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[sAxMoNkI]

@MeldarthX: That is very interesting, would be keen to find out what those are for. Specially seeing as there should be no export markers as there should be no new Mass effect involving Shep to import them to. Puzzleing.

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 26 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Computim wrote...

Yeah.. as I said earlier.. Synthesis is the equivalent of a World War II weapon that turns us all into part Hitler... because, that is totally the way to peace (facepalms at that irony)

Haha yeah thats actually a really good example for the sythesis ending.

[XXIceColdXX]

After reading a few of the Bioware employee twitter feeds, I'm getting concerned that Bioware don't fully realise how much the endings are pretty much universally despised. Look unless IT theory is still possible, (just noticed Michael Gambles tweet saying he doesn't think destroy is the best ending) which I'm starting to lose faith Bioware are headed, we will need more than clarification.

Bioware needs to seriously look at an ending recon to fix this, and keep better continuity throughout the 3 games. It's not that we need clarification, it's more we need a new ending.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 26 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[Missy_MI]

Laterali wrote...
It's absolutely bat **** insane isn't it?

I mean, we weren't the ones that wrote Shepard. They did.

This is probably the main reason I spent a blissful week believing in Indoctrination Theory. Because it seemed incomprehensible that the players could ever understand the Mass Effect universe and its characters better than its own creators.

And even though I know it's not possible, that's what it has felt like.

Shepard wouldn't just meekly accept a choice from the King of the Reapers without any argument, hurt or not. Joker wouldn't fly away from the battle without a damn good reason. Crash landing on an unknown planet and being separated from their home worlds and loved ones for the forseeable future would be torture for my squadmates. They wouldn't be getting off the Normandy smiling and content with the universe.

If BioWare wants to essentially rewrite their main characters, that is entirely their choice and their right. But I don't understand how they expected fans to just go along with the major shifts in character behavior during the endings.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

@Hezz, and that is why i have stopped watching twitter as much as i used to lol *sigh* when in the hell was that EVER the key/main theme? that isn't what i took from ME as the theme *gives up on reading their twitter madness*

Yeah I'm starting to think I should stop tweeting them things, they either ignore me or answer with nonsense.

[Major Swift]

basically the only type of things ill read/reply to from any of  them on twitter now lol https://twitter.com/...263453865316354
edit: (after i try to ask Gamble how that theme was a key one/main one)

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[evisneffo]

xHezz90 wrote...
I just don't see how sythesis is the "best" ending at all 

They probably got hooked on the "but there will be peace?" part. And peace is good, but what makes it an inevitable, logical consequence of merging all DNA in the galaxy? <_<

MeldarthX wrote...

*snip*

I really don't want to believe that BW planned this ****-up. The implications of it are repugnant in every way. You have been posting a lot of thoughts and evidence for it so I just wanted to ask: what does it mean for you? If they planned it, does that mean you're extremely optimistic about what they're coming up with? Are they forgiven for withholding the end of a game? Is this supposed to be a superb mind-screw? Is it a superb mind-screw that went wrong?

I don't mean to sound hostile. I'm just not sure where you're coming from with this.

[Siegdrifa]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Laterali wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...308506214187008

this doesn't sound promising. So completely going against Shepard's character and siding with the Illusive Man after fighting him for 30 hours, or changing every individual's dna against their will is better than destroy to him.

*Face Palm*

Goddamit. Somethings wrong when a majority of the fan base is so sure that they understand the strory of Mass Effect better than the people in charge of making it. I'm one of those people that believes this. Whenever they say things like this, it reminds me of how far removed the ending is from the rest of the game, and how far the developers are removed from the fans.

They're really trying to double up on how they believe synthesis achieves what Shepard wants, without actually explaining why. If the Extended DLC exists to serve this purpose (of explaining why)... God. I just really hope they know they're doing the opposite of what the fans want here.

I like the tweet under :
"well, the alternatives were essentially what saren and the illusive man wanted."

Because it sum it up perfectly.
In ME1 we faught Saren because we refused his concept to forge an alliance between machine and organic. From a writting point of view, killing X character because his Y goal is not enough for us, and in the end we can't do more that Saren, it makes Shep look lame, a total faillure as a hero.

And as i said in a prvious post :
Synthesis rewrite the DNA to stop synthetics to kill organics because they are not synthetics too.
Does is grant peace ? NOOOOOO !
Why ?
Because wars and conflicts doesn't come from DNA at all, it come from perspectives, opinions, intrest, ideal. Even among people who share the same DNA there can be conflict and murder.
So what bring synthesis in the end ? well, next time a synthetic kill an organic, it will be for another reason than just " well, because i'm synthetic so i have to kill organic " ... indeed, hurray ! what a progress !


But still, i would agree that the best ending is relative, and if it's what some player think it is the best, they are right to choose it.

The problem i have with ME ending concept to justify the ending, it's not humanly related.
ME franchise was about tolerence and cooperation with different species, but  WE as human do not need to meet aliens to understand this feeling, there is tones of different country and cultures, some were massacred only because they were different, by some fool who wanted them extinguished.
" you are different than me, i hate you "
ME was all against that, it is about diversity and humanity; because people think differently and look differently doesn't mean it's not possible to find a common ground to cooperat and understand each other without denyng our own rooth.
But at the end, ME use a concept that have no fact in human history.
Organic vs synthetic NEVER happened, we know racisme, we know wars, we know genocide, but never experienced organics vs synthetic in our history, only in game with quarian vs geths, and we treated it as any other races problem, and it worked the very same way in the game. At that time, ME stoped to have deep meaning, because it wasn't talking to us of things we know, only speculation that nobody experienced, and that is why many people can't be affected by synthetic vs organic concept the same way X race hate Y race.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 26 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[TamiBx]

Major Swift wrote...

@Hezz, and that is why i have stopped watching twitter as much as i used to lol *sigh* when in the hell was that EVER the key/main theme? that isn't what i took from ME as the theme *gives up on reading their twitter madness*

Omg, you actually listened to me! Hahaha. I knew one day you would give up on it 

[Ihatebadgames]

Hey people,what's new?

[Kyria Nyriese]

I quit following Twitter a couple weeks ago, got sick and tired of seeing all the annoying avoidance they constantly do with it.

[TamiBx]

xHezz90 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 I actually always knew that most people at Bioware prefered Synthesis. I mean, why would it be the hardest option to get/open if it wasn't the "best"? 

Honestly, I do not see how becoming half robot is good. <_<

How is that the hardest one to get though?
I would think the Shepard breathing one is harder since you need MP to get it.

But that's a "bonus" scene. Of all the choices, synthesis is the one that requires the most EMS. 

[g_bassi13]

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

*Double Face Palm*

No Gamble. That is not what the themes of Mass Effect are about. It's not even one of the themes. What the hell are you on about? Your team specifically made it a point to say how important diversity is to organics. It's the opposite of the theme of Mass Effect.

And though I bring this up continuosly, how the hell is the chain broken. Why the hell can't these cyborgs build their own synthetics to do work for them? They'll get lazy, and they'll build AI to do it. What's stopping them. And no I don't want  a stupid space magic explanation as to what is.

I'm going to do like Laterali and step outside before I feel like breaking something.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 26 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Laterali]

MeldarthX wrote...


I retweeted the top part you said   Mike's trolling on that - its because plotID was found not too long again that breaks the endings into two parts.......


Check......syth and contro  and checkmarked......Destroy - aka the game only cares if you pick Destory it doesn't care if you picked the other two.....and not its not to get Shep breathing.....

I saw that code earlier, it definitely is interesting. I just don't like speculating (god I'm really starting to hate that word) too early when there's so little information, and the information we do have is so ambiguous. I'm sceptical that they had all of this planned. More likely is they ran out of time due to EA pushing it out the door for that quick cash, and were crossing their fingers we wouldn't notice the **** ending they gave us.

At the very least, if they did have something planned, they wouldn't have gotten so defensive right away and pulled out the "artistic integrity" defense. They would have said, 'we've got something planned, stay tuned.'

They wouldn't have risked alienating their fanbase with such disdain if this was all planned from the beginning.

[Goodwood]

Hold the Line!

[Computim]

g_bassi13 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

*Double Face Palm*

No Gamble. That is not what the themes of Mass Effect are about. It's not even one of the themes. What the hell are you on about? Your team specifically made it a point to say how important diversity is to organics. It's the opposite of the theme of Mass Effect.

And though I bring this up continuosly, how the hell is the chain broken. Why the hell can't these cyborgs build their own synthetics to do work for them? They'll get lazy, and they'll build AI to do it. What's stopping them. And no I don't want  a stupid space magic explanation as to what is.

I'm going to do like Laterali and step outside before I feel like breaking something.

Some script kiddie will just program a computer virus that will wipe out the galaxy now... Thanks a lot Citadel Kid.

[Major Swift]

g_bassi13 wrote...

*Double Face Palm*

No Gamble. That is not what the themes of Mass Effect are about. It's not even one of the themes. What the hell are you on about? Your team specifically made it a point to say how important diversity is to organics. It's the opposite of the theme of Mass Effect.

And though I bring this up continuosly, how the hell is the chain broken. Why the hell can't these cyborgs build their own synthetics to do work for them? They'll get lazy, and they'll build AI to do it. What's stopping them. And no I don't want  a stupid space magic explanation as to what is.

I'm going to do like Laterali and step outside before I feel like breaking something.

lol yeah i know, my mind died trying to figure how this is even a theme when i never even got the impression, im watching some youtube stuff like for some laughs after that lol

[VivaLaWhatsername]

TamiBx wrote...


But that's a "bonus" scene. Of all the choices, synthesis is the one that requires the most EMS. 

Yeah I guess, and the destroy one is the only option if you don't have high enough ems eh?
*sigh*
Destroy is the only one that makes a little bit of sense though.

As stated several times as we all know
Control = TIM
Synthesis = Saren

[MeldarthX]

evisneffo wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...
I just don't see how sythesis is the "best" ending at all 

They probably got hooked on the "but there will be peace?" part. And peace is good, but what makes it an inevitable, logical consequence of merging all DNA in the galaxy? <_<

MeldarthX wrote...

*snip*

I really don't want to believe that BW planned this ****-up. The implications of it are repugnant in every way. You have been posting a lot of thoughts and evidence for it so I just wanted to ask: what does it mean for you? If they planned it, does that mean you're extremely optimistic about what they're coming up with? Are they forgiven for withholding the end of a game? Is this supposed to be a superb mind-screw? Is it a superb mind-screw that went wrong?

I don't mean to sound hostile. I'm just not sure where you're coming from with this.

No I wouldn't say alls forgiven - They took a major risk - they attempted to indoctrinate not just Shepard; but honestly they attempted to indoctrinate US the fans - to make choices we wouldn't consider normally - to get speculation - debate going.....

That part worked - they knew they'd have people hating - but they thought they'd also have enough time to finish out the real endings - partly because of the leaks.......partly because of time; EA is known for extremely tight deadlines....

Honestly if BW came clean and said they tried to do this - most fans would be ok - there would still be some ticked off - but honest communication that's what people want.  Thing is EA doesn't appologise for doing things - They did in the past - but not now with who's running the company.  EA won't let BW - yet the fastest way to actually resolve a lot of these issues is if they would communicate with their customers......

Its been extremely fun to watch this unfold - we've changed the rules of PR - and hopefully gaming in general.....for the better

[Major Swift]

gamble's reply to me https://twitter.com/...335942641426432

[TamiBx]

 https://twitter.com/...336189677535234

He's starting to sound like Jessica....

[Siegdrifa]

g_bassi13 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

 Uhm......OK? 

https://twitter.com/...329974390104064 

*Double Face Palm*

No Gamble. That is not what the themes of Mass Effect are about. It's not even one of the themes. What the hell are you on about? Your team specifically made it a point to say how important diversity is to organics. It's the opposite of the theme of Mass Effect.

And though I bring this up continuosly, how the hell is the chain broken. Why the hell can't these cyborgs build their own synthetics to do work for them? They'll get lazy, and they'll build AI to do it. What's stopping them. And no I don't want  a stupid space magic explanation as to what is.

I'm going to do like Laterali and step outside before I feel like breaking something.

Mr Gamble is to ME univers what Conrad Verner understand of Shepard actions as a specter ...

[Kyria Nyriese]

Goodwood wrote...

Hold the Line!

HUG ATTACK

[Goodwood]

Major Swift wrote...

gamble's reply to me https://twitter.com/...335942641426432

Oh jeezie.

Now he's just pulling excrement from his arse. Does he honestly put any sort of real thought into these tweets? When was the last time he picked up ME2 to play? How about ME1?

[Computim]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Mr Gamble is to ME univers what Conrad Verner understand of Shepard actions as a specter ...

Well then I guess all we can do is hope that Mr Gamble has a doctoral thesis in dark matter infusion and kickass endings.