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[Laterali]

One of the themes of course was the struggle between synthetics and organics, Reapers vs galaxy, Geth vs Quarians. But wasn't Shepard's themes more along the lines of, we can overcome insurmountable odds if we cooperate, and individual life is what makes the galaxy worth saving?

Choosing synthesis contradicts Shepard's themes.

[g_bassi13]

I know this is a scripted-ish promo interview, but I just love listening to the answers. The tone taken here by CD Projekt, and how it compares to what we've been getting from Bioware, it boggles the mind:

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically their point is; "If you make games people want, and then listen to their feedback about it, the people will want to buy your games again. For the people who bought our games, we owe it to them to reward them with what they deserve." How has this concept been lost in the gaming industry?

[Nharia1]

Computim wrote...
*rolls out the wetbar, bacarat tables, and jacuzzi*.  Challenge accepted

*looks at the stuff, then mutters to self* maybe I should break out the dart boards and targets...

[LethesDeep]

Laterali wrote...

One of the themes of course was the struggle between synthetics and organics, Reapers vs galaxy, Geth vs Quarians. But wasn't Shepard's themes more along the lines of, we can overcome insurmountable odds if we cooperate, and individual life is what makes the galaxy worth saving?

Choosing synthesis contradicts Shepard's themes.

To be fair, that's only half of Shep's themes since it's just Paragon Shep. Renegade Shep is more like "synthetics are tools and other races are pawns for us to use to further ourselves and make us dominant. After all, they do it too, so it's a universal fact." He's the "dominate" to Paragon!Shep's "cooperate".

[Kyria Nyriese]

Nharia1 wrote...

Computim wrote...
*rolls out the wetbar, bacarat tables, and jacuzzi*.  Challenge accepted

*looks at the stuff, then mutters to self* maybe I should break out the dart boards and targets...

Should make things much more interesting.

[Laterali]

LethesDeep wrote...

Laterali wrote...

One of the themes of course was the struggle between synthetics and organics, Reapers vs galaxy, Geth vs Quarians. But wasn't Shepard's themes more along the lines of, we can overcome insurmountable odds if we cooperate, and individual life is what makes the galaxy worth saving?

Choosing synthesis contradicts Shepard's themes.

To be fair, that's only half of Shep's themes since it's just Paragon Shep. Renegade Shep is more like "synthetics are tools and other races are pawns for us to use to further ourselves and make us dominant. After all, they do it too, so it's a universal fact." He's the "dominate" to Paragon!Shep's "cooperate".

Which still contradicts with synthesis. Renegade Shep would then choose control, he has the Reapers and their power and can make humans dominant with them. Synthesis would make humans equal to everyone else, which would go angainst Renegade Shep's motives.

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

Modifié par Laterali, 26 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[Darth Garrus]

That's it for tonight, my friends. Be good.

Hold the line!

[Major Swift]

Laterali wrote...

Which still contradicts with synthesis. Renegade Shep would then choose control, he has the Reapers and their power and can make humans dominant with them. Synthesis would make humans equal to everyone else, which would go angainst Renegade Shep's motives.

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

exactly, i try to forget its even there as its just so wrong in many ways and morally evil IMO

[Computim]

Major Swift wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Which still contradicts with synthesis. Renegade Shep would then choose control, he has the Reapers and their power and can make humans dominant with them. Synthesis would make humans equal to everyone else, which would go angainst Renegade Shep's motives.

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

exactly, i try to forget its even there as its just so wrong in many ways and morally evil IMO

My brother called it the maintenance shaft to the central core... Shepard quote "Should have tossed a hand grenade down it instead of jumped in it... he must have been depressed after all the crap with Citadel Kid"

[Missy_MI]

Laterali wrote...
Renegade Shep would then choose control, he has the Reapers and their power and can make humans dominant with them.

Wait I thought Shepard still dies in the Control ending? Is she a Reaper instead? I might consider picking that option if I knew what the heck the repercussions were.

[Laterali]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I know this is a scripted-ish promo
interview, but I just love listening to the answers. The tone taken here
by CD Projekt, and how it compares to what we've been getting from
Bioware, it boggles the mind:

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically
their point is; "If you make games people want, and then listen to
their feedback about it, the people will want to buy your games again.
For the people who bought our games, we owe it to them to reward them
with what they deserve." How has this concept been lost in the gaming
industry?

It
was lost with the industrialization of publishers, (EA, Activision). It
became less about making games because that's what the developers loved
to do, and more about making as much money with as little effort as
possible. Even developers and Exec's working at EA has said that
innovation has stagnated in the last decade in videogames. The industry
has found out that they can slap a number on a game, change a few
things, and sell it as a new title every year, and the masses will buy
it.

Which is why game like COD 4 and Madden 674 is so popular.
Long story short, gamers allowed this to happen. We sat back and ate
what they shoveled us with smiles on our faces. Now we're standing up to
them, and they are trying to pass us off as entitled whiners.

[kyg_20X6]

The Reapers are not synthetic, they are a result of 'synthesis'. They were behind the conflicts with the Geth in ME1 & 2. The Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars.

Synthesis = bad.

The Geth/Quarian conflict was a first (for this cycle). Neither knew how to respond. But either way, it doesn't show a cycle of synthetic domination: synthetics obtain sentience, creators hastily attempt put down, synthetics fight back, creators flee, synthetics don't pursue, synthetics maintain homeworlds hoping for peaceful creator return, synthetics don't communicate, creators expect world needs to be taken by force, war, both sides shown they can work together, peace. They came to this organically.

Synthesis = bad.

The only other major conflict was the Krogan Rebellions, a all-organic conflict the result of trying to play God (in reaction to Reaper interference with the Rachni). Shouldn't try to play God.

Synthesis = bad.

Just look at Earth. White nations fight each other. Black nations. Asian nations. Christians fight eachother. Muslims fight eachother. And these people were either born with these traits or came to them of their own accord. Synthesis forces a state on people. I can see clear as day the various people/species will split into pro-synthetic organics, pro-organic synthetics and their opponents. There'd be factionalism, strife and war. All with the pro-synthetic Reaper force flying around to top things off.

Synthesis = bad.

[schwarzaj]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Computim wrote...
*rolls out the wetbar, bacarat tables, and jacuzzi*.  Challenge accepted

*looks at the stuff, then mutters to self* maybe I should break out the dart boards and targets...

Should make things much more interesting.

I call dibs on the Blue Label:O

[schwarzaj]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

The Reapers are not synthetic, they are a result of 'synthesis'. They were behind the conflicts with the Geth in ME1 & 2. The Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars.

Synthesis = bad.

The Geth/Quarian conflict was a first (for this cycle). Neither knew how to respond. But either way, it doesn't show a cycle of synthetic domination: synthetics obtain sentience, creators hastily attempt put down, synthetics fight back, creators flee, synthetics don't pursue, synthetics maintain homeworlds hoping for peaceful creator return, synthetics don't communicate, creators expect world needs to be taken by force, war, both sides shown they can work together, peace. They came to this organically.

Synthesis = bad.

The only other major conflict was the Krogan Rebellions, a all-organic conflict the result of trying to play God (in reaction to Reaper interference with the Rachni). Shouldn't try to play God.

Synthesis = bad.

Just look at Earth. White nations fight each other. Black nations. Asian nations. Christians fight eachother. Muslims fight eachother. And these people were either born with these traits or came to them of their own accord. Synthesis forces a state on people. I can see clear as day the various people/species will split into pro-synthetic organics, pro-organic synthetics and their opponents. There'd be factionalism, strife and war. All with the pro-synthetic Reaper force flying around to top things off.

Synthesis = bad.

THANK GOD! I was afraid I'd be the only one who knew just how bad synthesis was at large.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

Laterali wrote...
*snip

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

exactly, i try to forget its even there as its just so wrong in many ways and morally evil IMO

Same here, infact the only option I would ever choose is destroy since that's what Shep set out to do since day one.

[g_bassi13]

Major Swift wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Which still contradicts with synthesis. Renegade Shep would then choose control, he has the Reapers and their power and can make humans dominant with them. Synthesis would make humans equal to everyone else, which would go angainst Renegade Shep's motives.

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

exactly, i try to forget its even there as its just so wrong in many ways and morally evil IMO

Weren't you listening to Gamble? 'Tis the best one.

[Nilofeliu]

xHezz90 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Laterali wrote...
*snip

Synthesis doesn't belong no matter what. It's actually the worst option of the 3.

exactly, i try to forget its even there as its just so wrong in many ways and morally evil IMO

Same here, infact the only option I would ever choose is destroy since that's what Shep set out to do since day one.

I totally agree..

Shame it's the only option I ever picked. I was so lost after the space kid dialogue that I had no clue what was what, so I kept on walking straight till I saw the light and my Sheppard decided to sprint forward. It was too late by then.

And ever since, I haven't had the courage or desire to even log in the game again..

/Salute

[g_bassi13]

schwarzaj wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

The Reapers are not synthetic, they are a result of 'synthesis'. They were behind the conflicts with the Geth in ME1 & 2. The Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars.

Synthesis = bad.

The Geth/Quarian conflict was a first (for this cycle). Neither knew how to respond. But either way, it doesn't show a cycle of synthetic domination: synthetics obtain sentience, creators hastily attempt put down, synthetics fight back, creators flee, synthetics don't pursue, synthetics maintain homeworlds hoping for peaceful creator return, synthetics don't communicate, creators expect world needs to be taken by force, war, both sides shown they can work together, peace. They came to this organically.

Synthesis = bad.

The only other major conflict was the Krogan Rebellions, a all-organic conflict the result of trying to play God (in reaction to Reaper interference with the Rachni). Shouldn't try to play God.

Synthesis = bad.

Just look at Earth. White nations fight each other. Black nations. Asian nations. Christians fight eachother. Muslims fight eachother. And these people were either born with these traits or came to them of their own accord. Synthesis forces a state on people. I can see clear as day the various people/species will split into pro-synthetic organics, pro-organic synthetics and their opponents. There'd be factionalism, strife and war. All with the pro-synthetic Reaper force flying around to top things off.

Synthesis = bad.

THANK GOD! I was afraid I'd be the only one who knew just how bad synthesis was at large.

Have you read the rest of the thread? lol.

[XXIceColdXX]

Major Swift wrote...

looks like he got attacked pretty quick https://twitter.com/...337018736259072 (i wonder why? )

Optimistically maybe destroy ending isnt the best in his opinion because to him the best is Shepard becoming indoctrinated? 

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

I know this is a scripted-ish promo
interview, but I just love listening to the answers. The tone taken here
by CD Projekt, and how it compares to what we've been getting from
Bioware, it boggles the mind:

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically
their point is; "If you make games people want, and then listen to
their feedback about it, the people will want to buy your games again.
For the people who bought our games, we owe it to them to reward them
with what they deserve." How has this concept been lost in the gaming
industry?

It
was lost with the industrialization of publishers, (EA, Activision). It
became less about making games because that's what the developers loved
to do, and more about making as much money with as little effort as
possible. Even developers and Exec's working at EA has said that
innovation has stagnated in the last decade in videogames. The industry
has found out that they can slap a number on a game, change a few
things, and sell it as a new title every year, and the masses will buy
it.

Which is why game like COD 4 and Madden 674 is so popular.
Long story short, gamers allowed this to happen. We sat back and ate
what they shoveled us with smiles on our faces. Now we're standing up to
them, and they are trying to pass us off as entitled whiners.

It was more of a rhetorical question, but that answer is on the money. It seems for every Skyrim out there, there's 2 Mass Effect 3s. One step forward, two steps back.

[Laterali]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

looks like he got attacked pretty quick https://twitter.com/...337018736259072 (i wonder why? )

Optimistically maybe destroy ending isnt the best in his opinion because to him the best is Shepard becoming indoctrinated? 

NOOOOOOO

[Nilofeliu]

Laterali wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

I know this is a scripted-ish promo
interview, but I just love listening to the answers. The tone taken here
by CD Projekt, and how it compares to what we've been getting from
Bioware, it boggles the mind:

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically
their point is; "If you make games people want, and then listen to
their feedback about it, the people will want to buy your games again.
For the people who bought our games, we owe it to them to reward them
with what they deserve." How has this concept been lost in the gaming
industry?

It
was lost with the industrialization of publishers, (EA, Activision). It
became less about making games because that's what the developers loved
to do, and more about making as much money with as little effort as
possible. Even developers and Exec's working at EA has said that
innovation has stagnated in the last decade in videogames. The industry
has found out that they can slap a number on a game, change a few
things, and sell it as a new title every year, and the masses will buy
it.

Which is why game like COD 4 and Madden 674 is so popular.
Long story short, gamers allowed this to happen. We sat back and ate
what they shoveled us with smiles on our faces. Now we're standing up to
them, and they are trying to pass us off as entitled whiners.

They are surely trying, but this movement has gone too far for them to just pretend we don't matter. This is our stand and hopefully every other gaming company is watching us say Enough is Enough.

I honestly do no believe EA/Bioware will do anything regarding ME3, but as long as we can prevent other companies from acting the same, I will call this a victory..

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 26 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

The Reapers are not synthetic, they are a result of 'synthesis'. They were behind the conflicts with the Geth in ME1 & 2. The Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars.

Synthesis = bad.
*snip*

OMG how could I forget that, you're right. Star brat says that the reapers were made from organics....thus making them NOT synthetic...which uhm...makes Mike Gamble's response to my tweet, not only demented but completely illogical.

Star brat COULD be lying sure, but it's still proven in ME2 with the fact the reapers were making a "Human reaper" by harvesting humans.

[chmarr]

there is only one option................shove a grenade down the starbrats throat........take a good few steps back and then shoot the shiznit out of the little freak untill it assplodes

[Major Swift]

chmarr wrote...

there is only one option................shove a grenade down the starbrats throat........take a good few steps back and then shoot the shiznit out of the little freak untill it assplodes

have to make sure its the holy hand grenade lol :lol: