Aller au contenu

Photo

So we can't get the ending we want after all?


101103 réponses à ce sujet

#93326
DJBare

DJBare
  • Members
  • 6 510 messages

Bionic Weapon wrote...
Sorry that's all I could think of atm. I'll do better next time. :P

Anywho here it is:


www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-escapist-presents/5650-Senior-Creative-Director-EA-BioWare-Keynote


Well, thanks for legitimizing my own criticisms of games, I created a space exploration game on the TI-99/4A and shared it amongst my friends, so I'm both a game creator and publisher.

It's rubbish of course, people for the most part know what they like and do not like, their criticism of any medium is as legitimate as the people who create those mediums.

Morning folks.

Modifié par DJBare, 02 mai 2012 - 09:17 .


#93327
HITMAN629

HITMAN629
  • Members
  • 818 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

I'm always watching Image IPB


With good reason, as I have learned.

#93328
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I'm always watching Image IPB


With good reason, as I have learned.

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB

#93329
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I'm always watching Image IPB


With good reason, as I have learned.

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB

No, merely reinforcing that I am always keeping an eye on things..... and now you especially. I know what you did to your neighbour yesterday Tyion...... Image IPB

#93330
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

g_bassi13 wrote...

It's not incidental. But on the flip side, It's a lot of these same things are missing from ME3. (I haven't finished the review yet)

I know, I'm trying to be ironically hipsterish here ;)
And I wouldn't say they are missing from ME3 as much as ME3 fails to see the previously set situations through, for the most part. Genophage and Geth situation are the only ones that are really taken to a conclusion (insert ending negates all rant here), and even they have a certain rushed feeling to them. That being said, the Tuchanka mission is my favourite by far. 

I would have liked to see more inner conflict within the quarians and salarians for example. Ok, we used the majority of ME2 to make Mordin think about the genophage and the righteousness of it, but he's just one guy. Quarians do not like geth, other than that one admiral. You get why I'm not 100% satisfied with this? Of course the linearity of ME2 and 3 makes DAO-ish rich environment with countless interactions impossible, but I would've liked to hear some "I HATE THIS ****** WAR, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG, THIS IS STUPID" from Quarian marines or something. 

Most of the characters don't seem to act like real aliens would either, with the exception of Primarch (and Wrex etc of course). I believe his reaction, because he is a soldier, not a politician, and Palaven was screwed without Krogans. That would logically cause 'screw the rules, dalatrass, go hang' reaction. Most caharacters just seem oblivious to war against Reapers, judging by their actions and dialogue. That makes them feel somewhat 2-dimensional, since I really can't see their motivation to act the way they do. Unlike, let's say Loghain. I can relate to him, I understand why acts the way he does (because he's friends with Tim Curry :P), while not agreeing with him. I don't get that as much as I'd like with ME characters.

#93331
HITMAN629

HITMAN629
  • Members
  • 818 messages

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

#93332
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I'm always watching Image IPB


With good reason, as I have learned.

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB

No, merely reinforcing that I am always keeping an eye on things..... and now you especially. I know what you did to your neighbour yesterday Tyion...... Image IPB

Dont worry... He's fine... His chainsaw ran out of gas

#93333
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

HITMAN629 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

Atrocity did it too !Image IPB

#93334
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

Atrocity did it too !Image IPB

Well let's just avoid a repeat today shall we? Image IPB

#93335
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

Atrocity did it too !Image IPB

Well let's just avoid a repeat today shall we? Image IPB

Only if I can spend the rest of the day humming Still Alive Image IPB

#93336
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

Atrocity did it too !Image IPB

The difference being my dear, dear, Gentle Georgie, is that I am Rochester. I am evil, I am bad, I have so questionable taste it goes a full circle and comes out as refined again. It is expected from me, ergo, it is acceptable if I do it. Whereas you are setled with the very limiting cloak of 'a nice guy', thus the scorn will fall upon you :D

#93337
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages

Atrocity wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

It's not incidental. But on the flip side, It's a lot of these same things are missing from ME3. (I haven't finished the review yet)

I know, I'm trying to be ironically hipsterish here ;)
And I wouldn't say they are missing from ME3 as much as ME3 fails to see the previously set situations through, for the most part. Genophage and Geth situation are the only ones that are really taken to a conclusion (insert ending negates all rant here), and even they have a certain rushed feeling to them. That being said, the Tuchanka mission is my favourite by far. 

I would have liked to see more inner conflict within the quarians and salarians for example. Ok, we used the majority of ME2 to make Mordin think about the genophage and the righteousness of it, but he's just one guy. Quarians do not like geth, other than that one admiral. You get why I'm not 100% satisfied with this? Of course the linearity of ME2 and 3 makes DAO-ish rich environment with countless interactions impossible, but I would've liked to hear some "I HATE THIS ****** WAR, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG, THIS IS STUPID" from Quarian marines or something. 

Most of the characters don't seem to act like real aliens would either, with the exception of Primarch (and Wrex etc of course). I believe his reaction, because he is a soldier, not a politician, and Palaven was screwed without Krogans. That would logically cause 'screw the rules, dalatrass, go hang' reaction. Most caharacters just seem oblivious to war against Reapers, judging by their actions and dialogue. That makes them feel somewhat 2-dimensional, since I really can't see their motivation to act the way they do. Unlike, let's say Loghain. I can relate to him, I understand why acts the way he does (because he's friends with Tim Curry :P), while not agreeing with him. I don't get that as much as I'd like with ME characters.

Am I the only person who thinks Tim Curry could never be a nice guy because he makes the perfect villain?

#93338
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages
Rules of Conduct
Please remember this is a privately owned forum and you are an invited guest, posting is a privilege not a right.
Please do not embed or quote images, it might be seen as spam and then we run the risk of getting the thread closed
Please edit your quotes in order to reduce pyramids, this is very helpful to others reading.
Please do not bump the thread, it just takes a few minutes to think up meaningful content, the thread has a strong enough following to maintain it's presence on the forum.
Please do not use the term "troll" in any context, it is against forum rules to refer to anyone as a troll, if you are having problems with a member of these forums, use the report link or PM the moderators, but do it quietly, do not engage in arguments.

Above all, be respectful to each other.

Final hours app, only $2.99 information is power.

RetakeME3 Interview with Hold The Line!

Deviantart, The future of story telling has arrived

Mass Effect 3 Did you get what you paid for?, you decide.
An End Once and For All


Find below some important links you may want to follow.

Turn On / Off Bioware, Facebook and twitter campaign to take place starting the 28th of April.

Retake Mass Effect, HTL
MOvement survey map
Unify the groups
Calculate the size and reach of Retake
Survey regarding likes and dislikes about the ending
Audio Interview with the Organizer of RetakeME3
Retake Mass Effect Group on BSN ***Please Join***
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
Retake Mass Effect on Youtube
PAX East Platoon
Adamantium93, So about those "Insightful' and "Philosophical" endings...
HoldTheLine, A website who's main asset is a forum which has gone to great length to unify the community.
Retakemasseffect.org, This is a resource site with fun things like daily initiatives (like an N7 avatar generator) to get people involved.
Retake Mass Effect Banner Templates
Mission Statement Thread
Mass Effect 3 Resource Site with collection of statements and reports
Retake Mass Effect 3 Statistics

Polls
Is "clarification" DLC enough?
Are you happy with the DLC announcement?
How bad was the ending?
Since we're getting paid DLC, is it enough for Bioware to just "clarify"?
Poll About Your reaction on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC
[POLL] What exactly would you change with the ending?

Provide Bioware with your feedback
Bioware official DLC feedback thread
Leave your feedback on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement from 21st March 2012
Official ME3 Suggested Changes Feedback Thread

Bioware's Promises pre-game release and their PR response analysed
EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***

Are the options provided by the catalyst truly rewards?

Podcasts
This Week in Games 04/21/12 - Brent Weeks discusses ME3

Latest News/blogs
Forbes, Mass Effect 3 Fans Stage 'On/Off' Campaign
Random drabble from a country kid outside her comfort zone in the great Eastern megapolis
Forbes, Mass Effect 3 Ending 'Provoked A Bigger Fan Reaction Than Any Other' In Video Game History
IBT,'Mass Effect 3' Ending: Bioware, EA Guilty Of False Marketing? Legal Repercussions?
“Mass Effect 3 is Having a ‘Mass Effect’ on Its Consumers for Better or Worse”
Forbes, What Do the Fans Want? Talking with Retake Mass Effect
Game Front, Mass Effect 3 Ending: Change Could Have Empowered Game Writing
Kotaku Power 40
***Attention*** Mass Effect Survey Scam
Forbes, EA Shrugs Off Worst Company in America Title
Forbes, EA is the Worst Company in America, Now What?
BBC News, Mass Effect 3 to get extended ending at no cost to gamers
BioWare Announces Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut
Bioware blog,Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut
Forbes,Fans Victorious: Mass Effect 3 to Expand Ending with Free 'Extended Cut' DLC
Forbes, BioWare Announces Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut - But Is It A Victory For Fans?
"Mass Effect 3" Ending: Did Fan Protests Cause EA Stock Price To Drop?
Giant Bomb, Sticking the Landing
Forbes, The Real Precedent Being Set By Mass Effect 3 Protests
Forbes, Six Reasons Why Changing The Mass Effect 3 Ending Won't Threaten Its 'Artistic Integrity'
Killer Kittens from Mars, Charity sees the need, not the cause - German proverb
International Business Times, ‘Mass Effect 3’ Ending: Disappointed Fans Send Bioware 402 Cupcakes In Protest
California Literary Review, Reaping the Harvest of Poor Choices
Fprbes, Mass Effect 3 Protesters Sending Cupcakes to Bioware
Forbes, Why Most Websites Have to Make Nice to the Industry
Forbes, New Ending Setting Precedence?
Forbes, Commander Shepard Actor Mark Meer Weighs In On Mass Effect 3 Ending And DLC
Forbes on indoctrination theory
Forbes reports on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement
Forbes, Why Child's Play Stopped Taking Donations From Retake Mass Effect
Forbes, Further Thoughts on Mass Effect 3's Ending and Future DLC
Forbes, Mass Effect 3 And Corporate Influence Over Commercial Art
CVG, Mass Effect 3: 86% think BioWare blew the ending
BBC news technology section
Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
GotGame, The
customer is always right.

NY Daily News about Retake Mass Effect
The Telegraph in UK reporting about our movement
The wall street journal, Why the Ending of Mass Effect 3 Started a Furor
IBT, ‘Mass Effect 3’ Ending: ‘The New Yorker’ Weighs In On Fan Protests

Videos
Malufenix, Reignite - Mass Effect/Shepard Tribute Song
The Greatest Speech Ever Made
Retake campaign: Turn it on/Turn it off for Bioware
'Mass Effect 3' Ending FAIL ('The Wanted' Parody) - Terence Jay Music
Mass Effect 3 Hamster Ending
Angry Joe, Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC Discussion
G4TV, Feedback: Mass Effect 3 Ending Controversy
Mass Effect 3: Never ending nightmare.
Jim Sterling gets it!
he Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination Theory: Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage (SPOILERS)
Retake Mass Effect - A Character Tribute
I Am the Very Model of a Mass Effect Enthusiast (SPOILERS)
Global EDMONTON, Cupcake protest against Mass Effect 3
RetakeMassEffect - Fan Testimonies
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage (SPOILERS)
Archengeia number 1, Mass Effect 3 Ending: My Thoughts, What Could Have Been, What Should Have Been
Archengeia number 2, Mass Effect 3: My Thoughts, Continued; Potential, Illusive Man, and Cerberus
Archengeia, Q&A: The Answers
Archengeia number 3, Mass Effect 3: Responses to Comments, The Importance of Choice, and The Indoctrination Theory
Archengeia number 4, Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC, The Analogy, and The Choice We Face
Smudboy, Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction Part 1
Smudboy, Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction Part 2
Smudboy, Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction Part 3

Alernative endings created by fans
StElmo, Mass Effect 3 Alternative Cut Down Ending, Paragon Femshep
Mass Effect 3 "Extended Fan Cut"
Mass Effect 3 - Alernate ending, Liara as LI
Mass Effect 3: Re-Edited Ending
Mass Effect 3 - Alternate Fan Ending - Liara Version


Hold the line and your wallet!

#93339
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

You're still talking about that ? Image IPB


You have a very guilty conscience. No, Im not talking about that. I have been here awhile & Phoenix is the caretaker of the thread.

Atrocity did it too !Image IPB

The difference being my dear, dear, Gentle Georgie, is that I am Rochester. I am evil, I am bad, I have so questionable taste it goes a full circle and comes out as refined again. It is expected from me, ergo, it is acceptable if I do it. Whereas you are setled with the very limiting cloak of 'a nice guy', thus the scorn will fall upon you :D

*sigh* Dont tell me, you're trying to tease me like i teased you yesterday... By calling you a ''nice person''...

#93340
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

Am I the only person who thinks Tim Curry could never be a nice guy because he makes the perfect villain?

I most certainly doubt his motives whenever I see or hear him on my screen. 
But that does make a wonderful contrast in DAO. It also has very much to do with voices, since Loghain has that soldierish, maybe paranoid, but not corrupt voice, whereas... Well, let's just say I loved Curry in Discworld movie too, he made a perfect wizard.

And yet I never thought for a moment that even Howe was evil, just ****** dead if I ever saw him after he murdered my family. I think Nathaniel summed it pretty well in Awakening: "Curse my father and his idiot ambition. He lost everything for us, didn't he?"

Nothing evil, just a bitter, if a bit greedy, old man who played the political game with too high stakes and lost. That's human and real. Unlike the one-eyed 'nothing is questioned by anyone' attitude of Quarians or Salarians.
I need to reinstall DAO on my PC. Really need to.

#93341
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

The difference being my dear, dear, Gentle Georgie, is that I am Rochester. I am evil, I am bad, I have so questionable taste it goes a full circle and comes out as refined again. It is expected from me, ergo, it is acceptable if I do it. Whereas you are setled with the very limiting cloak of 'a nice guy', thus the scorn will fall upon you :D

*sigh* Dont tell me, you're trying to tease me like i teased you yesterday... By calling you a ''nice person''...

Oh not teasing. Just logic. I insist playing the role of Rochester, and will not be convinved otherwise, you insist on painting me as endearing, and apparently will not be convinved otherwise, thus you are Georgie. Easy. ^_^

#93342
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

The difference being my dear, dear, Gentle Georgie, is that I am Rochester. I am evil, I am bad, I have so questionable taste it goes a full circle and comes out as refined again. It is expected from me, ergo, it is acceptable if I do it. Whereas you are setled with the very limiting cloak of 'a nice guy', thus the scorn will fall upon you :D

*sigh* Dont tell me, you're trying to tease me like i teased you yesterday... By calling you a ''nice person''...

Oh not teasing. Just logic. I insist playing the role of Rochester, and will not be convinved otherwise, you insist on painting me as endearing, and apparently will not be convinved otherwise, thus you are Georgie. Easy. ^_^

Hmm... Oh well, Im still gonna say that you're a nice person Image IPB At least until you prove me otherwise... Image IPB

#93343
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

Tyion133 wrote...
Hmm... Oh well, Im still gonna say that you're a nice person Image IPB At least until you prove me otherwise... Image IPB

A moment then if you please Georgie, I shall make some phone calls. To COPYDAN, KODA, NCB and Gramex to begin with, and then we shal see where that gets us <3

#93344
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages
On a ME3 related note - did any of the PS3 players here take part in the MP weekend?

#93345
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
Hmm... Oh well, Im still gonna say that you're a nice person Image IPB At least until you prove me otherwise... Image IPB

A moment then if you please Georgie, I shall make some phone calls. To COPYDAN, KODA, NCB and Gramex to begin with, and then we shal see where that gets us <3

Well... It might get us here... Image IPB

#93346
HITMAN629

HITMAN629
  • Members
  • 818 messages
Evil  needs not to prove itself to the masses, it simply is.

#93347
Atrocity

Atrocity
  • Members
  • 1 774 messages

HITMAN629 wrote...

Evil  needs not to prove itself to the masses, it simply is.

Hmm, ok, I change the general nature of this phonecalling from evil to nasty. Thus everyone are happy.

#93348
Phoenix NL

Phoenix NL
  • Members
  • 3 578 messages
So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

#93349
Tyion133

Tyion133
  • Members
  • 1 166 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

Well... I kinda want to see what the women of pretty much all the races look like...

Modifié par Tyion133, 02 mai 2012 - 10:12 .


#93350
Ajna

Ajna
  • Members
  • 5 928 messages

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?


I can answer that!  The same as you! :D