.  It was a simple heroes journey, from start to finish, now at the end of the journey we find that we were all wrong, and it was really a statement about technology getting out of hand? 

To quote the movie Wag the Dog, "You don't change horses mid stream" which is exactly what Bioware did.

That said, you're right I haven't played the game yet, and this could all be moot when I do, and if it is, then that will be a wonderful thing, however, as things look right now, my point is valid.

The plot was there, you could see it, granted it wa ssupposed to be about dark energy but they re-evaluated it and it fits. The Reapers are caretakers. Surely the unknown reason for their existence and harvesting had to have crossed your mind at some point.

[recentio]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Logic- Yay!

I'm afraid the unfortunate logical conclusion is to accept the mountain of evidence that these are, in fact, the only endings. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt, no. But, I will watch to see what is what after the game is released. If it turns out that there is an ending where Shepard stays with his LI/crew, I'll buy the game instantly. Otherwise, no dice. I can wait for a used game price if I'm gonna get raked over the emotional coals for no good reason.

Modifié par recentio, 03 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Tric]

Aesieru wrote...

Until you understand the plot you will never understand what needs to happen should happen and in that case you'll never understand why the ship had to die.

What ship? The Normandy? Sorry, there's a lot of ships out there and it's really late here, I'm amazed that I'm still being somewhat coherent.

The problem is that they don't die and it seems like we're supposed to see the colony as something happy when, if you think about it, it's just horrifying. You see my problem? I'm not sure I'm explaining myself correctly.

I don't really mind the Normandy being stranded away from Shepard, it's where they're stranded and in what conditions and what they're trying to make us feel with this that is important IMO.

Normandy crashes, people survive, there's hope for the future... If you don't think about it, because the moment you do it's just

Although if they did mean for it to be a sadistic ending then I am not sure if this is the kind of company I want to support anymore.

Modifié par SomethingSome, 03 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

[quote]Aesieru wrote...

[quote]Kyria Nyriese wrote...

[quote]Aesieru wrote...

[quote]Kyria Nyriese wrote...

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The plot was there, you could see it, granted it wa ssupposed to be about dark energy but they re-evaluated it and it fits. The Reapers are caretakers. Surely the unknown reason for their existence and harvesting had to have crossed your mind at some point.

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That is another of my issues with ME 3, if there was one thing I under no uncertain terms did not want to see, was the Reapers were actually the good guys.  I mean come on, let the bad guys be the bad guys and let the good guys kick their butts, we don't need things to be complicated, just the standard hero's journey.

[Bomb In My Pants]

recentio wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Logic- Yay!

I'm afraid the unfortunate logical conclusion is to accept the mountain of evidence that these are, in fact, the only endings. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt, no. But, I will watch to see what is what after the game is released. If it turns out that there is an ending where Shepard stays with his LI/crew, I'll buy the game instantly. Otherwise, no dice. I can wait for a used game price if I'm gonna get raked over the emotional coals for no good reason.

At least you are giving BioWare a chance. Unlike those that are simply sayin- "No I will never play it"

I wonder what the last time a big game like this had a ton of leaks was.......and the truth after release.

[RogueWriter3201]

albertalad wrote...

Me personally - I standing by the I AM KROGAN guy's post earlier. He wrote: Let me preempt the future onslaught of accusations by making it clear that I haven't played Mass Effect 3, nor do I have any inside knowledge of the endings. I have, however, seen the Prima strategy guide. How? I work at a large electronics retailer and we received the guides yesterday.

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." Second, it states that the endings are different based on whether or not you kept the Collector's Base in ME2. It says if you don't import a character it assumes you destroyed the base. Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." Now, to me, that implies that the special ending doesn't involve Shepard dying or the Normandy crashing for no apparent reason. How else could you visit Liara unless you survived the end of the game?

I took pictures of the relevant page in the guide with my phone but I'm having difficulty uploading them to my pc. I have an LG Dare... and it sucks. I'll keep trying.

Why hasn't anyone seen this ending? Not sure. My guess is that Bioware is smarter than we think and didn't allow anyone but devs to see it. Perhaps the space edition is not the full game. I highly doubt Prima messed up their guide so badly as to list parts of the game that don't exist. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know that it might be wise to not cancel your Collector's Edition preorders.
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Moreover he uploaded the photos to prove his point I have seen on photo bucket!

Thanks for reposting this. It doesn't exactly instill in me a massive degree of hope, but at least it gives a small glimmer that the endings we have been presented aren't what they seem, i.e. not the "True" Heroic Ending. (Note: I understand that the definition of "Heroic Ending" will differ among the fanbase) I'll admit, I'm equally curious as to what this "Special" is. I've read that the fish becomes a special War Resource, if so that's rather interesting and nothing short of hilariously rediculous (in a good way) right up there with Boo the Space Hamster. Lastly, I would rather like to see this Photo-Bucket account you mentioned with these images. I've yet to find a link. 

[Bomb In My Pants]

Well, GN all. If any of you would like to continue this debate with me tommorrow, I suggest you PM me. Seriously, I'm not going to be able to remember the page #.

[Joescrab]

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read... What's the point to living if we all die in the end? That's exactly what you're saying

[Karrie788]

recentio wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Logic- Yay!

I'm afraid the unfortunate logical conclusion is to accept the mountain of evidence that these are, in fact, the only endings. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt, no. But, I will watch to see what is what after the game is released. If it turns out that there is an ending where Shepard stays with his LI/crew, I'll buy the game instantly. Otherwise, no dice. I can wait for a used game price if I'm gonna get raked over the emotional coals for no good reason.

Same here. I'm not paying 60 dollars to cry like a baby at the end (and I will. I'm very weak.). However if there is a chance for Shep to stay with her crew, even if it's a really hard ending to get (and I expect it to be!) I'll buy the game in a heartbeat.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

I just thought Bioware had realised that the overall plot is not that strong, it's the characters that make the Mass Effect universe so if they wanted to satisfy players, it's the characters ending they should have focused on, regardless of the state of the universe (which was likely going to suffer either way)

[RazorrX]

Aesieru wrote...


The plot was there, you could see it, granted it wa ssupposed to be about dark energy but they re-evaluated it and it fits. The Reapers are caretakers. Surely the unknown reason for their existence and harvesting had to have crossed your mind at some point.

Actually, I was waiting on them to say that the reapers were slowly moving the galaxy to avoid it being hit by another galaxy in a billion years.