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[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

I apologize if this has been posted already but this article here is the exact reason I have been worried and voicing my concerns about the On/Off campaign:

http://www.bigshinyr.../archives/39905

it has worried me as well "I say we don’t need a campaign to let them know what’s at stake here. We
as the consumers have made our voices heard, and BioWare has  acknowledged that, now it’s time to wait and see what they craft to  address the ending of Mass Effect 3" i think is basically the stance that should be taken at this point.
most will start thinking this though when learning of it "Now we have this latest campaign, and now even I think it’s getting to be a bit ridiculous."

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[Phoenix NL]

Laterali wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

No, he said syntheic vs organic is THE theme of mass effect.
It is what the fuss is all about since millions of years in the ME lore, it's the very reason the cycle existe.

What he actually said was "one of the themed(his miss-spelling)of ME is struggle of synthetics over organics. Synthesis resolves it."

I remember it well. I spent the next couple hours after he posted it stewing over it.

He never said it was the main theme, The Theme, or the only theme, just that it was infact a theme. It's his opinion that synthesis is the best choice. It's a fact struggle of synthetics and organics is a theme. I'm not going to go into why I disagree anymore. If anyone wants to see my points they can read the last few pages.

This is not aimed at one person in particular but do you guys think it is possible as some point today that we stop tearing apart what is essentially Mike Gamble's personal opinion? Twitter is a crap medium to present your opinions on and even worse when you try to explain them. He has his own opinion for his own reasons and if you don't agree then fine but could we please stop wasting so much thread space dissecting an opinion that he is perfectly entitled to just as you are to yours. We want people from BioWare to have more communication with us but personally right now I can't blame them for not wanting to say anything because everything gets put under the knife here.

[richard_rider]

Phoenix NL wrote...
This is not aimed at one person in particular but do you guys think it is possible as some point today that we stop tearing apart what is essentially Mike Gamble's personal opinion? Twitter is a crap medium to present your opinions on and even worse when you try to explain them. He has his own opinion for his own reasons and if you don't agree then fine but could we please stop wasting so much thread space dissecting an opinion that he is perfectly entitled to just as you are to yours. We want people from BioWare to have more communication with us but personally right now I can't blame them for not wanting to say anything because everything gets put under the knife here.

To be honest, probably not. At this point in time, anything that anyone from BW says in a public medium is going to be dissected down the its molecules...people aren't letting this go

Any little statement could mean the difference between "the ending DLC", or "an ending DLC".

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

This is not aimed at one person in particular but do you guys think it is possible as some point today that we stop tearing apart what is essentially Mike Gamble's personal opinion? Twitter is a crap medium to present your opinions on and even worse when you try to explain them. He has his own opinion for his own reasons and if you don't agree then fine but could we please stop wasting so much thread space dissecting an opinion that he is perfectly entitled to just as you are to yours.

Yes, the thread space is reserved for my bad humour. And only for that, unless I feel the need to let everyone know what I am doing atm. 

Nice link btw, spot on why I'm too a bit iffy about Turn On/Off.

[Goodwood]

I'm with Phoenix here. Twit-ter gives me a headache.

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

Perhaps it was a misworded tweet, but I do remember him saying that all the themes revolve areound the central organics vs. synthetics one. Either way, a good chunk of the tweets are now missing, so I can't be sure.

[Siegdrifa]

Laterali wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Laterali wrote...

He never implied that the struggle of synthetics and organics was the main theme, just that it was a theme. It is. I don't have a problem with him saying it was a theme, it was a pretty major subplot. What I had a problem with is his justification for synthesis being the best choice and the obvious contradictions with Shepard's personality up until that point.

It seems he did some more house cleaning on his twitter page and removed the really bad posts.

No, he said syntheic vs organic is THE theme of mass effect.
It is what the fuss is all about since millions of years in the ME lore, it's the very reason the cycle existe.

What he actually said was "one of the themed(his miss-spelling)of ME is struggle of synthetics over organics. Synthesis resolves it."

I remember it well. I spent the next couple hours after he posted it stewing over it.

He never said it was the main theme, The Theme, or the only theme, just that it was infact a theme. It's his opinion that synthesis is the best choice. It's a fact struggle of synthetics and organics is a theme. I'm not going to go into why I disagree anymore. If anyone wants to see my points they can read the last few pages.

To be convinced, i would need him to say the words, like "organic and synthetic is not the them of ME".

Fact is (i'll talk about the end game, not his tweet), the ONLY reason why the cycle exist is because of synthetic vs organics. So yhea, ME story exist because the main event that make the thing spining IS synthetic vs organics.

[Major Swift]

Gamble just said he's glad to see some discussion even if it is against him lol, and yeah i think all that needs to be said on this particular tweet has been said, heres this for a laugh lol
edit: link has nothing twitter related in it if anyone is cautious lol, just a funny vid
double edit: "inferno bullet" part reminds me of what must happen to people in ME when i use that type of ammo lol

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

He just said that that diversity and working together is also a theme. but I think we really should stop picking this apart now. I know we have nothing better to do or go on...

[DJBare]

Major Swift wrote...

 heres this for a laugh lol
edit: link has nothing twitter related in it if anyone is cautious lol, just a funny vid

Great satire, and I love this comment

B. Guns are illegal in England because England is a police state where
you can go to jail for saying offensive things on twitter.

And no one has attempted to shoot me in some school or dark ally either.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

DJBare wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

 heres this for a laugh lol
edit: link has nothing twitter related in it if anyone is cautious lol, just a funny vid

Great satire, and I love this comment

B. Guns are illegal in England because England is a police state where
you can go to jail for saying offensive things on twitter.

And no one has attempted to shoot me in some school or dark ally either.

But surely as a 00 you are above such laws?
Oh god I hope your highlighting of that comment does not start a debate <_<

[Phoenix NL]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

He just said that that diversity and working together is also a theme. but I think we really should stop picking this apart now. I know we have nothing better to do or go on...

It's one thing if people want to discuss the merits or potential consequences of each ending or the themes that are represented within the ME universe. I just think we need to stop getting angry and tearing apart someone else's opinion.
Edit: He wasn't speaking on behalf of BioWare at that point, he was speaking for himself.

Modifié par Phoenix NL, 26 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[g_bassi13]

Phoenix NL wrote...

This is not aimed at one person in particular but do you guys think it is possible as some point today that we stop tearing apart what is essentially Mike Gamble's personal opinion? Twitter is a crap medium to present your opinions on and even worse when you try to explain them. He has his own opinion for his own reasons and if you don't agree then fine but could we please stop wasting so much thread space dissecting an opinion that he is perfectly entitled to just as you are to yours. We want people from BioWare to have more communication with us but personally right now I can't blame them for not wanting to say anything because everything gets put under the knife here.

The problem isn't with twitter itself per se, it's more the crap that Bioware is trying to throw at us. If they had anything positive to say, they'd have said it. The reason they give vague crap and the such is because they have nothing real to offer us. And when the producer of the game states his opinion on something we know they're revisiting, and says something that simply reinforces the problems that were already inherent, then people will get pissed. This is not just some random guy.

But anyways, I've had enough with twitter for now. (I only say now, because I know the next time something comes up on from these guys, it's bound to anger me again anyways.)

[Lestatman]

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

Modifié par Lestatman, 26 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[Siegdrifa]

I totaly agree with Mr Gamgle when he says destroy is may be not the best ending, because it is something totaly relative, as i would defend anypeople that liked the ending, because it doesn't have to make sens for something to really like it.

My problem is when some people try to justify them using hazardous fact and argument, does it stand straight ? nope, sorry, if i push here, it's shacking, and if i push here ... everything fall flat.

I find destroy / controle / synthesis making enough sens to have the right to be here, even if synthetsis is saren ending, and control is TIM ending. Destroy isn't THE only Shep ending in a way, it's Anderson ending,
Shepard is the player character, some agreed with TIM at certein point, some could see that Saren was making sens in a way, and some Shepard totaly match Anderson vision of duty. All 3 choices are Shepard valide.

[Major Swift]

Lestatman wrote...

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

well i figure its always been biased in that way lol, and i haven't done so myself as im incapable of doing a renegade playthrough:P(always paragon haha) but i had a feeling going all out renegade would net you far less in the war assests area

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[g_bassi13]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

He just said that that diversity and working together is also a theme. but I think we really should stop picking this apart now. I know we have nothing better to do or go on...

He can say that diversity and working together is a theme, but it completely contradicts his argument from earlier. That theme is the polar opposited of what is given by synthesis, which he said was best.

The way it stands is that the game did present Organics vs. Synthetics as the central theme to the game, and the "solutions" presented revolve around this and nothing else. They serve to solve this issue. What the hell in the ending plays on the diversity theme? It gets thrown out the window.

So as long as they keep pumping the Organics vs. Synthetics theme, and talk about  synthesis is awesome and totally effective, I don't expect any good to be coming out of the DLC.

[Lestatman]

Major Swift wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

well i figure its always been biased in that way lol, and i haven't done so myself as im incapable of doing a renegade playthrough:P(always paragon haha) but i had a feeling going all out renegade would net you far less in the war assests area

The reason I asked is and forgive if my memory is bad but I don't remember in ME2 that paragon or renegade made a difference to the ending as I still got the choice to either save or destroy the Collector Base.

[Atrocity]

Major Swift wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

well i figure its always been biased in that way lol, and i haven't done so myself as im incapable of doing a renegade playthrough:P(always paragon haha) but i had a feeling going all out renegade would net you far less in the war assests area

Yeah, but it all can be fixed via MP, if the ending was worth of playing countless hours of it. My N7 special team si around 1300 at the moment, and I've played MP just for fun. I still think MP was a good idea...  if only playing it mattered at all.

Modifié par Atrocity, 26 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Goodwood]

Lestatman wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

well i figure its always been biased in that way lol, and i haven't done so myself as im incapable of doing a renegade playthrough:P(always paragon haha) but i had a feeling going all out renegade would net you far less in the war assests area

The reason I asked is and forgive if my memory is bad but I don't remember in ME2 that paragon or renegade made a difference to the ending as I still got the choice to either save or destroy the Collector Base.

The save/destroy choice at the end of ME2 is independent of alignment.

[Major Swift]

Lestatman wrote...

The reason I asked is and forgive if my memory is bad but I don't remember in ME2 that paragon or renegade made a difference to the ending as I still got the choice to either save or destroy the Collector Base.

you remember correctly, could choose both ways regardless of the way you decided to go through the game as (saving it could be considered renegade, destroying is considered paragon, basically the way that played into it)

Modifié par Major Swift, 26 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[Lestatman]

@Atrocity Sadly I'm not a MP player just not interested in it and since I'm playing it on the PS3 I can't use a Save Editor (damn you Sony). Maybe I should try and mix some paragon choices with my Renegade and see if that gets me more Assests.

[Major Swift]

Atrocity wrote...
Yeah, but it all can be fixed via MP, if the ending was worth of playing countless hours of it. My N7 special team si around 1300 at the moment, and I've played MP just for fun. I still think MP was a good idea...  if only playing it mattered at all.

that reminds me, geth engineer is my new favorite, i love the geth turret and hunter mode powers (my N7 rating isn't that high though lol)

[g_bassi13]

Lestatman wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

Ok change of subject. I did 2 playthru's one paragon and one renegade. It seems I collected far less War Assests during my renegade playthru. Did anyone else find this and if so does that mean the game is biased towards you being paragon rather than renegade?

well i figure its always been biased in that way lol, and i haven't done so myself as im incapable of doing a renegade playthrough:P(always paragon haha) but i had a feeling going all out renegade would net you far less in the war assests area

The reason I asked is and forgive if my memory is bad but I don't remember in ME2 that paragon or renegade made a difference to the ending as I still got the choice to either save or destroy the Collector Base.

Yeah, you get to choose regardless. I always figured this was because it was supposed to establish a couple of major set up points that were necessary for ME3. One being that the technology would be potentially important against the reapers, and the other being that I thought this was supposed to set up whether or not we were aligning ourselves with Cerberus for the next game.

Neither of these things happened, and it turned into a giant throw away that makes a joke of the decisions we made in Mass Effect 2.

[DJBare]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...
Oh god I hope your highlighting of that comment does not start a debate <_<

It will slip into obscurity, as it should.