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[DeinonSlayer]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...
OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?
Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.
I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Exactly, it defeats the point of even saving most characters. All it amounts to is they can a cruel ending so they can serve as assets to take back Earth and the universe gets messed up either way. Turns everyone into statistics and expects you to suddenly start caring more about Earth than everyone you've grown to care for along the way.
Since the ending is going to be a shade of cruel either way and you know Bioware will just explain it away if they ever do another game based after Mass Effect 3, it smashes the replay value into a million pieces.

There's no arguing your last point. I fail to see how it "clears the slate" or sets us up for a new game in the universe since they're just different enough that Bioware would be forced to pick one as "canon."
It's like Bioware decided that selflessness is the only definition of heroism. Audie Murphy and Nikolai Tesla were both heroes in their own right. The former didn't have to die to prove that, and the latter didn't have to sacrifice himself either to become one of the most influential figures in human history.

[GDK]

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2. Then instead of a straight up fight, which again the entire series led up to, we get a magic gun from the protheans that allow us to:

a) Destroy the Reapers and all their tech - leaving Shepard either dead or alive and the Normandy stranded on a backwater planet with little hope of retreival.

Control the Reapers - in which Shepard becomes the new Guardian, and is forever trapped within the Citadel and the cycle continues in 50,000 years. The Normandy is stranded on a distant world and the Relays are destroyed.

c) Merge - we all get turned into cyborgs and Shepard becomes goo on the floor of the Citadel, the Relays are destroyed and the Normandy is stranded on the bloody world in the middle of no where.

Do you see the trend here. No matter what we do, no matter how we choose to go, all roads lead to the same place. The Relays destroyed, Galactic Civilization set back hundreds if not thousands of years, Shepard most likely dead or might as well be dead, and the Normandy stuck on some backwater planet in the middle of no where.

Now Shepard can die, I'm cool with that, kind of expected that. The Normandy can be destroyed, kinda expected that as well. However, I expected us to save Galactic Civilization, not pretty much force everyone to start all over again.

I also expected there to be the possibility that the Reapers would win, and the cycle would continue. Which at this point I would be happier with than the choices I currently have.

You do not understand the key plot of ME3 because you havent' played it.

The Technology Singularity is the key.

The Technological Singularity is something which 'could' happen with the development cycle of the organic races.  Which is why the Reapers came through every 50,000 years and wiped out space faring civilization.

In two of those choices, the chances are even higher of technological singularity than in the third.  However, again, that was not what the plot of the two other games led us to believe.  It was a simple heroes journey, from start to finish, now at the end of the journey we find that we were all wrong, and it was really a statement about technology getting out of hand? 

To quote the movie Wag the Dog, "You don't change horses mid stream" which is exactly what Bioware did.

That said, you're right I haven't played the game yet, and this could all be moot when I do, and if it is, then that will be a wonderful thing, however, as things look right now, my point is valid.

The plot was there, you could see it, granted it wa ssupposed to be about dark energy but they re-evaluated it and it fits. The Reapers are caretakers. Surely the unknown reason for their existence and harvesting had to have crossed your mind at some point.

I'm sorry. But this is BULL.

Unless you played diffent games, the Mass Effect games that I know and love (more than any other games) were about your journey as a hero, uniting the galaxy,  exploring the ever changing world of exciting technology, and building relationships with people you care about. Oh, and stopping machines hell bent on obliterating all.

So now:
-Your "hero" gets to die killing the Reapers, but screwing everyone else
-The galaxy, united for a brief second, is shattered without hope of repair or re-connection
-Our technology is not only gone, but apparently was the "real evil" in the mass effect unverse
-Oh, and everyone you care about is stranded/starving/dying/inbreeding

This was not what Mass Effect was.

Modifié par GDK, 03 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[HiddenKING]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...

NaPo1eon wrote...

I poured a cup of apple juice and accidentally spilled it....
so I poured a cup of orange juice, and god damnit, spilled it...
finally I poured a cup of strawberry kiwi juice and that spilled too....

No matter what juice I had, it spilled anyway.

I don't think you know how to pour.

Yeah, make sure the cup has a bottom.

You should try pineapple juice.

[Rdubs]

Aesieru wrote...

You do not understand the key plot of ME3 because you havent' played it.

The Technology Singularity is the key.

I hear you but it seems to me that any story whose ending relies on introducing a brand new, never-alluded-to-before surprise element at the 11th hour isn't a strong plot.  I've read people type up three paragraph summaries in this thread of how they would have ended this, pulled completely out of their asses, which sound better than what we're getting - Tech Singularity included.  It seems like instead what happened is they were like, okay guys here is where we are at the end of ME2; here is where we need to go to reset the universe and set stuff up for the next element in the ME franchise; now all we need is something to fill the gap.  Out poops things like Tech Singularity and space magic.

For a while I thought the Reaper problem was going to be solved by either 1) a massive committment of all galactic resources or 2) some kind of new thing invented BASED ON something already alluded to.  For example, Dark Energy.  Remember that, and the whole "Haestom sun destablizing" thing?  But no, instead we get brand new crap pulled out of Mac and others' behind unrelated to anything.  Trust me, I hear what you're saying, it's just on the strong creativity / weak creativity scale it leans towards the less-strong side.

Modifié par Rdubs, 03 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[Tric]

Joescrab wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read... What's the point to living if we all die in the end? That's exactly what you're saying

Well, life doesn't give you the opportunity to go through it multiple times with differente looks, personalities and ideals nor save files for that matter.
Unless I got a nerfed version, in that case could someone tell me where I can pick up the better one?

Modifié par SomethingSome, 03 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[bowery tuff]

Forgive me if this has already been answered but it seems that a fleet representing the galactic community takes on the Reapers above Earth. With the relays destroyed does that mean the races are stuck in the Sol System? If so, it's a good thing Earth's population just took a nose dive! Also, in regards to starving to death, if the Flotilla's life ship is in the battle, isn't that a steady stream of food for the Quarians stuck there? Granted they'll need to make another one of those bad boys for the Turians, but still, that's something. Also, Shepard is still in the Sol System, yes? If he/she does survive, what's to say one of those ships can't pick him up? Just to be clear, I am a bit disturbed by the leak endings but I am still playing the game and I do hope there are more options or that perhaps I'll be cool with everything once I see them. If not, poop. But that's something to hold onto I guess.

[RazorrX]

IF the quarians are there they have a live ship or two with them. IF those survived, then they and the Turians have food.

[Karrie788]

Joescrab wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?

Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.

I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read... What's the point to living if we all die in the end? That's exactly what you're saying

That's... not what I'm saying, no. I don't think that's comparable. We're supposed to be playing a game in which, in the end, choices matter. Turns out that those choices are just different roads to get to the same bitter ending. A bitter ending that I happen to hate, and for which I am not willing to spend my money. That's it.

[bowery tuff]

Sweet. Thanks. As for the AI being destroyed, that's simple. That's my revenge against Joker killing me AGAIN! I'll just add this scene in my mind.
EDI: Joker, incoming transmission from Commander Shepard.
Shepard: Hey, dude. So thanks for leaving me on this hellhole. Listen, I just wanted to say there are no hard feelings and that I hope everything works out for you. Nah, I'm kidding. EAT THIS!
EDI shuts down.

It's not much, but it brings a bit of a smile to my face. 

[Rdubs]

Karrie788 wrote...
We're supposed to be playing a game in which, in the end, choices matter. Turns out that those choices are just different roads to get to the same bitter ending.

+1
Like I said, the TRUE test of whether or not people really believe their choices mattered at all in this game (as we have been led along along to believe) is going to be how much people playthough ME and ME2 again.  If I had an ending I liked - no scratch that, RESPECTED - in ME3, I'd be playing those two prior games through all the time because what an awesome story.  But if it's like nothing you do really matters and everything is pre-canned, you're not going to see anyone replay the first two games because it will be like "what's the point." 

[Clumsy Astronaut]

I find it hard to believe these spoilers are 100% true, but if they are they will have sunk something of titanic proportions. I will still get the game but nothing more until my happy ending DLC comes out.

[DeinonSlayer]

The whole thing just feels like a betrayal. For three games we've been fighting to preserve this civilization, to protect the people we've been groomed to care about... and ultimately, we're forced to decide how to destroy it. There's nothing "deep" or "artistic" about that. It's just cruel.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 03 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[albertalad]

glenboy24 wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Me personally - I standing by the I AM KROGAN guy's post earlier. He wrote: Let me preempt the future onslaught of accusations by making it clear that I haven't played Mass Effect 3, nor do I have any inside knowledge of the endings. I have, however, seen the Prima strategy guide. How? I work at a large electronics retailer and we received the guides yesterday.

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." Second, it states that the endings are different based on whether or not you kept the Collector's Base in ME2. It says if you don't import a character it assumes you destroyed the base. Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." Now, to me, that implies that the special ending doesn't involve Shepard dying or the Normandy crashing for no apparent reason. How else could you visit Liara unless you survived the end of the game?

I took pictures of the relevant page in the guide with my phone but I'm having difficulty uploading them to my pc. I have an LG Dare... and it sucks. I'll keep trying.

Why hasn't anyone seen this ending? Not sure. My guess is that Bioware is smarter than we think and didn't allow anyone but devs to see it. Perhaps the space edition is not the full game. I highly doubt Prima messed up their guide so badly as to list parts of the game that don't exist. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know that it might be wise to not cancel your Collector's Edition preorders.
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Moreover he uploaded the photos to prove his point I have seen on photo bucket!

Thanks for reposting this. It doesn't exactly instill in me a massive degree of hope, but at least it gives a small glimmer that the endings we have been presented aren't what they seem, i.e. not the "True" Heroic Ending. (Note: I understand that the definition of "Heroic Ending" will differ among the fanbase) I'll admit, I'm equally curious as to what this "Special" is. I've read that the fish becomes a special War Resource, if so that's rather interesting and nothing short of hilariously rediculous (in a good way) right up there with Boo the Space Hamster. Lastly, I would rather like to see this Photo-Bucket account you mentioned with these images. I've yet to find a link. 

I"m trying to find that post again - its about 20 or so pages back.

[recentio]

Rdubs wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...
We're supposed to be playing a game in which, in the end, choices matter. Turns out that those choices are just different roads to get to the same bitter ending.

+1
Like I said, the TRUE test of whether or not people really believe their choices mattered at all in this game (as we have been led along along to believe) is going to be how much people playthough ME and ME2 again.  If I had an ending I liked - no scratch that, RESPECTED - in ME3, I'd be playing those two prior games through all the time because what an awesome story.  But if it's like nothing you do really matters and everything is pre-canned, you're not going to see anyone replay the first two games because it will be like "what's the point." 

I don't know. I really like the first two games and intend to play them instead of ME3. The first two still had good endings, and LotSB is just way too much fun. I'd rank it with my favorite movies easily for entertainment value. 

[Sashimi_taco]

http://www.escapistm...gon-Age-2-Sales

Was just thinking about DA2 and how bioware migth have learned from it. Maybe DA2 sold well, it did get reviews with as mush as 94/100. Nope, barely sold half as much as Dragon age origins.

If the endings we know of right now are true, then how likely to you think the same thing will happen? I still have faith that the game will be tons of fun right up intill the end. In fact i think many people who have never played the games before will think its great because they never connected to the characters and got emotionally attached to them.

[Rdubs]

What will be REALLY interesting to see is how the gaming magazines and website reviews handle this. It's going to be very tricky. I have no doubt that the gameplay and user interface will be the best of the 3. Most things leading up to the ending are going to be very good. But then when you get to the ending and it's different colors of poo for everyone - that will tank the fans, but will it tank the ratings? My feeling is it only will if the person rating it has an emotional attachment to his Shepard and characters the way true fans do. Much less than that and they're going to be like, "great gameplay, 'interesting' twist at the end." I guess just watch for variations of the word "interesting" to describe the end, and when you read that know the reviewer was thinking, 8 years and hundreds of hours of gameplay to end like that?

Edit: true fans DO, not due.

Modifié par Rdubs, 03 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[xtorma]

Aesieru wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

GDK wrote...

See,  TOTALLY get that. So I understand where BW got the idea... but if the Reapers are GONE at the end... why would their old trap matter?

Symbolism. The reapers "gave" us the technology if were gonna be free from their genocide we must make our own path. I understand you would prefer a pragmatic choice but the symbolic aproach makes sense from a literary point of view.

Think of it as a "coming of age"  for the galaxy, you have to leave your parents house to make a future of your own (although these "parents" are genocidal aliens i this case )

The relays also prevent the need for diverging from that technology and developing different technologies.

how does it prevent it once you find out the truth? do the relays mind control civilizations? why can't the races say...ok we know the trap...now we can start finding other ways to travel , and a way to shut down the relays once we develop it?

Are the reapers physically attached to the relays by some unknown technology, and when they die the relays die?

Because of what you're doing right now, even though you know they're a trap you still want to use them and if you do you'll see no reason to go past them, eventually you'll develop more AI's (you've already done it anyway) and they will expand, eventually devour all resources over a period of time and galactic life will end and synthetic life will be all that's left.

Good bye organics.

But the trap no longer has teeth , or a spring. and what is to stop people from creating AI now, just because they can't travel? Did the destruction of the relays make everyone stupid?

[blueruin]

Some Jack dialogue with others in ME3:

[albertalad]

albertalad wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Me personally - I standing by the I AM KROGAN guy's post earlier. He wrote: Let me preempt the future onslaught of accusations by making it clear that I haven't played Mass Effect 3, nor do I have any inside knowledge of the endings. I have, however, seen the Prima strategy guide. How? I work at a large electronics retailer and we received the guides yesterday.

First, the guide clearly states that there is a "secret" ending for those who've finished a New Game+. Whether this ending is a supplemental cut-scene or some new choice remains to be seen. The guide doesn't show screenshots or give many details due to "not wanting to spoil too much." Second, it states that the endings are different based on whether or not you kept the Collector's Base in ME2. It says if you don't import a character it assumes you destroyed the base. Third, there's apparently a "special reward available only to players who imported a save from Mass Effect 2 with the Prejek Paddlefish purchased by Commander Shepard. If the Prejek Paddlefish survives through all of Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 New Game Plus, visit Liara's quarters aboard the Normandy for a very special intel bonus." Now, to me, that implies that the special ending doesn't involve Shepard dying or the Normandy crashing for no apparent reason. How else could you visit Liara unless you survived the end of the game?

I took pictures of the relevant page in the guide with my phone but I'm having difficulty uploading them to my pc. I have an LG Dare... and it sucks. I'll keep trying.

Why hasn't anyone seen this ending? Not sure. My guess is that Bioware is smarter than we think and didn't allow anyone but devs to see it. Perhaps the space edition is not the full game. I highly doubt Prima messed up their guide so badly as to list parts of the game that don't exist. Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know that it might be wise to not cancel your Collector's Edition preorders.
-------

Moreover he uploaded the photos to prove his point I have seen on photo bucket!

Thanks for reposting this. It doesn't exactly instill in me a massive degree of hope, but at least it gives a small glimmer that the endings we have been presented aren't what they seem, i.e. not the "True" Heroic Ending. (Note: I understand that the definition of "Heroic Ending" will differ among the fanbase) I'll admit, I'm equally curious as to what this "Special" is. I've read that the fish becomes a special War Resource, if so that's rather interesting and nothing short of hilariously rediculous (in a good way) right up there with Boo the Space Hamster. Lastly, I would rather like to see this Photo-Bucket account you mentioned with these images. I've yet to find a link. 

I"m trying to find that post again - its about 20 or so pages back.

Here's the link I promised: http://s1256.photobu...8/cleanslate84/

[Mixorz]

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

[Sashimi_taco]

The fish is not going to give you the special ending you want and you all know it. It is just going to be some silly easter egg.

[mass_zotz]

bowery tuff wrote...

Sweet. Thanks. As for the AI being destroyed, that's simple. That's my revenge against Joker killing me AGAIN! I'll just add this scene in my mind.
EDI: Joker, incoming transmission from Commander Shepard.
Shepard: Hey, dude. So thanks for leaving me on this hellhole. Listen, I just wanted to say there are no hard feelings and that I hope everything works out for you. Nah, I'm kidding. EAT THIS!
EDI shuts down.

It's not much, but it brings a bit of a smile to my face. 

Hahahah

[DifferentD17]

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

This is the original one. 350+ pages of people complaing about the end and you should have more say than them?

[albertalad]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The fish is not going to give you the special ending you want and you all know it. It is just going to be some silly easter egg.

Its not just the fish alone its also the base I keep blowing up everytime!

[RazorrX]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

http://www.escapistm...gon-Age-2-Sales

Was just thinking about DA2 and how bioware migth have learned from it. Maybe DA2 sold well, it did get reviews with as mush as 94/100. Nope, barely sold half as much as Dragon age origins.

If the endings we know of right now are true, then how likely to you think the same thing will happen? I still have faith that the game will be tons of fun right up intill the end. In fact i think many people who have never played the games before will think its great because they never connected to the characters and got emotionally attached to them.

it is well known that word of mouth hurt dragon age 2.  The initial presales were the bulk  of the sales, within weeks the sales dropped significantly.

Who knows what will happen with ME3.  I keep hoping the endings are not what we think and that they will be better but if not, I know I will be telling my friends 'don't buy, rent".