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[KMYash]

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Oh looks guys we found a special little unicorn to go with our rainbows, flowers, kittens and candy

[mass_zotz]

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Try a real response in the future pls.

[RazorrX]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The fish is not going to give you the special ending you want and you all know it. It is just going to be some silly easter egg.

I am pretty sure I grilled mine and made tacos from them for kelly.

[Tric]

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Uh! I actually cancelled my DD edition! Does that make me special??

[bowery tuff]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

The fish is not going to give you the special ending you want and you all know it. It is just going to be some silly easter egg.

I figured the same thing. Didn't one of the scans still allude to a secret ending though? Not saying there will be one, but there you go.

[Rdubs]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

http://www.escapistm...gon-Age-2-Sales

Was just thinking about DA2 and how bioware migth have learned from it. Maybe DA2 sold well, it did get reviews with as mush as 94/100. Nope, barely sold half as much as Dragon age origins.

If the endings we know of right now are true, then how likely to you think the same thing will happen? I still have faith that the game will be tons of fun right up intill the end. In fact i think many people who have never played the games before will think its great because they never connected to the characters and got emotionally attached to them.

SASHIMI FOR THE WIN!!!! 
Thank you!  Was wondering about that.  Look what we can learn:

1) Pre-order sales are an indicator of how much fans liked the previous game, not how good the game will do.  2/3 of DA2's week 1 sales were from pre-orders.
2) It took about 2 weeks for word of mouth to get out enough that hey, don't buy this.
3) With DA2, over 2/3 of the first 10 week's sales occurred in the first two weeks.  With DA:O, sales actually INCREASED as time went on due to word of mouth matriculating slowly.  Point is: bad word of mouth spreads like wildfire, good word of mouth takes time to get around.  DA:O had higher sales 8 weeks after launch than any other week except the launch week.

What does this mean for us?  
1) When a company is expecting people to complain about it and negative word of mouth to spread, they should do everything they can to hype it up and do whatever they can to try and get as many early sales as possible before negative word of mouth overcomes the marketing hype. 
2) When it appears sales are flagging, before cutting price companies will try and throw in more freebee's (free DLC / older products) to spur sales.  The sooner we see these "for a limited time only, get ME and ME2 with every new ME3!!!" promotions, the worse we know ME3 is selling.

Does anyone happen to have a history of, or even know off the top of your head, when the freebee's started rolling out with DA2?  I saw them come across all the time on facebook and would laugh at "this week's new DA2 freebee is", never thought I'd ever need to use it as a data point.

[DifferentD17]

SomethingSome wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Uh! I actually cancelled my DD edition! Does that make me special??

You get the Priiiiiiizzzzeeeee.

[RazorrX]

DifferentD17 wrote...

SomethingSome wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Uh! I actually cancelled my DD edition! Does that make me special??

You get the Priiiiiiizzzzeeeee.

he gets to grow old and die?

[Sashimi_taco]

Rdubs wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

http://www.escapistm...gon-Age-2-Sales

Was just thinking about DA2 and how bioware migth have learned from it. Maybe DA2 sold well, it did get reviews with as mush as 94/100. Nope, barely sold half as much as Dragon age origins.

If the endings we know of right now are true, then how likely to you think the same thing will happen? I still have faith that the game will be tons of fun right up intill the end. In fact i think many people who have never played the games before will think its great because they never connected to the characters and got emotionally attached to them.

SASHIMI FOR THE WIN!!!! 
Thank you!  Was wondering about that.  Look what we can learn:

1) Pre-order sales are an indicator of how much fans liked the previous game, not how good the game will do.  2/3 of DA2's week 1 sales were from pre-orders.
2) It took about 2 weeks for word of mouth to get out enough that hey, don't buy this.
3) With DA2, over 2/3 of the first 10 week's sales occurred in the first two weeks.  With DA:O, sales actually INCREASED as time went on due to word of mouth matriculating slowly.  Point is: bad word of mouth spreads like wildfire, good word of mouth takes time to get around.  DA:O had higher sales 8 weeks after launch than any other week except the launch week.

What does this mean for us?  
1) When a company is expecting people to complain about it and negative word of mouth to spread, they should do everything they can to hype it up and do whatever they can to try and get as many early sales as possible before negative word of mouth overcomes the marketing hype. 
2) When it appears sales are flagging, before cutting price companies will try and throw in more freebee's (free DLC / older products) to spur sales.  The sooner we see these "for a limited time only, get ME and ME2 with every new ME3!!!" promotions, the worse we know ME3 is selling.

Does anyone happen to have a history of, or even know off the top of your head, when the freebee's started rolling out with DA2?  I saw them come across all the time on facebook and would laugh at "this week's new DA2 freebee is", never thought I'd ever need to use it as a data point.

I just still can't believe that DA2 got scores from 8-9.5 out of 10 from major reviewers. It is crazy how that is possible now adays. I have no idea how good a game is now based from reviews, it is so hard to tell. The only website that has given me similar ideas to how i feel about games that I have played is giantbomb.com. Even their views on Mass Effect 3 are similar in that they said they didn't like how femshep and ashley have been changed and how the game has been dumbed down. 

They don't say it in their special me3 podcast with casey, but in their regular podcast. Although they did defend Areis a little bit in there but just ignore that because that pissed me off a bit. 

[Tric]

RazorrX wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

SomethingSome wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Uh! I actually cancelled my DD edition! Does that make me special??

You get the Priiiiiiizzzzeeeee.

he gets to grow old and die?

Hope it's not a vacation on Deliverance Planet

[DifferentD17]

RazorrX wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

SomethingSome wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Oh joy, another waaaah topic, let me prepare a typical poster response:

I will never buy a bioware or ea game again. Even though I already hate this game without playing it I will go buy it. You know that dlc I've been hating? Well I'm going to buy it. But their next game....they better watch out. I'm going to complain even more before I go to the midnight launch and buy it.

Uh! I actually cancelled my DD edition! Does that make me special??

You get the Priiiiiiizzzzeeeee.

he gets to grow old and die?

WE ALL GET THE PRIIIIIZZZZEEE!

You just get it earlier if you play ME3.

[RazorrX]

most professional game review sites now have a rating of 7-10. That is so that the big game companies will not boycot them with the next big game. The only real reviews I trust are fan reviews. I do like Yahtzee and Angry Joe though.

[DifferentD17]

RazorrX wrote...

most professional game review sites now have a rating of 7-10. That is so that the big game companies will not boycot them with the next big game. The only real reviews I trust are fan reviews. I do like Yahtzee and Angry Joe though.

Well 7s must be really bad games. lol  DA2 Metacritic is BS.

[Rdubs]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I just still can't believe that DA2 got scores from 8-9.5 out of 10 from major reviewers. It is crazy how that is possible now adays. I have no idea how good a game is now based from reviews, it is so hard to tell. The only website that has given me similar ideas to how i feel about games that I have played is giantbomb.com. Even their views on Mass Effect 3 are similar in that they said they didn't like how femshep and ashley have been changed and how the game has been dumbed down. 

They don't say it in their special me3 podcast with casey, but in their regular podcast. Although they did defend Areis a little bit in there but just ignore that because that pissed me off a bit. 

Two things:
1) As you know, massive conflict of interest.  It's why car magazines never publish a harsh review of any mainstream manufacturer's car, because those manufacturers advertise in those magazines.  As long as the video game studios are paying to advertise on that gaming site, or allowing them access to content (almost same thing), a negative review would be asking to lose that.
2)

Modifié par Rdubs, 03 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[evil-pineapples]

I've refrained from posting until today because I wanted to spend some time thinking about these endings.

The actual content of the endings doesn't bother me so much. Sure, I have problems with it, but I've determined that it's not what REALLY got under my skin.

My problem with these endings is that they don't take player choice into account. No matter what you've chosen, you WILL experience this ending. There's none of the variability that we were promised time and time again.

I'm sorely disappointed in this turn of events and, while I reserve all final judgment until I've played the game in its entirety, I don't anticipate purchasing another BioWare game in the foreseeable future.

[Blablabla79]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

...
I just still can't believe that DA2 got scores from 8-9.5 out of 10 from major reviewers. It is crazy how that is possible now adays. I have no idea how good a game is now based from reviews, it is so hard to tell. The only website that has given me similar ideas to how i feel about games that I have played is giantbomb.com. Even their views on Mass Effect 3 are similar in that they said they didn't like how femshep and ashley have been changed and how the game has been dumbed down. 
....

Do game magazines care about believable characters or a sensible story or only about the gameplay and the graphics ( to go a little hyperbole)?

[Canned Bullets]

Wow, just ****ing wow. I'm really pissed, I would be fine if this was an option for the people who suck at diplomacy but I've made save files with a paragon diplomatic Shepard and this happens. Great. Now the Galaxy has no chance of reuniting and society as a whole will go into a state of regression.

At least let us have a good ending for the people who actually tried diplomacy.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 03 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[xtorma]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Wow, just ****ing wow. I'm really pissed, I would be fine if this was an option for the people who suck at diplomacy but I've made save files with a paragon diplomatic Shepard and this happens. Great. Now the Galaxy has no chance of reuniting and society as a whole will go into a state regression.

At least let us have a good ending for hte people who actually tried diplomacy.

Bioware's answer to you is......NO

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...
OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?
Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.
I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Exactly, it defeats the point of even saving most characters. All it amounts to is they can a cruel ending so they can serve as assets to take back Earth and the universe gets messed up either way. Turns everyone into statistics and expects you to suddenly start caring more about Earth than everyone you've grown to care for along the way.
Since the ending is going to be a shade of cruel either way and you know Bioware will just explain it away if they ever do another game based after Mass Effect 3, it smashes the replay value into a million pieces.

There's no arguing your last point. I fail to see how it "clears the slate" or sets us up for a new game in the universe since they're just different enough that Bioware would be forced to pick one as "canon."
It's like Bioware decided that selflessness is the only definition of heroism. Audie Murphy and Nikolai Tesla were both heroes in their own right. The former didn't have to die to prove that, and the latter didn't have to sacrifice himself either to become one of the most influential figures in human history.

Exactly that's where it's so frustrating. They are just different enough that Bioware will have to really poorly explain it all away into one canon or literally pick a canon ending which they could and likely will do. The universe will just be there with it's own version of relays and no one will remember what happened.

So if that's gonna happen anyway, why weren't fans allowed to have this as a self contained story with the wildly different endings they wanted. Multiple text epilogues would have been better than this crap.

And the epilogue in itself suggests that if Bioware aren't planning a prequel, they are planning a future probably a good 1000 years later. Long enough to ensure everyone is dead. Long enough to wipe the slate clean. So again, we come back to this point, why did they limit people so hard in the endings?

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 03 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[Rdubs]

Seriously, anyone hoping for more than "you're in a room with 3 buttons, press one" is going to be in tears. Controllers sailing across rooms.

Now would be a good time to invest in, or invent, rubber controllers.

[Canned Bullets]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Bomb In My Pants wrote...
OMG, people, just play the game. Even if the ending does suck for you, does that mean the rest of it sucks?
Let go of your capitalistic ideals and give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.....please.

All right, I'm speaking for myself here... this is why the endings are an absolute deal breaker for me. I'm sure I'll find the game enjoyable. Great, even. But I'll go through the entire game thinking "who cares, I'm screwed anyway". I'll feel bitter. I don't think I'll bother romancing anyone, what's the point? Not to mention I probably won't replay the game for a veeeery long time.
I am however giving Bioware the benefit of doubt. I'm still in denial. I think it *very* surprising those are the only endings.

Exactly, it defeats the point of even saving most characters. All it amounts to is they can a cruel ending so they can serve as assets to take back Earth and the universe gets messed up either way. Turns everyone into statistics and expects you to suddenly start caring more about Earth than everyone you've grown to care for along the way.
Since the ending is going to be a shade of cruel either way and you know Bioware will just explain it away if they ever do another game based after Mass Effect 3, it smashes the replay value into a million pieces.

There's no arguing your last point. I fail to see how it "clears the slate" or sets us up for a new game in the universe since they're just different enough that Bioware would be forced to pick one as "canon."
It's like Bioware decided that selflessness is the only definition of heroism. Audie Murphy and Nikolai Tesla were both heroes in their own right. The former didn't have to die to prove that, and the latter didn't have to sacrifice himself either to become one of the most influential figures in human history.

Exactly that's where it's so frustrating. They are just different enough that Bioware will have to really poorly explain it all away into one canon or literally pick a canon ending which they could and likely will do. The universe will just be there with it's own version of relays and no one will remember what happened.

So if that's gonna happen anyway, why weren't fans allowed to have this as a self contained story with the wildly different endings they wanted. Multiple text epilogues would have been better than this crap.

I guess we should have saw this coming. Bioware is the Infinity Ward of RPGs now. 

[Rdubs]

Was just over on the Ashley forum, where I gladly lurked for a long time. Everyone there is like "I cant wait for an ending with me and her together!!!". If you think the anger here is bad - we are the people already INNOCULATED to the ending. Can you imagine what it will be like for the people who have no idea what's coming and are expecting something less grimdark? WE are going to be the ones calming THEM down.

[DeinonSlayer]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Exactly that's where it's so frustrating. They are just different enough that Bioware will have to really poorly explain it all away into one canon or literally pick a canon ending which they could and likely will do. The universe will just be there with it's own version of relays and no one will remember what happened.

So if that's gonna happen anyway, why weren't fans allowed to have this as a self contained story with the wildly different endings they wanted. Multiple text epilogues would have been better than this crap.

And the epilogue in itself suggests that if Bioware aren't planning a prequel, they are planning a future probably a good 1000 years later. Long enough to ensure everyone is dead. Long enough to wipe the slate clean. So again, we come back to this point, why did they limit people so hard in the endings?

If I ever do change my mind about buying this game, I'll either have to manufacture the deaths of Garrus, Tali and Shepard in my "canon" playthrough or just quit.

That's the problem with all of the LI's. You get to make your promises, establish that they expect to have a future together, be that little blue children or a house on Rannoch... only for it to be torn away from you in the last ten minutes of the 100+ hour trilogy in one of the most contrived fashions possible. Really, what would stop Shepard from offing him/herself in the "survival" ending once they find out what happened to the people they were fighting for all along?

The whole thing just makes you feel sick.

[curelightwounds]

Rdubs wrote...

Was just over on the Ashley forum, where I gladly lurked for a long time. Everyone there is like "I cant wait for an ending with me and her together!!!". If you think the anger here is bad - we are the people already INNOCULATED to the ending. Can you imagine what it will be like for the people who have no idea what's coming and are expecting something less grimdark? WE are going to be the ones calming THEM down.

... oh lord

[DifferentD17]

Rdubs wrote...

Was just over on the Ashley forum, where I gladly lurked for a long time. Everyone there is like "I cant wait for an ending with me and her together!!!". If you think the anger here is bad - we are the people already INNOCULATED to the ending. Can you imagine what it will be like for the people who have no idea what's coming and are expecting something less grimdark? WE are going to be the ones calming THEM down.

It's either that, or people being sad.