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[Missy_MI]

g_bassi13 wrote...
How did you feel about the fact that you had to choose the ending of your game? Putting aside what the choices actually were, would you have preferred choosing between a set number of conceptually different outcomes with perhaps minor variations on each depending on your strength/game choices (kind of like what we have now), or a 'main' non-chosen ending with a larger number of variables depending on game choices (more like the suicide mission)? Which did you expect?

I definitely expected a suicide mission style ending. I purposely read all the descriptions of my war assets and any updates to them along the way because I was convinced I'd have to tactically deploy them in the final battle. So much for that reasoning.

I'm okay with picking from a set of choices in theory, but the ones we have now are so jarring in light of the rest of the ME series. I mean only 'bad guys' ever wanted a final outcome where the Reapers lived. All the way up until Shepard rides that glowy platform at the end, the goal has always been Destroy the Reapers.

And it's not like we were ever given a Legion version of a Reaper, to make us question their intentions or portrayal as ultimate bad guys. They were always evil and unstoppable and unknowable. Kill them or be killed.

So it makes no sense to me that the most ineffective and poor playthrough with the lowest EMS rating gets to accomplish that goal, but the more dedicated players are 'rewarded' with... options to let the Reapers live.

[Computim]

Missy_MI wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...
How did you feel about the fact that you had to choose the ending of your game? Putting aside what the choices actually were, would you have preferred choosing between a set number of conceptually different outcomes with perhaps minor variations on each depending on your strength/game choices (kind of like what we have now), or a 'main' non-chosen ending with a larger number of variables depending on game choices (more like the suicide mission)? Which did you expect?

I definitely expected a suicide mission style ending. I purposely read all the descriptions of my war assets and any updates to them along the way because I was convinced I'd have to tactically deploy them in the final battle. So much for that reasoning.

I'm okay with picking from a set of choices in theory, but the ones we have now are so jarring in light of the rest of the ME series. I mean only 'bad guys' ever wanted a final outcome where the Reapers lived. All the way up until Shepard rides that glowy platform at the end, the goal has always been Destroy the Reapers.

And it's not like we were ever given a Legion version of a Reaper, to make us question their intentions or portrayal as ultimate bad guys. They were always evil and unstoppable and unknowable. Kill them or be killed.

So it makes no sense to me that the most ineffective and poor playthrough with the lowest EMS rating gets to accomplish that goal, but the more dedicated players are 'rewarded' with... options to let the Reapers live.

I suspect your assumptions were intended too.  It seems like everything Bioware had planned would have taken those into account, they just also seem to have run out of time and not implemented 90% of them in the ending.  Part of why it sucked lol.

[MeldarthX]

ok - I'm going to sleep lol........its 2:40 am


Hold The Line

[Mythandariel]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Laterali wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...308506214187008

this doesn't sound promising. So completely going against Shepard's character and siding with the Illusive Man after fighting him for 30 hours, or changing every individual's dna against their will is better than destroy to him.

*Face Palm*

Goddamit. Somethings wrong when a majority of the fan base is so sure that they understand the strory of Mass Effect better than the people in charge of making it. I'm one of those people that believes this. Whenever they say things like this, it reminds me of how far removed the ending is from the rest of the game, and how far the developers are removed from the fans.

They're really trying to double up on how they believe synthesis achieves what Shepard wants, without actually explaining why. If the Extended DLC exists to serve this purpose (of explaining why)... God. I just really hope they know they're doing the opposite of what the fans want here.

I don't see it that way. I see it as him hinting that the Abort, Retry, Fail options given aren't the end.

He's just stiring the pot to keep you interested and... Ahem... :wizard:SPECULATING:wizard: exclemation point eleventy-one hundred.

[Laterali]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Laterali wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...308506214187008

this doesn't sound promising. So completely going against Shepard's character and siding with the Illusive Man after fighting him for 30 hours, or changing every individual's dna against their will is better than destroy to him.

*Face Palm*

Goddamit. Somethings wrong when a majority of the fan base is so sure that they understand the strory of Mass Effect better than the people in charge of making it. I'm one of those people that believes this. Whenever they say things like this, it reminds me of how far removed the ending is from the rest of the game, and how far the developers are removed from the fans.

They're really trying to double up on how they believe synthesis achieves what Shepard wants, without actually explaining why. If the Extended DLC exists to serve this purpose (of explaining why)... God. I just really hope they know they're doing the opposite of what the fans want here.

It's absolutely bat **** insane isn't it?

I mean, we weren't the ones that wrote Shepard. They did. He specifically goes against everything TIM does. There's not even any sympathy for TIM's views. It's straight up, "Im'a kill you the next time I see you".

And they wrote Shepard throughout the whole series telling people that the best thing about organics is their ability to choose for themselves, be individual, have freedom. They made it a point to say that at the end to drive it home. So how the hell can Synthesis, which goes against Shepard's views about organics, be better than killing the effin reapers, the thing he's set out to do since ME1?!

Choosing Synthesis takes away those freedoms and choices that organics make that Shepard just gushed on.

I need to go outside and scream for a while.

Modifié par Laterali, 26 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Laterali wrote...

It's absolutely bat **** insane isn't it?

I mean, we weren't the ones that wrote Shepard. They did. He specifically goes against everything TIM does. There's not even any sympathy for TIM's views. It's straight up, "Im'a kill you the next time I see you".

And they wrote Shepard throughout the whole series telling people that the best thing about organics is their ability to choose for themselves, be individual, have freedom. They made it a point to say that at the end to drive it home. So how the hell can Synthethis, which goes against Shepard's views about organics, be better than killing the effin reapers, the thing he's set out to do since ME1?!

Choosing Synthethis takes away those freedoms and choices that organics make that Shepard just gushed on.

I need to go outside and scream for a while.

QFT

[g_bassi13]

Mythandariel wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Laterali wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...308506214187008

this doesn't sound promising. So completely going against Shepard's character and siding with the Illusive Man after fighting him for 30 hours, or changing every individual's dna against their will is better than destroy to him.

*Face Palm*

Goddamit. Somethings wrong when a majority of the fan base is so sure that they understand the strory of Mass Effect better than the people in charge of making it. I'm one of those people that believes this. Whenever they say things like this, it reminds me of how far removed the ending is from the rest of the game, and how far the developers are removed from the fans.

They're really trying to double up on how they believe synthesis achieves what Shepard wants, without actually explaining why. If the Extended DLC exists to serve this purpose (of explaining why)... God. I just really hope they know they're doing the opposite of what the fans want here.

I don't see it that way. I see it as him hinting that the Abort, Retry, Fail options given aren't the end.

He's just stiring the pot to keep you interested and... Ahem... :wizard:SPECULATING:wizard: exclemation point eleventy-one hundred.

What ending after synthesis though? Why do we care what happens once the reapers live and everyone in the galaxy has been turned into a cyborg. Maybe those that liked the ending do. But what does that do for those that have a deep hatred for everything the ending represents?

I've had it with these speculations. I'm genuinely not enteraining them anymore.

[Laterali]

MeldarthX wrote...


Alluded to - which means imply.........in that screen - show's earlier Tweet Mike says

Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people
knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy
of me3 forever.  March 9th -

Mike's hinted from the very beginning - pretty much very beginning........BW can't come out and say this was all planned - but it was......

Alluding and straight up saying are two different things though.
And what he alluded to was said after the game was released. They also came out and said they had to put on hold other DLC they were planning to make the EC. Most likely when he said that, he was referring to either that MP dlc, or the Omega DLC, which is speculation from me.

And that's the thing, since he didn't straight up say that the ending dlc was always planned and was being worked on from the beginning, everything is speculative.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I've had it with these speculations. I'm genuinely not enteraining them anymore.

I stopped entertaining them ages ago, if we Speculate then we are giving BioWare and the Mass Effect team exactly what they wanted.

[Computim]

g_bassi13 wrote...
What ending after synthesis though? Why do we care what happens once the reapers live and everyone in the galaxy has been turned into a cyborg. Maybe those that liked the ending do. But what does that do for those that have a deep hatred for everything the ending represents?

I've had it with these speculations. I'm genuinely not enteraining them anymore.

After Synthesis you meet Neo.. he then saves us from the evils....

Modifié par Computim, 26 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[TamiBx]

 I actually always knew that most people at Bioware prefered Synthesis. I mean, why would it be the hardest option to get/open if it wasn't the "best"? 

Honestly, I do not see how becoming half robot is good. <_<

[VivaLaWhatsername]

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

[MeldarthX]

Laterali wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...


Alluded to - which means imply.........in that screen - show's earlier Tweet Mike says

Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people
knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy
of me3 forever.  March 9th -

Mike's hinted from the very beginning - pretty much very beginning........BW can't come out and say this was all planned - but it was......

Alluding and straight up saying are two different things though.
And what he alluded to was said after the game was released. They also came out and said they had to put on hold other DLC they were planning to make the EC. Most likely when he said that, he was referring to either that MP dlc, or the Omega DLC, which is speculation from me.

And that's the thing, since he didn't straight up say that the ending dlc was always planned and was being worked on from the beginning, everything is speculative.

Look BW can't just come out and say - look we've been working on this since before game's gone gold - but if you LOOK at what's been said - that's exactly what they have.

They've planned this from beginning - they knew people were going to be pissed about the ending - they even said that........reason - they needed more time to actually finish the ending because they ran out of time.

I'm not goint to list everything again that I have that backs this up - I've done it 5 times in this thread already - proof is there in the code........between the lines - in the tweets hints......its all there.....

Sorry if I seem snippy - BW on a course of action - they won't admit they did this on purpose as PR blew up in their face........there's another piece most forget....

Guy that leaked MP dlc - was also the one that leaked the truth ending dlc.......guess what completely straight on - the leak for MP DLC - screenshots everything.......I can say without a doubt......the truth dlc is true....

Several reasons - only thing they ever said about the truth dlc after the MP DLC was around aboutly confirmed *aka before confirmed*  is tweeted - would we name dlc that?  Only thing

Soon as Terminator dlc came out that alluded to Mass Shift - Casey came out on BSN said it wasn completely false - not true - Mike did on twitter and BSN and ME3 on twitter did also........they just it down as soon as they could.....

If the truth was also false - they would of done the same thing.........they didn't because its true

[VivaLaWhatsername]

TamiBx wrote...

 I actually always knew that most people at Bioware prefered Synthesis. I mean, why would it be the hardest option to get/open if it wasn't the "best"? 

Honestly, I do not see how becoming half robot is good. <_<

How is that the hardest one to get though?
I would think the Shepard breathing one is harder since you need MP to get it.

[Kyria Nyriese]

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

Growl... WTF... :blink::blink:<_<

I really don't get it.

[B.Shep]

Not just becoming half robot, but forcing the whole galaxy to become a bunch of cyborgs.... :/

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

Growl... WTF... :blink::blink:<_<

I really don't get it.

Yeah all your wee smileys there are pretty much my reaction too....
*sigh*

[Laterali]

TamiBx wrote...

 I actually always knew that most people at Bioware prefered Synthesis. I mean, why would it be the hardest option to get/open if it wasn't the "best"? 

Honestly, I do not see how becoming half robot is good. <_<

They must have forgotten the dialogue with Mordin in ME2 where he says culture and civilization would stagnate if merged with synthetics.

Or the part where Shepard tells the star brat that being an organic and having freedom of choice is the most important thing of all.

Or the part when Javik tells Shepard that a civilization that merged with synthetics tore itself apart then tried to kill everyone in the galaxy.

Or the part....

I could seriously go on for hours. They should go back and play their games so they can see how stupid they sound when they pick synthesis.

[Computim]

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

.... and here everyone thought it was overcoming impossible odds when you work together...... so what was the point of the Geth/Quarian story arc? 

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Laterali wrote...

They must have forgotten the dialogue with Mordin in ME2 where he says culture and civilization would stagnate if merged with synthetics.

Or the part where Shepard tells the star brat that being an organic and having freedom of choice is the most important thing of all.

Or the part when Javik tells Shepard that a civilization that merged with synthetics tore itself apart then tried to kill everyone in the galaxy.

Or the part....

I could seriously go on for hours. They should go back and play their games so they can see how stupid they sound when they pick synthesis.

Yeah I agree with this.

[g_bassi13]

xHezz90 wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

I've had it with these speculations. I'm genuinely not enteraining them anymore.

I stopped entertaining them ages ago, if we Speculate then we are giving BioWare and the Mass Effect team exactly what they wanted.

Lol. I said the exact same thing the second I finished the game. "So what, do they want me to sit here and interpret what just happened? **** that noise, I'm going to go make sure everyone I know learns how goddamn retarded this whole **** was."

I've been doing that for a while now.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Computim wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

.... and here everyone thought it was overcoming impossible odds when you work together...... so what was the point of the Geth/Quarian story arc? 

Yeah exactly, oh well I am going to shut up about this now because not only does the reply to my tweet annoy me but again this is speculating which is what they want. *sigh*

I just don't see how sythesis is the "best" ending at all 

[MeldarthX]

Laterali wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 I actually always knew that most people at Bioware prefered Synthesis. I mean, why would it be the hardest option to get/open if it wasn't the "best"? 

Honestly, I do not see how becoming half robot is good. <_<

They must have forgotten the dialogue with Mordin in ME2 where he says culture and civilization would stagnate if merged with synthetics.

Or the part where Shepard tells the star brat that being an organic and having freedom of choice is the most important thing of all.

Or the part when Javik tells Shepard that a civilization that merged with synthetics tore itself apart then tried to kill everyone in the galaxy.

Or the part....

I could seriously go on for hours. They should go back and play their games so they can see how stupid they sound when they pick synthesis.

I retweeted the top part you said   Mike's trolling on that - its because plotID was found not too long again that breaks the endings into two parts.......


Check......syth and contro  and checkmarked......Destroy - aka the game only cares if you pick Destory it doesn't care if you picked the other two.....and not its not to get Shep breathing.....

Pasted from



Leto_Galt wrote...



Auralius Carolus wrote...



Leto_Galt wrote...





I was looking through some save game editing plot flags and noticed that
the line for End001 (Destroy) is different than End002 and End003.
Destroy Sets 3 PlotIDs for the future.Not only do Synth and Control not
set 3Ids. They do not even set 1.



End001,

PlotIDSet=(20894,19290,19286),

PlotIDClear=(),

PlotInts=((ID=10185,V=26),(ID=10303,V=25)),

PlotCond=())



End002,

PlotIDSet=(),

PlotIDClear=(),

PlotInts=((ID=10202,V=21)),

PlotCond=())



End003,

PlotIDSet=(),

PlotIDClear=(),

PlotInts=((ID=10203,V=22)),

PlotCond=())



I don't understand exactly how the game engine uses these PlotIDs, but from a layman’s point of view it looks like it's either;

Pick destroy, and have a future, or Synth/Control and not have a future.

Bioware does not even bother to track which one you picked if it wasn't destroy.

As far as they are concerned synthesis & control are the same thing. = Indoctrinated.



So, you're saying these plot codes have no known current value in the game?





Not really, but yes that should be true as well.

Basically the PlotIDs are used so the game knows what you have done in the past.



A list of all that I know about is available here - http://pastebin.com/zv8mxcxs



My point was that IF there is any post game DLC, your save file will
only know if you chose destroy or not. It doesn't seem to care or
differentiate between Synthesis and Control.



I interpret this to mean that since both Synthesis and Control end up
with Shepard indoctrinated. The save file doesn't care what path you
took to get there.

[Computim]

xHezz90 wrote...

Computim wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

.... and here everyone thought it was overcoming impossible odds when you work together...... so what was the point of the Geth/Quarian story arc? 

Yeah exactly, oh well I am going to shut up about this now because not only does the reply to my tweet annoy me but again this is speculating which is what they want. *sigh*

I just don't see how sythesis is the "best" ending at all 

Yeah.. as I said earlier.. Synthesis is the equivalent of a World War II weapon that turns us all into part Hitler... because, that is totally the way to peace (facepalms at that irony)

[Major Swift]

@Hezz, and that is why i have stopped watching twitter as much as i used to lol *sigh* when in the hell was that EVER the key/main theme? that isn't what i took from ME as the theme *gives up on reading their twitter madness*