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[TamiBx]

 Good morning, everyone~!

I have survivied. Hahaha  

But anyways, did they say anything else about the Organic vs Synthetic stuff? (Still can't believe they're saying that's the main theme) 

[Goodwood]

TamiBx wrote...

 Good morning, everyone~!

I have survivied. Hahaha  

But anyways, did they say anything else about the Organic vs Synthetic stuff? (Still can't believe they're saying that's the main theme) 

Tami! HUG ATTACK!

Other than Mike Gamble spitting the dummy, there hasn't been any real news.

[Major Swift]

TamiBx wrote...

 Good morning, everyone~!

I have survivied. Hahaha  

But anyways, did they say anything else about the Organic vs Synthetic stuff? (Still can't believe they're saying that's the main theme) 

lol welcome back! and no, just what was said last night

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Major Swift wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Good morning, everyone~!

I have survivied. Hahaha  

But anyways, did they say anything else about the Organic vs Synthetic stuff? (Still can't believe they're saying that's the main theme) 

lol welcome back! and no, just what was said last night

It is his personal opinion... but then agiain the personal opinion of the games producer might be more important than the office cleaning staffs opinion on the endings...

[g_bassi13]

Major Swift wrote...

* uses one of these on thread http://www.blogcdn.c...ection-time.jpg lol*
@chmarr, well struggle of organics and synthetics was apparently a major theme throughout the games so it doesn't surprise me (though i still can't see this theme being so big)

It came up, but not in the context that the Starkid, Bioware, and Gamble mention it has. Using the geth as a frame of reference, you see that the first conflict with the quarains was out of self defense. The second (That of ME1) was due to reaper's influence itself. As was the third... And after all that it still ended in peace. Like I said earlier, what the hell are they on about with these statements?

And if this is all some BS about "grey goo" and the such, then they can stuff it. That's never what the game was about. If it was, none of us would have been playing it.

[Goodwood]

Okay, so here's a bit of much-needed levity, methinks:

The Mako of Skyrim!

[chmarr]

DistantUtopia wrote...

The more that I think about it, the more I realize no one is really getting the ending we want

If EA really wants to continue the ME franchise as a number of us speculate, then there HAS to be a default ending; one which will happen no matter what.

*cue blowing up Relays, Shepard dead, etc.*

No matter what we do in ME3, there will always be that one little thing which happens, regardless if Starchild is there or not. And that suddenly depresses the hell out of me...

what you dont relise is that is the mass effect franchise was built around shepard, killing him kills the franchise.

ME cannot go on without shepard being invol;ved at some point or the player is shepard.

shepard is like the unoffical mascot of bioware now.

shepard is not dead, THAT much has been hinted at in ALL the tweets from gamble, jessica etc etc etc.

BUT with me i take the tweets with a pack of salt, everything said then and now all contradict each other so misinformation is at hand as well

[DJBare]

Goodwood wrote...

Okay, so here's a bit of much-needed levity, methinks:

The Mako of Skyrim!

43 people lack a sense of humor.
Thanks for sharing Goodwood.

[toffeetrooper]

de-lurking

i got the impression ME was about unity and survival against all odds, the age old story of david v golliath, overcoming prejudice and culral diversity. but what do i know?

that said time for work, i will see you all later on

[Major Swift]

lmao!!!! some bs happening somewhere
:lol:

[Siegdrifa]

Major Swift wrote...

gorgoth wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

* uses one of these on thread http://www.blogcdn.c...ection-time.jpg lol*
@chmarr, well struggle of organics and synthetics was apparently a major theme throughout the games so it doesn't surprise me (though i still can't see this theme being so big)

When the main enemy is a giant robot squid it will always be a theme. But the reapers never come off as struggling against organics. What they’re doing is coming off more like a child doing its chores; they never once think they won’t win easily. This is where the idea of the main theme being organics vs. synthetics falls flat. The organic vs. synthetics theme seems to be a byproduct of the main story line not the reason for it.

exactly, i never really went "oh so organics vs sythetics, this is the main theme" playing any of the games, never even crossed my mind to be honest, like ive said before overcoming impossible odds by working together/similar things to this is what i perceived as a/the major theme

Exactly, ME lore offer tones of wars story, the first contact wars, the rachnis wars, the krogan rebelion, the blits, elisyum etc, but NONE about synthetics always rebelling and fighting their creators, only quarians vs geths is here, and it doesn't appear more important than the genophage or how the terminus system is a dangerous place for human colony and hostile toward citadell space.
Futher more, the quarians vs geths is treated as any other race vs race conflict, and it is solved the same, what can confuse the player as "well, even with synthetic life we can etablish cooperation and friendship, Legion ? EDI ? you agree ?".

A theme is not hidden until the very end of a trilogie, organics vs synthetic is not the main theme of ME trilogie, it's at best the justification for the ending.

I was stupid to belive ME theme was a needed coorperation between different race because we needed each strengh (the martial turian armada, the strengh and fighting spirit of the krogan, the economic support of volus, the efficiency of rachni worker etc) to face the greates crize of the galaxy.
Nope... there was no tolerence message, no deep stuff about working hard to make X race cooperation with Y race.
Preserving differences for their intrest and their right to exist have nothing to do with ME teaching, nope, apparently, ME moral was only about "to remove problem, remove difference, LOL".
Giving the same kind of DNA don't offer peace, because conflict doesn't come from DNA, it come from motive, intrest, perspective, motivation.

So, everytime those people mention "we have awesome stuff for the future", sorry i don't care, because i didn't understand their game trilogie it seems, and i don't find their reboot of "skynet will kill us all" intresting and having deep meaning to beging with, it's just speculation that nobody experienced, not like wars, racisme, alliance, the things in ME that actualy talk to people and make sens because our human nature and history know it very well.

[Major Swift]

Siegdrifa wrote...
*snip*
Giving the same kind of DNA don't offer peace, because conflict doesn't come from DNA, it come from motive, intrest, perspective, motivation.
*snip*

and that is the truth, synthesis would not solve this

[Laterali]

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

[DJBare]

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[Major Swift]

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

which ones are gone if you can remember? I'll have to look again, and yeah i know it was just that he said "throughout ME" sure it was there in the background but it wasn't that big to justify synthesis off of

[GroverA125]

chmarr wrote...

DistantUtopia wrote...

The more that I think about it, the more I realize no one is really getting the ending we want

If EA really wants to continue the ME franchise as a number of us speculate, then there HAS to be a default ending; one which will happen no matter what.

*cue blowing up Relays, Shepard dead, etc.*

No matter what we do in ME3, there will always be that one little thing which happens, regardless if Starchild is there or not. And that suddenly depresses the hell out of me...

what you dont relise is that is the mass effect franchise was built around shepard, killing him kills the franchise.

ME cannot go on without shepard being invol;ved at some point or the player is shepard.

shepard is like the unoffical mascot of bioware now.

shepard is not dead, THAT much has been hinted at in ALL the tweets from gamble, jessica etc etc etc.

BUT with me i take the tweets with a pack of salt, everything said then and now all contradict each other so misinformation is at hand as well

I have to respectfully disagree. The franchise can continue without Shepard, but it'll just be worse. I believe that the main problem is that in any future game:

• There will be no Quarians, Geth or Rachni.
• The reapers will never be seen again.
• All relays will be destroyed
• All characters will be part-synthetic (with the green eyes)
• There will be no Synthetics whatsoever.

That, I find to be a lot more of a dreary concept. There would be far too much "data requirement" for all of the parts of the ending to make it through as a import. You'd have to have two different sets of eyes for all characters, all implemented to work with your choice, Synthetic characters being replaced completely depending on your choice, and much, much more. They won't be able to make all these features importable and still be a good game.

But you know, focus on the present and all that, there may be not be a future game depending on how this goes.


Also, swifty is correct. Just because you share DNA doesn't stop endless conflicts from occuring. Agression, towards both foreign and domestic races, are part of all life. That's another one of MEs morals. Batarians fought humans, Turians fought themselves, Krogans fought rachni, Everyone fought Krogans. All of these were wars between two species, but then when one of those races is synthetic, it becomes a new thing for some reason. As long as two sentient beings are alive in the galaxy, someone will want someone dead. Doesn't matter if they're human, organic, or synthetic, they'll still want each other dead.

Modifié par GroverA125, 26 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[LadyMarisa]

Major Swift wrote...

lmao!!!! some bs happening somewhere
:lol:

Hormones suck. I had to sit through the Girl in Progress trailer waiting for that video and started tearing up. Thankfully then there was some BS to laugh at.

I haven't posted in weeks and weeks so you all probably think I quit coming here. I read this thread multiple times a day though, I just stopped posting unless I have something relevant to say,

I was talking to my boss yesterday who is also a gamer, or he would still be if he didn't have 5 kids and is enrolling in his Master's program (not to mention having to supervise our isolated section of the store ) and we got to talking about EA and ME3. Even he was well aware of the rEApers without knowing of this whole fiasco and even said BW used to be an amazing company. You'll think it's my words but my boss really did call EA the evil empire. I was telling him about the hype prior to the release, things like Hudsons statement about no ABC endings and then we got RGB. I told him about the cupcakes etc.

He was telling me about EA's handling of the NFL games (he's a big sports fan). How, years ago, (we're talking original xbox) their Madden game was absolutely terrible and it showed in their sales tanking horribly that year. How (I think he said y2k but I could be remembering wrong) put out a phenomenal game that year that completely crushed EA in sales. So rather than improve on their game and give fans what  would make them happy, EA bought the rights to the licensing so no one else could put out an NFL game. Sadly, this worked for them because although y2k put out a great sports game the next year (my boss's opinion, i'm not into sports) the sales were lackluster because it didn't have the shiny nfl names attached. Of course EA's sales went up even though the gameplay of their new game was just as horrible as the one that tanked the year before.

I really am sad that Bioware sold themselves to EA. It seems pretty obvious that the rEApers tactics are to throw money around to threaten any competition to them that is good. I understand it's difficult to fund a studio but looking back, I think I would rather pay MORE for a BW game than most other games if that's what it would have taken to keep them afloat.

Honestly, I'm done with giving EA my money regardless of how the EC turns out. I don't hate BW but even with DA3 I'll buy a used copy. I know I'm just one person, I don't expect that my decision really matters. I doubt even if every single retaker did the same thing that it would dent EA at all. I'll just feel better personally. And because I love Bioware, regardless of my delayed acquisition of games, I'll still be here on the BSN. =)

[Laterali]

He deleted the post saying;

"There would be no concept of machine or organic. There would just be life."

That to me was his worst justification. ME lore gushed on the diversity of the galaxy, that all the races could come together on the Citadel, and even though they were different, still have peace. It's a pretty big deal if you have Javik, it's the theme of like 80-90% of the dialogue with him.

Then to say, well everyone in the galaxy wouldn't even know any better if I turned them all against their will, it's probably ok. If they don't know to fight back or complain, it's for the best.

Changing everyone in the galaxy into the hybrid race, goes against everything stated in ME1-ME3.

[Siegdrifa]

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

No, he said syntheic vs organic is THE theme of mass effect.
It is what the fuss is all about since millions of years in the ME lore, it's the very reason the cycle existe.

[Major Swift]

Laterali wrote...

He deleted the post saying;

"There would be no concept of machine or organic. There would just be life."

That to me was his worst justification. ME lore gushed on the diversity of the galaxy, that all the races could come together on the Citadel, and even though they were different, still have peace. It's a pretty big deal if you have Javik, it's the theme of like 80-90% of the dialogue with him.

Then to say, well everyone in the galaxy wouldn't even know any better if I turned them all against their will, it's probably ok. If they don't know to fight back or complain, it's for the best.

Changing everyone in the galaxy into the hybrid race, goes against everything stated in ME1-ME3.

oh yeah your right thats the one, and yeah it does go against everything so how can that even remotely be "good"/something to work towards/a reward?

[Richard 060]

IMO, trying to skew the theme of 'everyone putting aside their differences to stand united against the Reapers - Geth included*' into some sweepingly generalised 'organics vs those pesky synthetics that will INEVITABLY destroy us' just seems like someone on the writing team trying too hard to Miss The Point...

*for all practical purposes, the Geth are just another race, regardless of being organic or synthetic. Just because they're not organic, doesn't automatically mean that they're a greater threat to the galaxy than any other faction. One could easily argue that the Krogan have posed the greater ongoing threat historically, yet we're given the choice to actually save them by curing the genophage, rather than just wiping them out. The Geth, on the other hand, have shown restraint, moderation, and a genuine desire to avoid both general hostilities and the risk of destroying themselves and/or their creators, yet we're supposed to just go along with the Catalyst's supposition that they, as synthetics, are ultimately a ticking time bomb that will doom us organics if not eliminated. It's nonsensical.


As for Mike Gamble's notion that synthesis is best because it takes organics and synthetics, and joins the two to form simply 'life', that's a frankly naively rose-tinted interpretation of what is tantamount to 'stealth racism':

Using race as an analogy, imagine if someone fused everyone on Earth to become one giant mixed-race society. The goal of which: there are no longer distinct groups, such as 'white people' or 'black people', but now simply 'people'.

...except here's the rub - what kind of ignorant bigot are you, if you couldn't simply see one group of 'people' before?

If homogenising everyone is the only way for you to perceive them as equals, then you need to do some pretty serious soul-searching, because you clearly have problems looking past the superficial differences in others.

[Laterali]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

No, he said syntheic vs organic is THE theme of mass effect.
It is what the fuss is all about since millions of years in the ME lore, it's the very reason the cycle existe.

What he actually said was "one of the themed(his miss-spelling)of ME is struggle of synthetics over organics. Synthesis resolves it."

I remember it well. I spent the next couple hours after he posted it stewing over it.

He never said it was the main theme, The Theme, or the only theme, just that it was infact a theme. It's his opinion that synthesis is the best choice. It's a fact struggle of synthetics and organics is a theme. I'm not going to go into why I disagree anymore. If anyone wants to see my points they can read the last few pages.

[Major Swift]

Richard 060 wrote...

IMO, trying to skew the theme of 'everyone putting aside their differences to stand united against the Reapers - Geth included*' into some sweepingly generalised 'organics vs those pesky synthetics that will INEVITABLY destroy us' just seems like someone on the writing team trying too hard to Miss The Point...

*for all practical purposes, the Geth are just another race, regardless of being organic or synthetic. Just because they're not organic, doesn't automatically mean that they're a greater threat to the galaxy than any other faction. One could easily argue that the Krogan have posed the greater ongoing threat historically, yet we're given the choice to actually save them by curing the genophage, rather than just wiping them out. The Geth, on the other hand, have shown restraint, moderation, and a genuine desire to avoid both general hostilities and the risk of destroying themselves and/or their creators, yet we're supposed to just go along with the Catalyst's supposition that they, as synthetics, are ultimately a ticking time bomb that will doom us organics if not eliminated. It's nonsensical.
*snip*

i always consider the geth as people just like anyone else, i don't care if they are technically synthetic, thats not the way i see them as/judge them as, even with synthesis new conflicts will arise, it doesn't matter if everyone has the same DNA when it comes to differing viewpoints and such

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[Phoenix NL]

I apologize if this has been posted already but this article here is the exact reason I have been worried and voicing my concerns about the On/Off campaign:

http://www.bigshinyr.../archives/39905

[Laterali]

Phoenix NL wrote...

I apologize if this has been posted already but this article here is the exact reason I have been worried and voicing my concerns about the On/Off campaign:

http://www.bigshinyr.../archives/39905

I saw that yesterday, and I agreed. The "official" responses given to Bioware from HTL or Retake, whatever movement it is now, always seems hostile.


Basically do what we say or else.

Just seems to enforce the entitled whiners arguement.