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[kyg_20X6]

Reapers remind me of a cult. They go around ****ing **** up, brainwashing people. You've fought some of their prominent members - Saren & TIM - dismissed their nutso ideas. Decided to put an end to the cult. Every sane person's behind you. You run into the cult leader who suddenly has you going: "Nah man, I didn't come here to put a bullet in your head. And you're right dude, synthesis would be awesome for everyone! And you really think I'd actually be special enough to control the Reapers, just like you? Wow! Hey, is that Kool-Aid!?"

[Laterali]

Major Swift wrote...

Laterali wrote...

It was something like (paraphrasing) Synthesis is the best, One of main themes in ME is struggle between synthetics and organics. Synthesis resolves issue.

yeah that sounds a bit like it, with the "there would just be life" at the end because i remember that clearly

That was a different tweet, which he didn't delete.It's still on his twitter...page, board....whatever that's called.

[RussianOrc]

KaiserinKai wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Did he started playing from ME3 or did he played all the way from ME1?

He played all 3 games.

Are you sure he's not a bioware employee*-*?(kidding)xD
Anyway, ask him to explain the ending to me then, maybe he can convince me it doesn't sucks.

[KaiserinKai]

RussianOrc wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Did he started playing from ME3 or did he played all the way from ME1?

He played all 3 games.

Are you sure he's not a bioware employee*-*?(kidding)xD
Anyway, ask him to explain the ending to me then, maybe he can convince me it doesn't sucks.

No he isn't... I'm still confused, how can he see a self admitted Deux Ex Machina as a good ending...

[Computim]

KaiserinKai wrote...

No he isn't... I'm still confused, how can he see a self admitted Deux Ex Machina as a good ending...

I actually didn't mind Deus Ex's latest ending... it kinda fit with the gameplay... not the pinnacle of story telling, could have had a lot better climax there, but it wasn't BAD.. it didn't discard the entire point of the game... now if you had of gone and talked to a computer that told you that you were actually a robot all along programmed to think you were a human and then got damaged and repaired and now thought you were half robohuman I might have been like "...that makes no sense!"

[Major Swift]

@Laterali, oh yeah your right, I figure that's how he thinks synthesis solves all though, no more just synthetics/organics, just the same life (I can't fathom this kind of thinking/ how losing all the diversity etc is "good")

[Computim]

Major Swift wrote...

@Laterali, oh yeah your right, I figure that's how he thinks synthesis solves all though, no more just synthetics/organics, just the same life (I can't fathom this kind of thinking/ how losing all the diversity etc is "good")

Kinda argument I usually expect to hear from a skinhead... which is actually kind of frightening when you stop to think about it.

[GuardianAngel470]

Computim wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

No he isn't... I'm still confused, how can he see a self admitted Deux Ex Machina as a good ending...

I actually didn't mind Deus Ex's latest ending... it kinda fit with the gameplay... not the pinnacle of story telling, could have had a lot better climax there, but it wasn't BAD.. it didn't discard the entire point of the game... now if you had of gone and talked to a computer that told you that you were actually a robot all along programmed to think you were a human and then got damaged and repaired and now thought you were half robohuman I might have been like "...that makes no sense!"

He's refering to the literary plot device/cop out, not the video game series.

[GuardianAngel470]

Major Swift wrote...

@Laterali, oh yeah your right, I figure that's how he thinks synthesis solves all though, no more just synthetics/organics, just the same life (I can't fathom this kind of thinking/ how losing all the diversity etc is "good")

I can't fathom how it would ever work, or how any HUMAN BEING could think it would work.

Are we not all the same species? Are we all not fudamentally the same creature? Do we not fight wars over religion, ideology, and race? Why would any HUMAN BEING think this would solve anything?

[Laterali]

I just wish they'd be able to discuss things with us without getting so defensive and feeling attacked. I'd love to hear why he feels synthesis is the best ending in more than 140 words or less or whatever twitter limits you to.

[Astralify]

Laterali wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...308506214187008

this doesn't sound promising. So completely going against Shepard's character and siding with the Illusive Man after fighting him for 30 hours, or changing every individual's dna against their will is better than destroy to him.

What the @#*$?   This is BUL*SH!T! Synthesis goes against  EVERYTHING! And it's the most stupid thing ever... Oh god... 

Laterali wrote...
They must have forgotten the dialogue with Mordin in ME2 where he says culture and civilization would stagnate if merged with synthetics.

Or the part where Shepard tells the star brat that being an organic and having freedom of choice is the most important thing of all.

Or the part when Javik tells Shepard that a civilization that merged with synthetics tore itself apart then tried to kill everyone in the galaxy.

Or the part....

I could seriously go on for hours. They should go back and play their games so they can see how stupid they sound when they pick synthesis.

You are absolutely right!

Modifié par Astralify, 26 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[Computim]

Laterali wrote...

I just wish they'd be able to discuss things with us without getting so defensive and feeling attacked. I'd love to hear why he feels synthesis is the best ending in more than 140 words or less or whatever twitter limits you to.

Agreed!

Anywho, I am off to bed.  Hold the line all!  Hopefully one of the writers will write up some sort of non-inflamatory piece once this is all over and they won't give spoilers.

Nite

[RussianOrc]

KaiserinKai wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

Did he started playing from ME3 or did he played all the way from ME1?

He played all 3 games.

Are you sure he's not a bioware employee*-*?(kidding)xD
Anyway, ask him to explain the ending to me then, maybe he can convince me it doesn't sucks.

No he isn't... I'm still confused, how can he see a self admitted Deux Ex Machina as a good ending...

To be honest if that wasn't the end of the  Mass Effect  trilogy it wouldn't be that bad, i mean, the ending of ME2 had almost no variations aside some dialogue choices with TIM and surviving or not characters,then you ask me why it's ending was so much more satisfying than ME3's?Because it wasn't the end of the history, the ending of ME2 was satisfying only  because you knew there would be a ME3.
What i think bioware did wrong was to apply the same formula they've been using so far at the end of the history, that made it sound a like a big "This is the end.DEAL WITH IT".

Modifié par RussianOrc, 26 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[Laterali]

https://twitter.com/...1673728/photo/1

A tweet that doesn't make me cringe, but actually smile.

And with that it's almost midnight, I should probably go to bed.

[RussianOrc]

3am here.
Hackett out.

[MAXinsanity409]

Laterali wrote...

https://twitter.com/...1673728/photo/1

A tweet that doesn't make me cringe, but actually smile.

And with that it's almost midnight, I should probably go to bed.

Heehee.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Laterali wrote...

https://twitter.com/...1673728/photo/1

A tweet that doesn't make me cringe, but actually smile.

And with that it's almost midnight, I should probably go to bed.

Hahaha that's brilliant. And it's only midnight? 

[Goodwood]

Just hold the line until the end. Because we will give them hell...

[CuseGirl]

KaiserinKai wrote...

I had a run in with an ending lover.

He argued that a Deux Ex Machina is a perfectly acceptable way to end a story.

He also said that once the star kid calls you up, time can all of a sudden have no meaning, so the Normandy's escape makes perfect sense.

He also said that Control and Synthesis are fine, ideas change, so what if the Illusive Man and Saren wanted that, He says he believes they turned out to be right.

He also said that the whole strength through diversity thing was not a theme. Just because one guy says it (Javik), that doesn't mean it is true. He feels that all the endings fit perfectly in a thematic sense.

He also doesn't think there are any plotholes.

He also believes that the synthesis ending makes perfect sense, that science changes and that in the future, instant evolution could be very possible.

I brought up the changing every being against their will argument..he agreed for a bit...then said that if someone doesn't want to live that way, they can commit suicide.

He believes Synthesis to be the Golden Ending.

No this wasn't a troll, he argues all of this with a straight face and believes the ending was great, he beat the reapers and was happy... said I wasn't happy cause I didn't get exactly what I wanted....At least he agreed that the Starkid's organic synthetic circular logic made no sense...He also isn't against optional ending DLC for those who don't like the ending...

Note, I do not agree with him what so ever, I'm just very confused at his way of thinking.

He can't "think" there aren't plotholes, that's not a subjective thing....he can like the ending, that's cool. But if he's going to admit to liking it, he has to admit that following your narrative is irrelevant to achieving enjoyment with a story.

[Laterali]

http://vonman.devian...Comic-296412758

ok last one. Now I'm going to bed.



In all honesty I'll probably be lurking on here for the next 3 hours....

[CuseGirl]

RussianOrc wrote...
To be honest if that wasn't the end of the  Mass Effect  trilogy it wouldn't be that bad, i mean, the ending of ME2 had almost no variations aside some dialogue choices with TIM and surviving or not characters,then you ask me why it's ending was so much more satisfying than ME3's?Because it wasn't the end of the history, the ending of ME2 was satisfying only  because you knew there would be a ME3.
What i think bioware did wrong was to apply the same formula they've been using so far at the end of the history, that made it sound a like a big "This is the end.DEAL WITH IT".

I'll be honest, I don't like the fact that the media has a consensus that "ME fans don't like the ending because it really doesn't take into account all of their choices." Because once you make that statement, it lets Bioware off the hook: "Well, they bit off more than they could chew" type statements follow. Then people bring up ME-1 and ME-2 and say "well, those endings didn't have a lot of variation either" and the next thing you know, ME fans are whiny entitled brats who can't comprehend how hard it is to make a video game.

No, the reason ME fans are upset about the endings are because the lack of narrative coherence/cohesion creates a pandora's boxload of problems. Basically "bad writing in the ending" = a minimum of 40 some odd problems with the ending. Then it becomes a free-for-all to what exactly ails each player.

Yes, ONE of the issues is that our choices largely didn't matter. But the real issue is they introduced a literary Deus Ex Machina in the form of an ACTUAL Deus Ex Machina.

[Nharia1]

Goodwood wrote...

Just hold the line until the end. Because we will give them hell...

... *starts to cry, for the first time in weeks* Ah geez, she's always been really good, but I've got to say that's like her best one yet...

[Goodwood]

Looks like our national Hold the Line banners are offline until May. We've overwhelmed Photobucket!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Goodwood wrote...

Looks like our national Hold the Line banners are offline until May. We've overwhelmed Photobucket!

Haha it's not hard to overwhelm photobucket.

[Atrocity]

xHezz90 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Looks like our national Hold the Line banners are offline until May. We've overwhelmed Photobucket!

Haha it's not hard to overwhelm photobucket.

Yup, that's why I put the banner on my account, figured there's less traffic that way.